Andy Murray Fans Thread

[Horsa]

The only logic explanation to this fact is that you all are his mother.

Yeah, right! I'll believe you. Thousands wouldn't.

 

[Moxie]

The only logic explanation to this fact is that you all are his mother.

Or, maybe, some of us really think he's basically the funniest, cleverest player out there, in pressers, and enjoy watching him problem-solve while he plays.

 

[Jelenafan]

My thing with Andy is sort of a ying /yang dichotomy. His on court persona can be surly and gloom/doom all the time which really doesn’t warm me up to him.

Off the court, he can be witty, funny and downright insightful /introspective about matters.

My wife likes him for the fact that even very “nice” male tennis players can be raging sexists ( Take Janko T. who just or is about to retire), whereas Andy by words and action is that rare commodity; a male tennis player who can articulate respect and a welcoming spirit towards feminism and women in the world of tennis. Being coached by his mother as a child and then even having the balls to have a female coach as a top player ( Amelie Mauresmo) , Andy certainly to me has some likable and endearing traits.

 

[Ricardo]

My thing with Andy is sort of a ying /yang dichotomy. His on court persona can be surly and gloom/doom all the time which really doesn’t warm me up to him.

Off the court, he can be witty, funny and downright insightful /introspective about matters.

My wife likes him for the fact that even very “nice” male tennis players can be raging sexists ( Take Janko T. who just or is about to retire), whereas Andy by words and action is that rare commodity; a male tennis player who can articulate respect and a welcoming spirit towards feminism and women in the world of tennis. Being coached by his mother as a child and then even having the balls to have a female coach as a top player ( Amelie Mauresmo) , Andy certainly to me has some likable and endearing traits.

how did that work out hiring Mauresmo? his real achievements all came at the hands of Lendl, who was the alpha male. That indicates what he really needed, all that crap about feminism did nothing for him.....or any other player.

 

[Moxie]

how did that work out hiring Mauresmo? his real achievements all came at the hands of Lendl, who was the alpha male. That indicates what he really needed, all that crap about feminism did nothing for him.....or any other player.

Andy Murray has had 9 male coaches, during which most of their tenures he did little or won MS. When he was coached by Mauresmo, he had some of his best Major finishes, best string of them, arguably, and he won Wimbledon a month after they parted ways in 2016, so you might say she had a hand in that one. They weren't an organic fit, but she shepherded him during some high-level times. Don't like that he had a female coach? What about all of those men that did nothing with his talent?

 

[isabelle]

Andy Murray has had 9 male coaches, during which most of their tenures he did little or won MS. When he was coached by Mauresmo, he had some of his best Major finishes, best string of them, arguably, and he won Wimbledon a month after they parted ways in 2016, so you might say she had a hand in that one. They weren't an organic fit, but she shepherded him during some high-level times. Don't like that he had a female coach? What about all of those men that did nothing with his talent?

for me it's Lendl who helped Sir Andy the best, thanks to him the Scottish warrior won several GS and reached n°1, don"t think Mauresmo was a good coach for him

 

[Moxie]

for me it's Lendl who helped Sir Andy the best, thanks to him the Scottish warrior won several GS and reached n°1, don"t think Mauresmo was a good coach for him

I have no problem with that, and I don't think Mauresmo was a good personality fit, for sure. She's said as much. But Ricardo just has to single her out to slag off because he's hates women, poor sad thing.

 

[Ricardo]

I have no problem with that, and I don't think Mauresmo was a good personality fit, for sure. She's said as much. But Ricardo just has to single her out to slag off because he's hates women, poor sad thing.

Oh sexist card again, typical sad girl who whinges the world is not fair. Name me one female coach who does much for a top ATP player...

 

[Ricardo]

Andy Murray has had 9 male coaches, during which most of their tenures he did little or won MS. When he was coached by Mauresmo, he had some of his best Major finishes, best string of them, arguably, and he won Wimbledon a month after they parted ways in 2016, so you might say she had a hand in that one. They weren't an organic fit, but she shepherded him during some high-level times. Don't like that he had a female coach? What about all of those men that did nothing with his talent?

Actually name me female coach successful in top ATP or WTA players? I actually have no prob for the puss to hook up to Mauresmo at all, but don’t tell me gender equality means jack. This sport is invented and popularised by men, top players and coaches are men and women just live off that.....WTA itself is a product by some guy, created so women can share some wealth. Female players would be too outclassed otherwise in a level field, if this fact you don’t like then you should watch some other sport women excel on their own.

 

[Ricardo]

for me it's Lendl who helped Sir Andy the best, thanks to him the Scottish warrior won several GS and reached n°1, don"t think Mauresmo was a good coach for him

How dare you say that to Moxie? The female coach obviously did the best, no evidence required...she already claimed that Murray had some of the best Major finishes with Amelie. Truth doesn’t matter for Moxie ever, as long as she can talk up the females.

 

[Jelenafan]

I have no problem with that, and I don't think Mauresmo was a good personality fit, for sure. She's said as much. But Ricardo just has to single her out to slag off because he's hates women, poor sad thing.

Ouch.
Obviously someone I shouldn’t enter into discussions with, thanks for the heads up Moxie!

 

[Moxie]

Actually name me female coach successful in top ATP or WTA players? I actually have no prob for the puss to hook up to Mauresmo at all, but don’t tell me gender equality means jack. This sport is invented and popularised by men, top players and coaches are men and women just live off that.....WTA itself is a product by some guy, created so women can share some wealth. Female players would be too outclassed otherwise in a level field, if this fact you don’t like then you should watch some other sport women excel on their own.

You go wildly off the point to push your own agenda, while failing to address the other male coaches Murray had that garnered far less in the way of results than Mauresmo. I'm not even talking about gender equality here. But if you want to talk about women that have pushed the popularity of tennis, we can. If you pretend that men have never glided on the coattails of the women in this sport, that tennis hasn't had big female stars and rivalries that have pushed up its viewing numbers, we can arm-wrestle over that.

 

[Moxie]

Ouch.
Obviously someone I shouldn’t enter into discussions with, thanks for the heads up Moxie!

Feel free to engage if you like, but know that misogyny is his primary drive around here (see above,) and it's not just me who says so. A lot of male posters have called him out on it, as well.

 

[Jelenafan]

Feel free to engage if you like, but know that misogyny is his primary drive around here (see above,) and it's not just me who says so. A lot of male posters have called him out on it, as well.

HAh, I’m a married man who thinks my wife is both smarter and has more common sense than I do , so no thank you!

 

[Ricardo]

Feel free to engage if you like, but know that misogyny is his primary drive around here (see above,) and it's not just me who says so. A lot of male posters have called him out on it, as well.

Here we go again, you are cheap as Moxie...anytime your bs gets countered that doesn’t favour feminism, you pull out the buzz word out of your private part. Since you only shine bright light on women while ignoring the fact that a man made Murray top, should I go with that you hate men, use another buzz word ‘misandry’? All that says is your failure in your career or life in general, that men are at fault for your incompetence.....typical of feminist losers, just look at what articles they write on media

 

[isabelle]

Feel free to engage if you like, but know that misogyny is his primary drive around here (see above,) and it's not just me who says so. A lot of male posters have called him out on it, as well.

girl's power in action...go girl go !!

 

[Ricardo]

girl's power in action...go girl go !!

No prob with girl power, but who is willing to bend the fact and say Mauresmo served Andy best? Feminism screws girls head, make them blind to see the truth so they can claim empty victory. When proven wrong, they say you hate women. Keep on believing, way to reduce brain cells!

 

[mrzz]

My wife likes him for the fact that even very “nice” male tennis players can be raging sexists ( Take Janko T. who just or is about to retire), whereas Andy by words and action is that rare commodity: a male tennis player who can articulate respect and a welcoming spirit towards feminism and women in the world of tennis.

You worded it carefully, but still the opposition between "sexist" and someone who has a welcoming spirit towards feminism is misleading. First, "feminism" as we debated a lot around here, can mean a lot of different things. I actually don't like the term "sexist", so let's trade it for misogynist (which is I guess what you meant). Does anyone who is not a feminist (whatever that means) is a misogynist?

Anyway, about Murray: what I see is that he echoes the politically correct discourse. Nowadays this is a marketing approach, used by the very same companies that sponsor him. In a sense he is only in line with the business model. Since I do not know him personally, I have zero evidence of how he really treats women. The only thing is that he is an advocate for equal pay, which only affects an extremely small (and privileged) group.

By the way, I read once an article that quoted a Twitter spat between him and Stakhovsky about equal pay. As is always the case, advocates for equal pay quickly lose the discussion, and he turned to ad hominem arguments, since he was talking to a player with far less titles, accomplishments and audience than him. So, in the only situation I saw him arguing with someone that, in a particular way, was in a weaker position than his own, he was a complete and absolute douche, and that while trying to sustain to supposedly "nice guy" approach. I disliked him instantly there.

On top of that he is the kind of player that often pretends to be injured on court, also something else that does not rhyme with "Mr. Nice Guy", so, from what I have seen so far, I have zero sympathy for the guy, to the say the least.

Oh, and before I forget: peak Wawrinka >> peak Murray

 

[Jelenafan]

You worded it carefully, but still the opposition between "sexist" and someone who has a welcoming spirit towards feminism is misleading. First, "feminism" as we debated a lot around here, can mean a lot of different things. I actually don't like the term "sexist", so let's trade it for misogynist (which is I guess what you meant). Does anyone who is not a feminist (whatever that means) is a misogynist?

Anyway, about Murray: what I see is that he echoes the politically correct discourse. Nowadays this is a marketing approach, used by the very same companies that sponsor him. In a sense he is only in line with the business model. Since I do not know him personally, I have zero evidence of how he really treats women. The only thing is that he is an advocate for equal pay, which only affects an extremely small (and privileged) group.

Completely agree with you in that none of us actually know these players, so our impressions/likes/dislikes are based on what we glean from their public personas.

Since neither one of us can prove/disprove our impressions of these players it’s a crapshoot.

Like your position that any advocates for equal pay always lose the argument, well, since I don’t personally know you I can’t really say how that translates personally to you, but it doesn’t mean I can’t form opinions based upon what you say.

And vice versa.

 

[Ricardo]

You go wildly off the point to push your own agenda, while failing to address the other male coaches Murray had that garnered far less in the way of results than Mauresmo. I'm not even talking about gender equality here. But if you want to talk about women that have pushed the popularity of tennis, we can. If you pretend that men have never glided on the coattails of the women in this sport, that tennis hasn't had big female stars and rivalries that have pushed up its viewing numbers, we can arm-wrestle over that.

I don’t think it deserves argument, for if there were not the men there wouldn’t have been this sport, period. Then there wouldn’t even be this talk about female ‘stars’....they are the add ons, to a already well designed and successful sport.....which without them would do just fine. There is no sport of that league invented/popularised by women, fact. Now that doesn’t mean it’s my preference that women don’t play, as sport brings a lot to their well being. That doesn’t mean though, one can start twisting facts.

Lendl lifted Murray to a GS champ and Mauresmo reduced him to also rans before Lendl lifted him again. Coaches before Lendl took him from nobody to also ran (slam finals). You are incapable of being fair or factual, as usual, then whine when feminists don’t get respect. Btw I have never arm wrestled with girls, literally, as it only makes them look bad.