2015 Monte Carlo Masters Semifinal: Djokovic v. Nadal

[Billie]

Honestly when I read some of the posts it's like people think that robots play this game and not human beings.

Is it Robak Djokobot? Or Nobot Robovic? Watching these guys play, I think they might actually be superior to robots!

:laydownlaughing Both names are cool.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'd like to know if some people knows to see the difference between a discomfort (most of the athletes have) and an injury which makes them to be out of the court and practice for long time (and not just for a couple of weeks) and what we could say after a surgery :exclamation:
No further questions :huh:

Carol, to answer your post, it takes about 4-5 months of rigorous conditional training for a top flight athlete like Rafa or let's say Kobe Bryant to get back to level of fitness they need to be at to compete at their level. I think another month and Rafa will be match tough and conditional fit to compete for a grand slam. No way he was going to win AO or defeat Novak at this point.

Question though:

He has only been out of competition for relatively short periods of time. The appendix, after Wimbledon, last year. That's enough to throw you off 4-5 months? I think there is a little more to it...

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

 

[Denis]

Carol, to answer your post, it takes about 4-5 months of rigorous conditional training for a top flight athlete like Rafa or let's say Kobe Bryant to get back to level of fitness they need to be at to compete at their level. I think another month and Rafa will be match tough and conditional fit to compete for a grand slam. No way he was going to win AO or defeat Novak at this point.

Question though:

He has only been out of competition for relatively short periods of time. The appendix, after Wimbledon, last year. That's enough to throw you off 4-5 months? I think there is a little more to it...

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

 

[Fiero425]

Question though:

He has only been out of competition for relatively short periods of time. The appendix, after Wimbledon, last year. That's enough to throw you off 4-5 months? I think there is a little more to it...

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

I do guess Rafa has to be injured to go on any kind of losing run; even against Nole! :cover :nono uzzled :blush:

 

[Carol]

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

I do guess Rafa has to be injured to go on any kind of losing run; even against Nole! :cover :nono uzzled :blush:

Do you mean that he wasn't injured and he didn't get any surgery?
Come on, it's ok that you are a hard Novak's fan but the facts are facts and you should be very happy for what is going on these days before some things change

 

[Fiero425]

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

I do guess Rafa has to be injured to go on any kind of losing run; even against Nole! :cover :nono uzzled :blush:

Do you mean that he wasn't injured and he didn't get any surgery?
Come on, it's ok that you are a hard Novak's fan but the facts are facts and you should be very happy for what is going on these days before some things change

It's not as much being a fan, but feeling that this is NOLE's time! Even holding tons of records, having great seasons, he's still holding the bags for Roger and Rafa! I ranted yesterday comparing Lendl's career and lack of fan affection while maniacs like Nastase, Connors, and McEnroe were the faces of the tour! There's just no justice when Novak can surpass his 2011 season and most people and so called experts will invoke Roger and Rafa before him; no matter how far they fall in the rankings! :cover :nono uzzled :angel:

 

[Carol]

I do guess Rafa has to be injured to go on any kind of losing run; even against Nole! :cover :nono uzzled :blush:

Do you mean that he wasn't injured and he didn't get any surgery?
Come on, it's ok that you are a hard Novak's fan but the facts are facts and you should be very happy for what is going on these days before some things change

It's not as much being a fan, but feeling that this is NOLE's time! Even holding tons of records, having great seasons, he's still holding the bags for Roger and Rafa! I ranted yesterday comparing Lendl's career and lack of fan affection while maniacs like Nastase, Connors, and McEnroe were the faces of the tour! There's just no justice when Novak can surpass his 2011 season and most people and so called
experts will invoke Roger and Rafa before him; no matter how far they fall in the rankings! :cover :nono uzzled :angel:

Of course under the circunstances is the Nole's time, I'd say it's the "perfect" time but I'd like to know what you would say if he would have had an injury and right after a surgery and by logic he would take time to play his best :huh: :dodgy:

 

[Fiero425]

Do you mean that he wasn't injured and he didn't get any surgery?
Come on, it's ok that you are a hard Novak's fan but the facts are facts and you should be very happy for what is going on these days before some things change

It's not as much being a fan, but feeling that this is NOLE's time! Even holding tons of records, having great seasons, he's still holding the bags for Roger and Rafa! I ranted yesterday comparing Lendl's career and lack of fan affection while maniacs like Nastase, Connors, and McEnroe were the faces of the tour! There's just no justice when Novak can surpass his 2011 season and most people and so called
experts will invoke Roger and Rafa before him; no matter how far they fall in the rankings! :cover :nono uzzled :angel:

Of course under the circunstances is the Nole's time, I'd say it's the "perfect" time but I'd like to know what you would say if he would have had an injury and right after a surgery and by logic he would take time to play his best :huh: :dodgy:

I don't understand the premise! Nole's never had extended stays off the tour like other players of this era; sorta like the way I feel about Serena and Venus playing part time for so many years! They will say there was injury, tragedy, and other interests, but I have a real problem with breaks in careers! Martina Navratilova never did it, but her namesake Hingis is trying another comeback in Fed Cup and is winning doubles' majors after all these years! Some will get grief for it and some won't! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

 

[Carol]

It's not as much being a fan, but feeling that this is NOLE's time! Even holding tons of records, having great seasons, he's still holding the bags for Roger and Rafa! I ranted yesterday comparing Lendl's career and lack of fan affection while maniacs like Nastase, Connors, and McEnroe were the faces of the tour! There's just no justice when Novak can surpass his 2011 season and most people and so called
experts will invoke Roger and Rafa before him; no matter how far they fall in the rankings! :cover :nono uzzled :angel:

Of course under the circunstances is the Nole's time, I'd say it's the "perfect" time but I'd like to know what you would say if he would have had an injury and right after a surgery and by logic he would take time to play his best :huh: :dodgy:

I don't understand the premise! Nole's never had extended stays off the tour like other players of this

era; sorta like the way I feel about Serena and Venus playing part time for so many years! They will say there was injury, tragedy, and other interests, but I have a real problem with breaks in careers! Martina Navratilova never did it, but her namesake Hingis is trying another comeback in Fed Cup and is winning doubles' majors after all these years! Some will get grief for it and some won't! :nono :angel: :dodgy:

Of course Nole never (until today) had extende stays off the tour because he never has had an injury
(disconfort is a different story) but unfortunately not everyone has that good luck, you should ask Delpo,
Muzz, Tsonga, Monfils , Nish, Raonic, Haas and many other players who has been off the court for long time and how much those injuries have hurted their career and not just their game but also their mind and confidence. No one likes to be off, but sometimes they don't have any option
Rafa was 7 months off because the doctors told him that he must to take a very serious care of his knee otherwise it could be the end of his career and thanks he decided to do it at the present his knee seems to be in good conditions
Appendicitis? everyone can have it but who wants to go through that? I call that just bad luck:huh:
And of course it has to be too frustrate and easy to lose the confidence which is very known it's so
important as the game, 50/50

(I hate to post with the IPad, I make too many mistakes lol)

 

[the AntiPusher]

Question though:

He has only been out of competition for relatively short periods of time. The appendix, after Wimbledon, last year. That's enough to throw you off 4-5 months? I think there is a little more to it...

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

maybe I wasn't clear, you are incorrect if you think that he had enough time from recovery from surgery. You can ask whatever you like, smh why someone would think otherwise

 

[Billie]

I don't see what any of these previous few posts have to do with the semi final yesterday, but whatever....

Being healthy and being able to compete requires another skill necessary in tennis. It is easy to overplay and over extend oneself, but it takes some smarts to avoid any serious injuries. Most of tennis injuries are like that, a bit of soreness, it hurts a bit, but guys just keep pushing through until it is too late and they are damaged and have to stay off the tour for extended period of time. Everybody should know their limits and take it easy when they feel something is wrong with them.

I don't believe for a second that Nole, Federer, Berdych, Ferrer and some others are just somehow gifted and injury-proof. They work hard on their schedule and they know when they can push and when it is not the time for that. Being smart and playing within themselves is the main reason that these guys are relatively injury free.

Poor Janko for example, played with painful foot for months until it got so bad that he had to miss 17 months of his career and had 2 surgeries to remove tumors from it. Cilic served harder than ever in this past USO and his shoulder/back paid the price so he is not the same ever since. There are many cases like that. As much as I feel for Delpo, I am afraid he damaged his wrists also with going for too much on his shots for long period of time.

Unless it is a freak accident and there is no way to prevent it, unfortunately most of other injuries are just that - overplaying and not knowing their limits.

 

[Fiero425]

I don't see what any of these previous few posts have to do with the semi final yesterday, but whatever....

Being healthy and being able to compete requires another skill necessary in tennis. It is easy to overplay and over extend oneself, but it takes some smarts to avoid any serious injuries. Most of tennis injuries are like that, a bit of soreness, it hurts a bit, but guys just keep pushing through until it is too late and they are damaged and have to stay off the tour for extended period of time. Everybody should know their limits and take it easy when they feel something is wrong with them.

I don't believe for a second that Nole, Federer, Berdych, Ferrer and some others are just somehow gifted and injury-proof. They work hard on their schedule and they know when they can push and when it is not the time for that. Being smart and playing within themselves is the main reason that these guys are relatively injury free.

Poor Janko for example, played with painful foot for months until it got so bad that he had to miss 17 months of his career and had 2 surgeries to remove tumors from it. Cilic served harder than ever in this past USO and his shoulder/back paid the price so he is not the same ever since. There are many cases like that. As much as I feel for Delpo, I am afraid he damaged his wrists also with going for too much on his shots for long period of time.

Unless it is a freak accident and there is no way to prevent it, unfortunately most of other injuries are just that - overplaying and not knowing their limits.

My thought exactly! Players who are oft injured are doing something to hurt their durability! Many players have long, consistent careers because they think about what they're doing and don't over train like some who are "hurting themselves" for the most part when you hear about extended absences from respective tours! I have so much more respect for Martina and Roger being respective "goat's" because they never took off much without sacrificing their rankings! Players like Rafa, Venus, Serena, Haas, and Del Po can't say the same!

 

[Billie]

One thing I have to add, Fiero, sometimes players feel obligated to keep playing and participating in certain tournaments and sometimes some just hate the notion of losing so they will try to do anything to win. Some are maybe not educated enough (in Janko's case he really didn't know what he was dealing with until it became chronic and too late; and I believe Delpo had the wrong diagnosis the first time with his wrist).

I am pretty sure that Nole could serve harder than he usually does, but what is the price for that? He paid the price in 2011 when he started to feel wear and tear of the season and instead of passing on the DC tie, he decided to play and injured himself. I think he learned that lesson well and when he feels he can't push anymore, he won't force it.

Fed is a master at that, balancing his health, schedule and matches.

 

[Carol]

Yeah.....so Ferru and Novak don't make any effort playing, they play too easy....and that's why they don't get injuries, this is something new for me but...whatever :snicker
Meanwhile I understand now why those genius of soccer and Basketball like Messi, Wade, Kobe and other great athletes get injuries , they are so silly, too much effort and not too smart, they are hurting theirselves, what a shame..:deadhorselease::wow::violins::faint

 

[the AntiPusher]

It's not as much being a fan, but feeling that this is NOLE's time! Even holding tons of records, having great seasons, he's still holding the bags for Roger and Rafa! I ranted yesterday comparing Lendl's career and lack of fan affection while maniacs like Nastase, Connors, and McEnroe were the faces of the tour! There's just no justice when Novak can surpass his 2011 season and most people and so called
experts will invoke Roger and Rafa before him; no matter how far they fall in the rankings! :cover :nono uzzled :angel:

Of course under the circunstances is the Nole's time, I'd say it's the "perfect" time but I'd like to know what you would say if he would have had an injury and right after a surgery and by logic he would take time to play his best :huh: :dodgy:

" I have a problem. with breaks in careers" , really do iyou hear yourself, are you that foolish to believe Serena injuries and Venus chronic immune illness, or Rafa surgery isn't legitimate

 

[Denis]

No, you are incorrect, Rafa suffered a wrist injury afterwards of SW19..Rafa had surgery early November for his appendix..my 4-5 months is on point

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

maybe I wasn't clear, you are incorrect if you think that he had enough time from recovery from surgery. You can ask whatever you like, smh why someone would think otherwise

Don't be so defensive. I asked you a question because I was interested in knowing more about injuries and recovery.

By the way, Nadal has played more tournaments in the past year than Djokovic (and I mean from April 2014 to now).

Agreed though that we will only really know where Rafa is at the French.

 

[the AntiPusher]

What do you mean I am incorrect? I asked something citing those two injuries. :huh:

maybe I wasn't clear, you are incorrect if you think that he had enough time from recovery from surgery. You can ask whatever you like, smh why someone would think otherwise

Don't be so defensive. I asked you a question because I was interested in knowing more about injuries and recovery.

By the way, Nadal has played more tournaments in the past year than Djokovic (and I mean from April 2014 to now).

Agreed though that we will only really know where Rafa is at the French.

I wasn't defensive, however the way yu word the question was if I was implying you couldn't ask a question..never defensive brother, always on the offensive