2014 Roland Garros SF: Nadal vs Murray

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crystalfire

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calitennis127 said:
Well Darth, we don't always disagree. But when it comes to tennis nowadays, the younger generation is so bad and so effeminate that literally every significant event has only 2-4 contenders right now.

At least 5 years ago there were great, entertaining matches to look forward to throughout a tournament. Now there is nothing really until it is Djokovic-Nadal, unless Murray, Federer, or Delpo are having a great week.

yup yup. my interest in watching early rounds of slam has seriously gone down. i expect rafa and djoker to get thru. murray and fed are wildcards and the rest are head cases.
 

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Fiero425 said:
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To be fair, Murray is only knocked off the legit because this was clay and finding game since surgery, so I think for grass there are at least 3 serious contenders.

Agreed. Three, maybe four if Federer is in good enough form. Not to mention, there are way more chances for upsets.

No one more a Fed fan than me; the GOAT regardless of what others may say, but we have to let it go! Like Navratilova, he won't win forever! I see another upset! Martina was of course stronger than Roger and had potential well into her 30's, but she's the anomaly of her generation! He's a marked man now that he has such a large family; I think anyway!

I'd give Roger one more chance at Wimbledon and U.S. If he loses early there then it's probably the end of the road for him even if he does play out the next 2 years.
 

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Rose said:
What happened????? Andy at least took one set off Rafa in Rome and it was close it the last set.
And today nothing!

And I had looked forward so much to this Match and didn't get up in time to watch it :cover

You didn't miss a thing! :nono :nono :angel: :laydownlaughing
 

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andy didn't turn up..lethargic, off the pace, not even really trying to win..no belief. nothing but the void.

that is the worst murray has played in a big match since 2011 AO final.
 

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In these hot conditions, Nadal finds it easy to push Murray around and from there, it's over. I've said this early in the tournament, for all of Andy's terrific defense, his counter-punching is relatively ineffective on clay. Compare what Novak does with the ball when he tracks it down to what Andy does (again, strictly on clay). He seldom reverses rallies around after being dictated, at least against Nadal (which is uncharacteristic when you compare how he plays on other surfaces). So in general, he's forced to be aggressive, something he's not comfortable with on this surface. That's why I don't really think he still knows how to approach playing on clay.

Murray's comments kinda reveal how difficult this match-up is for him on clay, especially in these conditions:

"Today he was hitting extremely hard, extremely heavy, returning well, and was hitting it well on the run,"

"But, again, you can go out there with all the tactics in the world, but when he's hitting the ball like that, it's very difficult to hit the ball where you want to."

"His shot was bouncing incredibly high. It was very difficult to do much with the ball," "His forehand, especially with the conditions the way they were today, was incredibly hard to control.

"Then when I did have the opportunity, I wanted to make a winner or make him run too much, trying to hit too close to the lines, and ended up making a lot of mistakes."

The last couple of quotes sum up this match (other than Murray playing poorly). Nadal's forehand pushes Murray back on clay, whereas on other surfaces he's able to step inside and take it early. And when Murray did try to take it early, he messed up. That's the match in a nutshell.
 

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murray can "take the positives" out of that match, he did win a set..but it was spread over the three sets he lost.
 

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DarthFed said:
Fiero425 said:
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To be fair, Murray is only knocked off the legit because this was clay and finding game since surgery, so I think for grass there are at least 3 serious contenders.

Agreed. Three, maybe four if Federer is in good enough form. Not to mention, there are way more chances for upsets.

No one more a Fed fan than me; the GOAT regardless of what others may say, but we have to let it go! Like Navratilova, he won't win forever! I see another upset! Martina was of course stronger than Roger and had potential well into her 30's, but she's the anomaly of her generation! He's a marked man now that he has such a large family; I think anyway!

I'd give Roger one more chance at Wimbledon and U.S. If he loses early there then it's probably the end of the road for him even if he does play out the next 2 years.

as i fellow fed fan i agree. after USO im done with him. dont expect him to do much in slams. he may still win masters and other tourneys but not slams
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
In these hot conditions, Nadal finds it easy to push Murray around and from there, it's over. I've said this early in the tournament, for all of Andy's terrific defense, his counter-punching is relatively ineffective on clay. Compare what Novak does with the ball when he tracks it down to what Andy does (again, strictly on clay). He seldom reverses rallies around after being dictated, at least against Nadal (which is uncharacteristic when you compare how he plays on other surfaces). So in general, he's forced to be aggressive, something he's not comfortable with on this surface. That's why I don't really think he still knows how to approach playing on clay.

Murray's comments kinda reveal how difficult this match-up is for him on clay, especially in these conditions:

"Today he was hitting extremely hard, extremely heavy, returning well, and was hitting it well on the run,"

"But, again, you can go out there with all the tactics in the world, but when he's hitting the ball like that, it's very difficult to hit the ball where you want to."

"His shot was bouncing incredibly high. It was very difficult to do much with the ball," "His forehand, especially with the conditions the way they were today, was incredibly hard to control.

"Then when I did have the opportunity, I wanted to make a winner or make him run too much, trying to hit too close to the lines, and ended up making a lot of mistakes."

The last couple of quotes sum up this match (other than Murray playing poorly). Nadal's forehand pushes Murray back on clay, whereas on other surfaces he's able to step inside and take it early. And when Murray did try to take it early, he messed up. That's the match in a nutshell.

Do you -- or anyone else -- remember the conditions for their match here in 2011? Was it hot? Cool? Dry? Rainy?

The scoreline was 6-4, 7-5, 6-4, so not a five-set thriller, but not 6-3, 6-2, 6-1, either.
 

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^^ No idea. I remember the conditions were somewhat cool in the Djokovic/Federer match that followed, so I don't think it was that hot.
 

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Murray probably had more hunger to put up a fight against Nadal in 2011. This year, he's reached the semi-finals, gained 720 free points, he's got the grass court swing to look forward to with lots of points to defend, what's motivating him to put in a stellar performance against Rafa which still probably isn't enough to even take a set off him on Chatrier?

In fairness, as much as I was pretty furious at how bad Andy was today, the French Open will remain a bit of a "bonus" slam for him, until he breaks through in Australia. Then Garros becomes his chance to complete the golden slam, his main focus. Of course, he may see it a different way and going by what he has said in the past, he's more interested in amassing more major titles than ticking boxes such as career slams and getting to #1. I still think it won't be until he wins in Melbourne (if he indeed manages to do so one day), that the French becomes one of his top priorities.

I notice there was a brief conversation about how Rafa/Nole dominate every tournament nowadays but that theme has been less prominent this year. Out of two slams and five masters events this will be the third final involving both guys and Stan has taken two of those titles. There's also no reason to believe that Djokovic and (especially) Rafa is a shoe-in for the Wimbledon final either. Both Murray and Federer have achieved much more than both those guys on grass in the last two years so I think we can look forward to a more competitive few tournaments on the grass. It's only really on clay that Rafa/Nole have such a crushing advantage on the field. On hard, they're still the main two guys, but not by as much as on the dirt.
 

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It's like people just give up when they play Nadal at RG.

Nah, I'm just kidding. Nadal GOATed.