2015 Shanghai Masters 1000 Semifinal: Djokovic v. Murray

[Riotbeard]

I'm not ready to give upon him yet. Would like to see him get the Davis Cup and one more Slam.

Overall this is a good year for Andy. If he finishes #2, that will be the first time for him.

Yeah. There are been some puzzling losses, but Australian Open runner-up, Madrid Masters and Montreal Masters, FO and Wimby SF, first two clay titles, 4 titles in all this year, a potential Davis Cup, first to to finish the year at No. 2, and oh yeah he got married and he's expecting a kid.

Not a bad year!

I agree. For a guy like Murray, every year not winning a slam is a disappointment, but he has had some high moments!

 

[Kieran]

In fairness, I suppose we have to judge Andy on what he was becoming - but hasn't become. He was on the way to challenging at the very top and a future winner of maybe 2-4 more slams. Okay, he's #2, that's near the top - 8m points behind Novak in a not very strong year. In this not very strong year, Novak is the only strong player and Andy is among the bunch behind him, as far away from winning majors at the moment as last years hot tip, Nishikori.

What we thought Andy would become, he hasn't. There's reasons for this, but it's disappointing to see him more or less back-sliding...

 

[Mile]

Did anyone see Djoker changed shirt or raquet ?

Its must be really Big 4.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Murray has had a good year but disappointed in the second half of the year. He did very well at the first two slams but then never really got going in the latter two which have brought him his biggest successes in the past. The focus has shift towards Davis Cup and we shouldn't ignore the impact that can have on his individual schedule, but I'll be worried if I see a similar year next year when there can be no excuses about the Davis Cup workload or anything else.

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[Mile]

Why not?

He clearly is not interested

I agree, and added to this, Andy no longer such an attractive future prospect...

Agree, serious coach wouldn't take deceasing player 3-4 years within retirement. Lendl would instead take some young gun.

 

[Carol]

Muzz??.....seriously he is a difficult case to explain what's wrong with him.

 

[nehmeth]

Muzz??.....seriously he is a difficult case to explain what's wrong with him.

Very simple really. Just like Rafa in Beijing, he ran into Nole.

 

[herios]

What we thought Andy would become, he hasn't. There's reasons for this, but it's disappointing to see him more or less back-sliding...

First and foremost, he is not backsliding. he has recovered very well from a bad year, which is one step forward and not back.
Secondly, I never considered him more than a spoiler in the big picture in the Fedalovic era.
He was the odd one, pouncing when the other three are off their game.
Stan Wawrinka also grew into the role of spoiler the last 2 years.

And now, when Nole is in full flight, there is not much you can expect from Andy. The last year just proved that consistently.

 

[Kieran]

I think his record since Lendl left suggests he's actually backsliding...

 

[nehmeth]

I think his record since Lendl left suggests he's actually backsliding...

Or just that Lendl caused Murray to blip on the radar while he was with him. Now he's just returned to his normal level.

 

[Carol]

Muzz??.....seriously he is a difficult case to explain what's wrong with him.

Very simple really. Just like Rafa in Beijing, he ran into Nole.

Lol, I don't know about Muzz but I'm sure that Rafa would have liked to play against Novak, next time

 

[nehmeth]

Muzz??.....seriously he is a difficult case to explain what's wrong with him.

Very simple really. Just like Rafa in Beijing, he ran into Nole.

Lol, I don't know about Muzz but I'm sure that Rafa would have liked to play against Novak, next time

:laydownlaughing:lolz: I'm sure.

 

[Kieran]

I think his record since Lendl left suggests he's actually backsliding...

Or just that Lendl caused Murray to blip on the radar while he was with him. Now he's just returned to his normal level.

That might still amount to the same thing. But it's a fact that he was closer to Nole then, then he is now. And he was beating both Nole and Roger as often as they were beating him. And it seemed like he'd only get better. He had a bad back injury, then surgery, then Lendl left, and since then... :nono

 

[nehmeth]

That might still amount to the same thing. But it's a fact that he was closer to Nole then, then he is now. And he was beating both Nole and Roger as often as they were beating him. And it seemed like he'd only get better. He had a bad back injury, then surgery, then Lendl left, and since then... :nono

I see your point...

 

[herios]

I think his record since Lendl left suggests he's actually backsliding...

Or just that Lendl caused Murray to blip on the radar while he was with him. Now he's just returned to his normal level.

That might still amount to the same thing. But it's a fact that he was closer to Nole then, then he is now. And he was beating both Nole and Roger as often as they were beating him. And it seemed like he'd only get better. He had a bad back injury, then surgery, then Lendl left, and since then... :nono

Or maybe the traditional player who peaks at 25-26, like they used to do.

 

[Carol]

Very simple really. Just like Rafa in Beijing, he ran into Nole.

Lol, I don't know about Muzz but I'm sure that Rafa would have liked to play against Novak, next time

:laydownlaughing:lolz: I'm sure.

Be sure :laydownlaughing :lolz:

 

[Carol]

Muzz seems to be a very honest and nice person but talking about the game I think his personality doesn't help him too much, I mean some players when are losing they get mad but it help them to comeback and playing better, he does the opposite :nono

 

[El Dude]

There's nothing "wrong" with Andy. He just has the misfortune of playing along-side three of the greatest tennis players of all time. He's the Guillermo Vilas of this era. No shame in that.

I think the sense of there being something "wrong" is largely a matter of unrealistic expectations due to his high level of 2012-13, and perhaps a subconscious comparison to his then-coach Ivan Lendl, who also broke out relatively late with his first Slam at age 24 (Andy was 25) after being in the shadow of Borg, McEnroe, and Connors. Yet where Lendl won four Slams in the two years following (1985-86), Andy hasn't won any.

There's also his atrocious Slam final record: 2-6 (25%). I don't have the numbers right now, but my guess is that must be the worst Slam final percentage of any player who was played at least 6 so finals (Roddick is 1-4, or 20%). Its the same percentage as Ivanisevic's or Chang's 1-3 record.

Anyhow, someone has to be the player between the all-time greats and the rest of the field, and in the current era it has been Andy.

 

[Fiero425]

Just catching the last couple games and as I said, Murray wasn't going to kill himself to win this match! "KING OF THE FORUM!" ;-) :cover

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Re: RE: 2015 Shanghai Masters 1000 Semifinal: Djokovic v. Murray

There's nothing "wrong" with Andy. He just has the misfortune of playing along-side three of the greatest tennis players of all time. He's the Guillermo Vilas of this era. No shame in that.

I think the sense of there being something "wrong" is largely a matter of unrealistic expectations due to his high level of 2012-13, and perhaps a subconscious comparison to his then-coach Ivan Lendl, who also broke out relatively late with his first Slam at age 24 (Andy was 25) after being in the shadow of Borg, McEnroe, and Connors. Yet where Lendl won four Slams in the two years following (1985-86), Andy hasn't won any.

There's also his atrocious Slam final record: 2-6 (25%). I don't have the numbers right now, but my guess is that must be the worst Slam final percentage of any player who was played at least 6 so finals (Roddick is 1-4, or 20%). Its the same percentage as Ivanisevic's or Chang's 1-3 record.

Anyhow, someone has to be the player between the all-time greats and the rest of the field, and in the current era it has been Andy.

Good post, I'll still be surprised if Andy retires without winning another slam or two but I've said it before - he is a great player made to look somewhat ordinary because he's been competing with three unrealistically good all time greats and he's just not quite in their league.

Still, I wish people would appreciate him for adding more spice to this era of tennis and winning 2 majors, maybe a couple more by the time he's finished, which is a great achievement in this era, instead of getting sucked into concentrating on the reasons that he isn't as good as his biggest rivals.

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