2015 French Open 4th Round Federer vs. Monfils

[tented]

^ Good, I hear it plays faster which should help vs. Stan. I think Stan has a better chance vs. Roger on slow courts where Roger can't get him out of position as easily.

OK, good point. My first reaction was that once again he's not on center court, but if this helps, who cares?

 

[DarthFed]

^That's a bit faster. I'm not sure that's a good thing against Stan. That match is probably more about what goes on in Stan's mind than anything else. Of course if Roger is in TMF mode then it's a no brainer, but that's a once in a blue moon thing these days

Consider that Stan's only wins against Roger have come at Monte Carlo which might be even slower and higher bouncing than RG. Also, Stan's near miss in London last year was on a very slow indoor hard court. On a fast court Stan can't line up the shots as much and the errors will pile up with the poor shot selection.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Roger will be on Lenglen tomorrow. Good grief.

That is kind of expected given that Tsonga is the last Frenchi left.

 

[Federberg]

^That's a bit faster. I'm not sure that's a good thing against Stan. That match is probably more about what goes on in Stan's mind than anything else. Of course if Roger is in TMF mode then it's a no brainer, but that's a once in a blue moon thing these days

Consider that Stan's only wins against Roger have come at Monte Carlo which might be even slower and higher bouncing than RG. Also, Stan's near miss in London last year was on a very slow indoor hard court. On a fast court Stan can't line up the shots as much and the errors will pile up with the poor shot selection.

That's a fair point

 

[mrzz]

^That's a bit faster. I'm not sure that's a good thing against Stan. That match is probably more about what goes on in Stan's mind than anything else. Of course if Roger is in TMF mode then it's a no brainer, but that's a once in a blue moon thing these days

I think he got pretty close to TMF in good patches of the match today, which for me explains why Monfils folded in the fourth. The first game of the third (first game today) was extremely impressive. Course, some easy misses always there to remind us of the current times, but a very good win for my money.

 

[kro2488]

It depends entirely how effective his serving game is, if he isn't getting a high amount of first serves in or hitting good spots serve and volley will wilt. Also, against Monfils its harder to do it every serve, so he should mix it up some, which is what he did later. Of the current players Federer is pretty good at net when he doesn't get lazy and hit volleys in the mid portion of the court, guys like Monfils, Nadal, Djo will eat that up. Deeper or short and in corners works better.

 

[kro2488]

Roger's net play is killing him. Kind of why I always cringe when people talk how good he is at net. Way too inconsistent.

Might be the most brutally honest statement you have made recently regarding one of Roger's strokes.

 

[kro2488]

Roger's net play is killing him. Kind of why I always cringe when people talk how good he is at net. Way too inconsistent.

Might be the most brutally honest statement you have made recently regarding one of Roger's strokes.

It depends entirely how effective his serving game is, if he isn't getting a high amount of first serves in or hitting good spots serve and volley will wilt. Also, against Monfils its harder to do it every serve, so he should mix it up some, which is what he did later. Of the current players Federer is pretty good at net when he doesn't get lazy and hit volleys in the mid portion of the court, guys like Monfils, Nadal, Djo will eat that up. Deeper or short and in corners works better.

okay im new to this board the quot system is different than others ha..

 

[DarthFed]

Might be the most brutally honest statement you have made recently regarding one of Roger's strokes.

It depends entirely how effective his serving game is, if he isn't getting a high amount of first serves in or hitting good spots serve and volley will wilt. Also, against Monfils its harder to do it every serve, so he should mix it up some, which is what he did later. Of the current players Federer is pretty good at net when he doesn't get lazy and hit volleys in the mid portion of the court, guys like Monfils, Nadal, Djo will eat that up. Deeper or short and in corners works better.

okay im new to this board the quot system is different than others ha..

No problem and welcome to the boards! I may have come off harsh regarding Roger at the net but there are more and more days where he is struggling badly there. Maybe one of the things we can chalk up to age. I do think that Roger's approach shots have gotten better under Edberg, but the actual volleying has been a little inconsistent like what we saw vs. Monfils. Roger came in on good shots and was in position to put away the point but either missed the volley or hit it right back to Monfils. Both breaks Monfils got in the 2nd set came on games where Roger lost 2 or 3 points at net.

I think on clay especially Roger has to pick his moments against the top guys (obviously Monfils isn't one of them). I disagree with the idea that he has to come to net often to have any prayer. I think he has to serve awesome and dominate with the forehand to have a chance.

 

[kro2488]

It depends entirely how effective his serving game is, if he isn't getting a high amount of first serves in or hitting good spots serve and volley will wilt. Also, against Monfils its harder to do it every serve, so he should mix it up some, which is what he did later. Of the current players Federer is pretty good at net when he doesn't get lazy and hit volleys in the mid portion of the court, guys like Monfils, Nadal, Djo will eat that up. Deeper or short and in corners works better.

okay im new to this board the quot system is different than others ha..

No problem and welcome to the boards! I may have come off harsh regarding Roger at the net but there are more and more days where he is struggling badly there. Maybe one of the things we can chalk up to age. I do think that Roger's approach shots have gotten better under Edberg, but the actual volleying has been a little inconsistent like what we saw vs. Monfils. Roger came in on good shots and was in position to put away the point but either missed the volley or hit it right back to Monfils. Both breaks Monfils got in the 2nd set came on games where Roger lost 2 or 3 points at net.

I think on clay especially Roger has to pick his moments against the top guys (obviously Monfils isn't one of them). I disagree with the idea that he has to come to net often to have any prayer. I think he has to serve awesome and dominate with the forehand to have a chance.

I don't think so either, but it can work for him, any chance he gets to come forward or if he can serve a particular opponent well enough to serve and volley he should. All offense or quick transition from defense to offense. don't end up in an endless baseline rally if he can avoid it. The bad volleys I think were a result of not being determined about what he wanted to do, you can't be indecisive.