2015 U.S. Open (Men)

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Riotbeard said:
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Roger needs it most. He is running out of time and hasn't won one in 3 years. 17 isn't safe and it also isn't where he should end up, he left a lot on the table in 5th set failures and could start canceling them out by winning one or two as a geriatric.

I hear you from a fan perspective, but I think Roger (the actual person) is probably a bit more comfortable with himself and what he has achieved. I don't think 18 vs. 17 means that much to him (although of course he would be incredibly happy to win).

I think he wants another Wimbledon badly, maybe too badly given he really played a dismal final this year. Roger is a realist and everyone knows records are made to be broken but if he were to say "he'd feel happy for whoever broke his record" he'd be lying, especially if that someone is one of the rivals (Rafa or Djokovic) that he's faced throughout his career. 18 would give decent breathing space, and 19 would put it out of reach for anyone else on tour at this point.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
herios said:
A few household names of players who failed to qualify through into the main draw:

Almagro, Dodig, Montanes.

I did not realize Almagro has sunked so low that he had to play quals in the first place.:cover

That foot of his is going to be the end of his career. Even when he is playing, he has none of those small prep steps before a shot. Always looks flat footed.

I hope I am wrong. That backhand is worth the price of admission.
 

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Fiero425 said:
They're replaying '11 USO again on ESPN Classic! I turned over just in time to see Nadal running game again after 3 games of the 2nd set; left the court after a particularly long service game (15 min.) and made NOLE wait! All he could do was raise his arms imploring to the umpire, "WTF?" ;-) Luckily it didn't work and was made into a really tough year for Nadal where he was a perpetual runner-up in 1000's and 3 other majors through '12 AO to Djokovic! Roger should have such a recent record against his "so called" rival! Hard to call it that with such a losing record against Rafa! ;-(

That was obviously before Nole was "running game" :cover on Rafa with a MTO at the start of the fourth... :popcorn

This MTO though showed signs of obvious injury unlike pretty much any I've ever seen Nadal take and I think most will agree. Nadal before and after MTOs has run like a MF with no apparent difference whatsoever. If you think Novak serving first serves slower than Andy Murray's WTA 2nd serve isn't proof that Novak tweaked his back in that 4th set of the USO 2011 I don't know what to say other than there's a sale at Specsavers.

But of course you'd forget the medical timeout Nadal took at Wimbledon in 2007 when he was up 4-0 in the 4th set and killed his momentum. Of course you'd forget the medical timeout against Del Potro that Nadal took at Wimbledon in 4th, when he asked for the trainer after being a SET POINT UP having hurt his leg during a running forehand. Of course you'd forget about him pulling his hamstring against Ferrer at the AO in 2011 and more or less just going through the motions for the rest of the match in order not to retire for the second year in a row. And of course you'd forget about Nadal hurting his back in a grand slam final against Wawrinka and basically standing around the court for the rest of the match, while serving like Dementieva, and people here were trying to make the case that it was difficult for Wawrinka to play an injured opponent (yeah, I'm sure it's more difficult than his opponent playing injured).

Your opinions on all things Nadal, as ever, are a tad biased.
 

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alexander zverev, won 3rd qualifying round making 1st rd proper...hurrah and huzzah.

kyle Edmund, age 20, just broke top100 rank, sadly lost at same stage...boo hiss.
 

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1972Murat said:
GameSetAndMath said:
herios said:
A few household names of players who failed to qualify through into the main draw:

Almagro, Dodig, Montanes.

I did not realize Almagro has sunked so low that he had to play quals in the first place.:cover

That foot of his is going to be the end of his career. Even when he is playing, he has none of those small prep steps before a shot. Always looks flat footed.

I hope I am wrong. That backhand is worth the price of admission.

Although a shadow of himself, since he has returned this year has a decent record 17-17. If he plays similarly for the rest of the season, he may be back into the 40-70 ranking range, from 112 where he is now, due to missing the last year all events after RG.
But his career as a constant top 20 player might be indeed over.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
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That was obviously before Nole was "running game" :cover on Rafa with a MTO at the start of the fourth... :popcorn

This MTO though showed signs of obvious injury unlike pretty much any I've ever seen Nadal take and I think most will agree. Nadal before and after MTOs has run like a MF with no apparent difference whatsoever. If you think Novak serving first serves slower than Andy Murray's WTA 2nd serve isn't proof that Novak tweaked his back in that 4th set of the USO 2011 I don't know what to say other than there's a sale at Specsavers.

But of course you'd forget the medical timeout Nadal took at Wimbledon in 2007 when he was up 4-0 in the 4th set and killed his momentum. Of course you'd forget the medical timeout against Del Potro that Nadal took at Wimbledon in 4th, when he asked for the trainer after being a SET POINT UP having hurt his leg during a running forehand. Of course you'd forget about him pulling his hamstring against Ferrer at the AO in 2011 and more or less just going through the motions for the rest of the match in order not to retire for the second year in a row. And of course you'd forget about Nadal hurting his back in a grand slam final against Wawrinka and basically standing around the court for the rest of the match, while serving like Dementieva, and people here were trying to make the case that it was difficult for Wawrinka to play an injured opponent (yeah, I'm sure it's more difficult than his opponent playing injured).

Your opinions on all things Nadal, as ever, are a tad biased.
;/'

Clearly I've already acknowledged he had issues in the AO final against Wawrinka. I mean, only an idiot would deny that. The match against Ferrer, fair enough. Can't say I noticed any difference whatsoever before or after the MTOs in the Wimbledon 2007 or match or the one against Del Potro at Wimbledon but the first two above fair enough. Anyway, you want biased, go back to Kieran saying this is normal speed for Djokovic to serve. That's not bias btw, it's just plain denial of reality.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtCkIhJnv_w[/video]
 

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Front242 said:
Anyway, you want biased, go back to Kieran saying this is normal speed for Djokovic to serve. That's not bias btw, it's just plain denial of reality.

Reading isn't your forte, is it? :cover

From all the links you post, but haven't read properly, to this. :cover

I told you, I was pointing out an obvious prejudice, by showing that Rafa's MTO was of the same calibre as Novak's. In other words - because you really need me to simplify it - since Novak took a legit MTO, why give out when Rafa did.

Nowhere did I say "this is normal speed for Djokovic to serve". Nowhere.

You just made that bit up... :cover
 

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Qualifiers:

P. Mathieu
A. Zverev
G. Pella
M. Berrer
N. Basilashvili
Y. Nishioka
J. Melzer
M. Ebden
E. Donskoy
A. Rublev
T. Paul
J. Smith
E. Ymer
K. Kravchuk
A. Gonzalez
I. Marchenko
 

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You said he was "running game" against him so I made nothing up. Btw, aside from a handful of matches, most MTOs Nadal took showed no difference in the physicality of his Duracell bunny gazelle running and the fact that Broken could list only 4 that he found legit tells you something, ie the rest of them he himself also considered bs.
 

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Front242 said:
You said he was "running game" against him so I made nothing up.

"Running game" was a quote from Fiero's post. We'll put it down to a genuine error on your part this time, but try keep up, dear... ;)
 

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Kieran said:
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You said he was "running game" against him so I made nothing up.

"Running game" was a quote from Fiero's post. We'll put it down to a genuine error on your part this time, but try keep up, dear... ;)

I saw it was from Fiero's post originally but the fact that you saw the need to repost it and accuse a guy serving 70mph first serves of gamemanship was a bit out there.
 

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Front242 said:
Kieran said:
Front242 said:
You said he was "running game" against him so I made nothing up.

"Running game" was a quote from Fiero's post. We'll put it down to a genuine error on your part this time, but try keep up, dear... ;)

I saw it was from Fiero's post originally but the fact that you saw the need to repost it and accuse a guy serving 70mph first serves of gamemanship was a bit out there.

Read it again, brother. I can take time to scan it for you, if you like, but that clearly wasn't what I was saying...
 

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Front242 said:
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Front242 said:
This MTO though showed signs of obvious injury unlike pretty much any I've ever seen Nadal take and I think most will agree. Nadal before and after MTOs has run like a MF with no apparent difference whatsoever. If you think Novak serving first serves slower than Andy Murray's WTA 2nd serve isn't proof that Novak tweaked his back in that 4th set of the USO 2011 I don't know what to say other than there's a sale at Specsavers.

But of course you'd forget the medical timeout Nadal took at Wimbledon in 2007 when he was up 4-0 in the 4th set and killed his momentum. Of course you'd forget the medical timeout against Del Potro that Nadal took at Wimbledon in 4th, when he asked for the trainer after being a SET POINT UP having hurt his leg during a running forehand. Of course you'd forget about him pulling his hamstring against Ferrer at the AO in 2011 and more or less just going through the motions for the rest of the match in order not to retire for the second year in a row. And of course you'd forget about Nadal hurting his back in a grand slam final against Wawrinka and basically standing around the court for the rest of the match, while serving like Dementieva, and people here were trying to make the case that it was difficult for Wawrinka to play an injured opponent (yeah, I'm sure it's more difficult than his opponent playing injured).

Your opinions on all things Nadal, as ever, are a tad biased.
;/'

Clearly I've already acknowledged he had issues in the AO final against Wawrinka. I mean, only an idiot would deny that. The match against Ferrer, fair enough. Can't say I noticed any difference whatsoever before or after the MTOs in the Wimbledon 2007 or match or the one against Del Potro at Wimbledon but the first two above fair enough. Anyway, you want biased, go back to Kieran saying this is normal speed for Djokovic to serve. That's not bias btw, it's just plain denial of reality.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtCkIhJnv_w[/video]

I didn't notice any difference in Nadal before and after the MTO's against Fed and Del Potro either, but that's not the point. The point is, why on earth would he ask for a MTO in those situations had something not been wrong. Like who hits a DTL forehand to get a set point on his opponent's serve, grabs his foot and immediately calls for the trainer?

The other, bigger point is, with the exception of a select few, Nadal's MTO's have been legit. More importantly, he hasn't taken a shady MTO in 5 years, yet you refuse to let it go. All the while you ignore Novak, who's done it more, has had bogus retirements (from ages ago but that didn't stop you from crucifying Nadal), and to this day, has an extremely annoying habit of playing possum and acting like he's struggling when things don't go his way, only to cover every inch of the court regardless. It's funny, Murray grabs a body part for a split second and we never hear the end of it. Novak acts like he's about to faint, he's dejected or whatever, and he's either struggling or better yet, "disinterested."

Now I know, you'll claim that Novak's actions bother you, yet you almost never bring it up, despite the fact that they're far more recent. Meanwhile you literally can't stop bringing up Nadal's MTO's even though he hasn't had one in forever. Let's not even get started on the coaching issue, which again, you can't stop bringing up re: Toni, yet Novak and Boris admit to secret signs and language on the court and it doesn't seem to bother you nearly as much.

Yes Kieran is biased. We all are. That's not even news. But you gotta be consistent. You aren't. Just admit Nadal's transgressions bother you more because you dislike him and that's that.
 

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Yes, agreed he hasn't taken a shady MTO in 5 years. Mind you, he did stop to bandage his feet in the RG 2011 final for longer than the allocated time between games and guess what..he was 5-2 down when it happened. Coincidence? This wasn't an MTO I know but it was longer than should've been allowed and at a very questionable time when he was getting royally thumped.
 

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Btw, I never said Djokovic hadn't done this also. Clearly he has. My point was in reply to the post which implied there was nothing wrong with Djokovic in the USO 2011 final in the 4th set and nothing more.
 

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Front242 said:
Btw, I never said Djokovic hadn't done this also. Clearly he has. My point was in reply to the post which implied there was nothing wrong with Djokovic in the USO 2011 final in the 4th set and nothing more.

And I'm sure you now see that it wasn't implied.

Good. We're all happy. Bring it on!

Final's on a Sunday again this year, so I'll see you's peeps again on Monday 14th. Vamosss!!
 

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Front242 said:
Kieran said:
Fiero425 said:
They're replaying '11 USO again on ESPN Classic! I turned over just in time to see Nadal running game again after 3 games of the 2nd set; left the court after a particularly long service game (15 min.) and made NOLE wait! All he could do was raise his arms imploring to the umpire, "WTF?" ;-) Luckily it didn't work and was made into a really tough year for Nadal where he was a perpetual runner-up in 1000's and 3 other majors through '12 AO to Djokovic! Roger should have such a recent record against his "so called" rival! Hard to call it that with such a losing record against Rafa! ;-(

That was obviously before Nole was "running game" :cover on Rafa with a MTO at the start of the fourth... :popcorn

This MTO though showed signs of obvious injury unlike pretty much any I've ever seen Nadal take and I think most will agree. Nadal before and after MTOs has run like a MF with no apparent difference whatsoever. If you think Novak serving first serves slower than Andy Murray's WTA 2nd serve isn't proof that Novak tweaked his back in that 4th set of the USO 2011 I don't know what to say other than there's a sale at Specsavers.
"Run like a MF"
Front, what is a MF?
 

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Front242 said:
Have a guess, AP.

Rafa and his team needs to use this tape of that horrific display of hitting by Rafa as a non blueprint of Not how to play against Djoker, I can't believe how atrocious and short Rafa was hitting in that clip. :nono That's was a pure nightmare