2015 Masters Series Final Indian Wells: #1 Djokovic v. #2 Federer

[Federberg]

^why does the scoreline preclude the level being high?

 

[DarthFed]

^ I'd rather imagine how little Rafa would have won if he didn't push himself to crazy extremes to grind it out over players who are more able to finish points on their own terms. The injuries are mostly the price he pays for success. If he didn't have the physical ability to hit otherworldly topspin for hours on end, 10 months of the year he would be nothing. You can't complain about his luck when it comes to his body.

Well said.. it's the price he pays for what he does

Well said? what price? do you think that Federer didn't and doesn't have to make any effort and push himself to crazy extremes? I saw him many times running like crazy trying to win until the last point and smashing the racquet when the things don't go on his own terms. If he haven't had more injuries it's because he is another lucky man, that's all

Not anywhere near as much, pretty obvious if you watch them.

 

[DarthFed]

^ I'd rather imagine how little Rafa would have won if he didn't push himself to crazy extremes to grind it out over players who are more able to finish points on their own terms. The injuries are mostly the price he pays for success. If he didn't have the physical ability to hit otherworldly topspin for hours on end, 10 months of the year he would be nothing. You can't complain about his luck when it comes to his body.

Remember when I went through Nadal's career injuries one by one and only tendinitis could have been a legit result of his style of play? Yeah, imagine I re-posted that.

Hurting his hamstring against Ferrer when he was going for his Rafa slam in 2011 (AO), hurting his back in a Grand Slam final, hurting his wrist before the US Open last year, having appendicitis surgery, are all a result of his style of play? OK, if you guys say so.

They love to say that because it's clear that they don't have any idea where and why his knee injury came from. If it would be due to his style to play can you imagine Novak who every time I see him to play I think his body is going to divide in two parts?
Some players are lucky not getting injuries but not too many of them are

So having a foot injury at age 16 means that he was doomed to have a crap ton of knee issues. I'm sure throwing all his body weight into every ugly forehand to make it bounce above everyone's shoulders or running after every ball like a chicken with it's head cut off had nothing to do with his injuries. Crazy to think it would :cover

 

[Federberg]

I'm bailing out of this thread. This should be about Roger and Novak. Not hijacked because of Rafa injuries and woulda coulda. Let's keep it real guys, that was a good final. Best guy won etc..

 

[Front242]

This time I have to side with Kirijax. And don't push me, or I'll say that Nadal is a booger and a fool.

Every fan base here is extremely sensitive with the exception of some truly satisfied Federer fans who feel their man has done enough and his legacy is secured (which is fair) so they're not bothered by most things...unless you bring up the Nadal head to head

There are not more sensitive fans than those aparent satisfied (they are not) Federer fans and not only when you brings up the Nadal H2H but thinking if he could reach those 17 numbers, they are begging for someone could stop him, but nobody can stop him, only the injuries

And Rosol, Darcis, Coric, Berdych, Berrer. That's only the recent losses. There were many more nobodies in other tournaments and I'll gladly list them if you want.

 

[tented]

I'm bailing out of this thread. This should be about Roger and Novak. Not hijacked because of Rafa injuries and woulda coulda. Let's keep it real guys, that was a good final. Best guy won etc..

Completely agree.

Also, in case anyone hasn't read it yet, please see Murat's new Fedal thread.

If you want to keep discussing anything related to Rafa, please do so in that thread. Anything else posted here not related to the IW final will be deleted or moved.

Thanks!

 

[brokenshoelace]

^why does the scoreline preclude the level being high?

If a 17 time Grand Slam champion plays at an "exceptional level" in a set, he's winning more than 2 games.

 

[Federberg]

^not necessarily. It's possible for the other guy to play better

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Federer says he himself is surprised by the way the third
set ended. He thought he had the momentum. He does not offer any explanation as to why
it happened though.

So, I think it may be a case of there is will in the mind, but not strength in body. I find it
difficult to digest though especially considering this is just a 3 set match.