2019 Men’s Wimbledon Final: Novak Djokovic vs. Roger Federer

[brokenshoelace]

If any of the big 3 had Isner's serve they would probably never lose a match, at least not one off clay..

They wouldn't, not even on clay.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Enough.of Roddick's overrated serving stats..all you have to do is stand in front of it . even with a open face Continental FH grip..to block it back..

People shouldn't be allowed to be this stupid. Like, I actually feel bad for you.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Roger's problem, preventing him from still being truly elite, isn't his backhand per se, it's his now relatively poor defense particularly moving to the forehand. Fed can't transition from defense to offense well anymore so once Djokovic got him on the move the point was usually over. .

There's so much idiocy on these forums that it really is refreshing reading decent tennis analysis. Implying that Roger isn't "truly elite" aside, this is a very astute observation. 100% co-signed.

 

[Front242]

DJokovic is 3-0 in Wimbledon finals with Federer in what many claim is Federer’s best surface, that’s enough to elicit emotional fluff.

I find it hard to consider someone the greatest on a surface when you lose all three finals you play with one of your greatest rivals....

Wait till Novak is almost 38 and get back to us. He was well past it in all the finals he lost. He could even have won yesterday if he hadn't made a total mess of things but
The fact that a nearly 38 year old had 2 match points against a 32 year world number 1 in his prime says more about the lack of game of the younger guy than the older one the more you think about it.

 

[Mastoor]

[QUOTE="Mastoor, post: 393103, member: 19]

1. Improved the points difference with #2 to 4,470 points and came to #1 position in ATP race

Certainly looks like he’ll match Sampras open tennis record of six years ranked # 1 at YE.[/QUOTE]

I hope so. In 8 weeks he will overtake Connors, in 10 Lendl, that is given, but then he will need another 16 weeks to surpass Sampras.

 

[brokenshoelace]

NO, that 40-15 game wasn't as bad as you make it out. This wasn't a choke, far from it.

I really don't see how anyone could have watched that fifth set and not notice Fed being visibly nervous, shaky and safe with his shot selection and extremely panicky with his decision making (bad drop shots, net approaches, etc...). This was obvious, especially behind his own serve (he played a little more freely on return games). On those match points you could tell he was really hoping his serve wouldn't come back. But yeah, this was not a choke? Give me a break.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Errors in 3 TBs-

Federer-11
Djokovic-0

That's the stat I came to post and the most telling one.

 

[Front242]

Nadal definitely choked in 2012. It wasn't just a "measly" point, it was a backhand from almost inside the service box into the open court, that he missed. He would have been up 4-2 40-15 in the fifth.

He didn't choke in 2017 but how the fuck should it have been over in 3 sets?

Because Federer went completely passive in set 2. He then won set 3 by 6-1.

As to even if he'd gone up 40-15 at 4-2, you should know after watching yesterday that it's not over till it's over. He still had to win the game. He didn't. Same yesterday. Roger had 2 match points at 40-15. He lost.

 

[brokenshoelace]

yes, this match was horrible Darth, as bad as 08 Wimbledon. The 08 wimbledon and 19 wimbledon are horrible matches, overrated, bad quality. Federer choked, served subpar, was mentally weak, had mono..yadayadayada..

like i said, there are no worst fans than Fed fans, you guys are not tennis fans... you really aren't. You cannot appreciate any tennis other than Federer winning. Djokovic and Nadal are just sh&t players who just win when level is poor, beware when Fed plays well... they have no shot.

This was nowhere near as good as the 2008 match. Nowhere near. Both guys played better in that match (if Fed plays as aggressively and as cleanly in the fifth set yesterday as he did in the fifth set of the 2008 final, and plays the big points as well, he wins, no questions asked). The level of play in the final 3 sets of the 2008 final are much higher than anything displayed last night. Fed's forehand actually caught fire, which at no point happened yesterday. Now, he's 11 years older, so it makes sense, but it's a terrible comparison. The match yesterday was good. Lots of drama and relatively good quality. But that's about it.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Because Federer went completely passive in set 2. He then won set 3 by 6-1.

As to even if he'd gone up 40-15 at 4-2, you should know after watching yesterday that it's not over till it's over. He still had to win the game. He didn't. Same yesterday. Roger had 2 match points at 40-15. He lost.

Lol so he went completely passive and that's why it should have been over in straights? I don't get this logic. He went passive and lost the set very easily without having chances at all. So how should he have won it?

And yes, I'm aware it's not over until it's over, but that's the point isn't it? Choking matches away...otherwise they would be over and we wouldn't be discussing the choke so I'm really not sure what's your point there.

 

[Front242]

Lol so he went completely passive and that's why it should have been over in straights? I don't get this logic. He went passive and lost the set very easily without having chances at all. So how should he have won it?

And yes, I'm aware it's not over until it's over, but that's the point isn't it? Choking matches away...otherwise they would be over and we wouldn't be discussing the choke so I'm really not sure what's your point there.

He lost set 2 by a mere 1 break. My initial response was to AP stating those AO 2012 and 2017 finals were Nadal chokes and no they were not.

 

[Federberg]

so I had the match recorded. I was stuck on the motorway for hours, came back in time for the final points of the tie break. Didn't even bother watching the trophy ceremony. Deleted the recording and moved on with my life

I do have a few observations....

• This is the closest Roger has played Novak for years. I find it extraordinary that he's well into his dotage and this is the first time in a while he should probably have won.

• Anyone saying Federer is close to done should please just pipe down. It's getting boring. The guy just got to the semis of RG, lost to the best clay courter ever. And then pushed the runaway number 1 in the world (and from the sounds of it should have won!) in the longest 5 set Wimbledon final on record. If anyone thinks Federer is close to retirement, then I don't know what to say to that. All I know is that anyone who concludes that from this match is clueless and doesn't comprehend sport. The only reason Federer hangs up his boots right now is if he's tired of the fight, certainly not because he doesn't have chances to win slams anymore...

 

[monfed]

so I had the match recorded. I was stuck on the motorway for hours, came back in time for the final points of the tie break. Didn't even bother watching the trophy ceremony. Deleted the recording and moved on with my life

I do have a few observations....

• This is the closest Roger has played Novak for years. I find it extraordinary that he's well into his dotage and this is the first time in a while he should probably have won.

• Anyone saying Federer is close to done should please just pipe down. It's getting boring. The guy just got to the semis of RG, lost to the best clay courter ever. And then pushed the runaway number 1 in the world (and from the sounds of it should have won!) in the longest 5 set Wimbledon final on record. If anyone thinks Federer is close to retirement, then I don't know what to say to that. All I know is that anyone who concludes that from this match is clueless and doesn't comprehend sport. The only reason Federer hangs up his boots right now is if he's tired of the fight, certainly not because he doesn't have chances to win slams anymore...

You just gave the reason why he's done, chief. The next match against faker will be a 3 or 4 set beatdown specially on HC where faker is much better.

Infact this may have shattered Federer so badly that he may even lose to Nadal off-clay even.

 

[Mile]

Could anyone find that Topic we had some years ago, about how many GS will they won ? I know we were at some 11-12 for Novak count. Could someone bring it up ?

 

[Bonaca]

Cool, so you agree that Djokovic wasn't great, and Roger was close, but Novak deserved the win because he actually got it. I think that about sums it up.

Moxie that is absoluteky how i would sum it.
It was an good overall level, roger showed he is the better grass player, Novak that he is the better competitor.
At the end it was a mental thing!
I’m still flashed because my guy made it.
But all due to maestro, I repeat that I couldn’t imagine that Nadal or Novak will play on this level in5-6 years. Roger was so near to beat both back- to- back, that’s huge!!
Let’s cool down and look forward to the hard court season number 2.

 

[DarthFed]

DJokovic is 3-0 in Wimbledon finals with Federer in what many claim is Federer’s best surface, that’s enough to elicit emotional fluff.

I find it hard to consider someone the greatest on a surface when you lose all three finals you play with one of your greatest rivals....

Beat him at 33, 34, and 38. Should we wait to see how Novak is playing at that age? It's kind of sad he has problems with someone literally a decade past his prime.

 

[mrzz]

Federer has never had that.

AO 2017

 

[the AntiPusher]

Try re-reading your post where you claimed Nadal choked in the finals of the 2012 and 2017 AO if you want an example of that. I know perfectly well what I'm talking about and neither of those were chokes. In the first match he missed one measly point at 4-2 30-15 and that game was far from over. It was only 30-30 after that ffs. Stop overreacting.

The AO 2017, as has been pointed out many times, should have been over in 3 sets lol. The guy who fucked up there was Federer for not finishing him off in 3 or worst case scenario 4 sets. Don't fool yourself. Roger played extremely well from 1-3 in set 5 but it should never have reached a 5th set anyway.

Roger lost the tiebreakers today's match.. simply stated.

Rafa was up 4-2 in the 5 set AO 2012 with a chance to go up 5-2.. that's a choke in my opinion.
Rafa was up 3-1 in the 5 set while serving, that's another choke in my opinion.

Again You Don't know what you are "PERFECTLY Well" talking about.

 

[Bonaca]

The longest Wimbledon final ever, 4 hours: 57 minutes, boring, far to be a classic, and just a very fine line between to win and to lose.
I don't think both made a brilliant match but one of them had to win.
I agree Nadal played bad the last two sets vs Federer, he forgot to serve, to return, to hit well the ball and also to move well , it's like he forgot to play which means it was more mentally than anything else. But I hope to see soon something very different and I think Rafa has a good opportunity to show his good game in the USO

Carol are you loving the sport , playing by yourself? Or only fan of Nadal? This was a great final I many aspects, and I’m saying that not only because Novak won.
You know I wished Nadal on the other side, that would be easier for Novak. You remember my post?
Let’s hope they will meet each other in NY SF or Final, I’m fine with both scenarios, you?
Kind regards

 

[Bonaca]

Hello fellow No1e fans. Congratulations! I hope you survived 5 hours of suffering those Federer's hooligans.

I hoped No1e will lift up his game but it didn't happen. However, he managed to do what was most important that is to be better than Fed in tiebreaks and that was enough for victory.

This is a list of what Nole achieved with this win:

1. His fifth Wimbledon (3rd equal with Borg after Fed & Sampras)
   
   
2. His 16th slam
   
   
3. 72nd Wimbledon match won (3rd best ever after Fed & Connors, overpassed Becker)
   
   
4. Improved head to head with Fed 27-22 (4-1 in slam finals)
   
   
5. Improved number of top 10 wins
   
   
6. Improved the points difference with #2 to 4,470 points and came to #1 position in ATP race
   
   
7. Qualified for end of year tournament
   
   
8. First equal with Fed at big titles won with 54 each

Čestitam također , veliki uspjeh i ako nije igrao vrhunski , što bi tek uradio da je igrao blizu 100%.

Let’s hope he find his A Game on hard courts, let the dream go on!!

Držimo fige! Pozdrav