2022 Men's Wimbledon Championships

[MargaretMcAleer]

So, in your opinion, who will go the furthest? Just curious, as this is a running debate. I think Paul is the most gifted. Tiafoe the most naturally talented. However I think Fritz is the best trained. So what do Tennis Frontier members think? I am not that educated on this Forum to create a poll and I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators but I am curious as to what everyone thinks...

I think of all the Americans Fritz is the most talented and has a good solid grass game

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I think Fritz is the most experienced at this stage. He has the most solid results of the Americans this year.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I don’t know that I would speak to Nick directly for fear of what diarrhea of the mouth would say.

Off court Nick is quite shy, he uses a lot of bravado on court,let me tell you

 

[Moxie]

So, in your opinion, who will go the furthest? Just curious, as this is a running debate. I think Paul is the most gifted. Tiafoe the most naturally talented. However I think Fritz is the best trained. So what do Tennis Frontier members think? I am not that educated on this Forum to create a poll and I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators but I am curious as to what everyone thinks...

You should make a thread and a poll! That's a great idea. It's very easy and fun. PM me or one of the mods to explain.

 

[Moxie]

Wow. Badboy Nick wins over the Greek heartthrob. I am a bit surprised, not that he is any less talented. I thought one bad call, one bad umpire decision and Nick would implode. That was not the case and GOOD FOR HIM. I am NOT a fan of bad behavior, not on a tennis court or in life. But he held it together, and to be honest, I am a bit surprised he won! Good for Nick!

Did you watch it? I was entertaining for many reasons. In terms of the mental, it seemed that Nick, being used to his own madness, got into Stefanos' head, then he just chilled right out, and let Tsitsipas do the imploding. I'm not sure how much of it was gamesmanship, but it's not like the Greek is innocent of it.

 

[Jelenafan]

So, in your opinion, who will go the furthest? Just curious, as this is a running debate. I think Paul is the most gifted. Tiafoe the most naturally talented. However I think Fritz is the best trained. So what do Tennis Frontier members think? I am not that educated on this Forum to create a poll and I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators but I am curious as to what everyone thinks...

Its almost a trick question for me because while I think that Taylor Fritz is the best of this quartet, he could face Nadal in the Qtrs.

Whereas based on both the Draw & their possible opponents, both Francis Tiafoe & Tommy Paul have a better shot to advance to the Semifinals. So i would give the edge to Tommy Paul.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Did you watch it? I was entertaining for many reasons. In terms of the mental, it seemed that Nick, being used to his own madness, got into Stefanos' head, then he just chilled right out, and let Tsitsipas do the imploding. I'm not sure how much of it was gamesmanship, but it's not like the Greek is innocent of it.

If the Young Greeks ball had hit a spectator in the crowd he would have been defaulted?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Just finished watching Rafa's match BTW
Rafa apologized for calling Sonego at the net in his press conference.Quite frankly compared to the drama in Nick K and the Young Greeks match is was a tiny hiccup lol! apparently this wasnt the first time a player has asked the umpire to speak to Sonego about his 'hindrance grunting'.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

If the Young Greeks ball had hit a spectator in the crowd he would have been defaulted?

Yes, definitely, a default would have been the only choice by officials. Luckily for Tsitsi, it didn't happen so they court officials had a choice how harsh to punish the recklessness, and they judged very reasonably IMO by allowing the match to continue for the benefit of paying public who wanted to see the action. But the organisers should review it & much harsher financial (or otherwise) penalty applied to discourage the reckless behaviour.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yes, definitely, a default would have been the only choice by officials. Luckily for Tsitsi, it didn't happen so they court officials had a choice how harsh to punish the recklessness, and they judged very reasonably IMO by allowing the match to continue for the benefit of paying public who wanted to see the action. But the organisers should review it & much harsher financial (or otherwise) penalty applied to discourage the reckless behaviour.

Hi Chris, agree with your thoughts, the organisers should review it and a much harsher penalty or fine be applied to reckless behavior., before there is a really bad incident, remember Novak and the lines woman at the USO, thank goodness she was okay....still.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Did you watch it? I was entertaining for many reasons. In terms of the mental, it seemed that Nick, being used to his own madness, got into Stefanos' head, then he just chilled right out, and let Tsitsipas do the imploding. I'm not sure how much of it was gamesmanship, but it's not like the Greek is innocent of it.

Tsitsi is mentally weak. He started to "melt down" under "bullying" behaviour by Kyrgios, and hitting crowd, even admitting he started smashing into "bully's body" rather than into a place in a court to get the point. That's an admission of mental weakness, nothing else. He's the first one to admit such weakness, others don't say anything like lt.
Tennis is a hard game, both physically and mentally: sometimes a "bully" on the other side can exert you mentally but you have to stay focused no matter what. And Kyrgios being mentally one of the smartest players there, can play a role of a "bully" very well if he senses signs mental weakness on the other side.

 

[Fiero425]

Its almost a trick question for me because while I think that Taylor Fritz is the best of this quartet, he could face Nadal in the Qtrs.

Whereas based on both the Draw & their possible opponents, both Francis Tiafoe & Tommy Paul have a better shot to advance to the Semifinals. So i would give the edge to Tommy Paul.

Watching repeats! Coco's gone along with "my hope" in Iga, but you can't win them all! She tried, overwhelming the tour by taking 6 straight tourneys, including her 2nd FO! Kygrios just dropped the TB! He literally owns "Jared Leto" Tsitsipas only dropping a useless Laver Cup exhibition match IIRC! Reminds me of Novak dropping 2 or 3 matches to allow "The World" to catch up and stay in it! "Europe" has the stars and the talent even dragging along and featuring old man Fed! Poor Borg is just a cartoon cutout clapping for the home team! France or Spain alone can take on The World and probably survive! The "best of the rest" are sad and inconsistant! I love some out there like Fritz, Shapo, Korda, & Kygrios, but we all know they won't be able to keep it going for any real length of time! We've been so spoiled by the excellence of Fedalovic for 2 decades! They'll have nice runs, but inexplicably start dropping 1st round matches to Qualifiers and WC's! We can only hope it winds up differently!

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Hi Chris, agree with your thoughts, the organisers should review it and a much harsher penalty or fine be applied to reckless behavior., before there is a really bad incident, remember Novak and the lines woman at the USO, thank goodness she was okay....still.

Yep remember that. And I still think they treated Joker lightly with financial penalty much smaller that that we've seen on Kyrgios, for example. They should have treated Joker like Alex the immigration minister did here: ban him from playing in another USO, or something of equal gravity. Didn't really happen, so Joker will not change his behaviour and we may see another similar incident from his racquet in the future...

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Given how strong Kyrgios looks in this Wimbledon (both physically and mentally, transforming himself into a "bully") the only regret I have is that he's not on Joker side of the draw, and eventually Nadal will have to face the bully in semifinal. It'd be much better if Joker faced Kyrgios (and being beaten by him) instead.

 

[Moxie]

Tsitsi is mentally weak. He started to "melt down" under "bullying" behaviour by Kyrgios, and hitting crowd, even admitting he started smashing into "bully's body" rather than into a place in a court to get the point. That's an admission of mental weakness, nothing else. He's the first one to admit such weakness, others don't say anything like lt.
Tennis is a hard game, both physically and mentally: sometimes a "bully" on the other side can exert you mentally but you have to stay focused no matter what. And Kyrgios being mentally one of the smartest players there, can play a role of a "bully" very well if he senses signs mental weakness on the other side.

Definitely agree that the Greek is mentally weak. He should have been fully prepared that this was going to be a long, tough match, and that there were going to be theatrics. If he expected the meltdown to come from Kyrgios' side, then that is being underprepared. To call it "bullying" after the fact is, frankly, a cry-baby move. He let Nick get under his skin and affect his tennis, and then all Nick had to do was get out of his way while he self-imploded. And let's face it, he's self-imploded and lost matches over less. He's a top 10 player and he had Kyrgios across the net. How did he think this day was going to go?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Battle of the youngsters tomorrow Sunday,

J.Sinner vs C.Alcaraz 2nd day match on CC

Followed by,

N.Djokovic vs The Red Baron aka Tim Van Rijthoven.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Battle of the youngsters tomorrow Sunday,

J.Sinner vs C.Alcaraz 2nd day match on CC

Followed by,

N.Djokovic vs The Red Baron aka Tim Van Rijthoven.

That's Monday for us, Margaret. While the rest of the world is sleeping ATM, let's ponder a bit about Tim's chances for an upset... Why is he called "Red Baron"? Because he's a clay specialist? IF he's not "Green Baron" then sadly he's unlikely to make a dent here...

 

[Chris Koziarz]

Everyone is labeling Kyrgios a villain in this tournament (especially native Wimby commentators) and hardly anyone is praising his high level of play (except maybe few down under fellows here, including myself) what's wrong with you people who concentrate on bad things only? Nick is a bad boy, as he has and will always be. He will be using bad language & arguing with umps all the time. That's his problem we know that, we've been rehearsing that so many times. And Nick will not improve his temper if we keep punching him for it. Maybe praise him instead, that despite bad feelings, he didn't melt but held on and won!
In the context of the whole match with Tsi: who of the two were "worse" evil and deserves more condemnation? The only bad thing Kyrgios did was threatening the officials he won't play if they do not default Tsi. That was bullying at the officials, not at Tsi who took it personally due to his weak mind.
On the other hand, Tsi did:
- hit the ball at the spectator,
- then at the score screen,
- then later admitted to smash at the "bully"
So 3:1 for Tsi in this infamous "unsportsman;s game". Yet all criticism concentrates on Kyrgios and pretty much not a word on Tsi... Again, what's wrong with you people? Because Tsi was a subject of alleged "bullying"? Wake up people, and see the forest on Tsi rather than just a single tree on Kyrgios! I'm waiting what penalties organisers are going to announce on both. Will they see it objectively and impose at least 3 times more penalties on Tsi per the above (should be more for physical danger of hitting the spectator)? Or, sadly, are they going to parrot the ignorant journalists who are used to Kyrgios being the poster boy of bad behaviour?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

That's Monday for us, Margaret. While the rest of the world is sleeping ATM, let's ponder a bit about Tim's chances for an upset... Why is he called "Red Baron"? Because he's a clay specialist? IF he's not "Green Baron" then sadly he's unlikely to make a dent here...

LOL Chris, I always have to remember we are a day ahead, Tim is a dutchman, someone on Twitter gave him the nick name of the Red Baron and it has just stuck, no he is not a clay specialist, Tim loves grass, his favorite surface.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sad news Martina Navratilova has tested positive for COVID, wishing Martina a speedy recovery
Martina has been on many matches this week commentating, she was on Rafa's match just yesterday,
Love hearing her comments on all the players, great knowledge of the game, dosent over comment on the matches she is on..