2014 Rogers Cup Final: Federer v. Tsonga

[DarthFed]

Eh, Roger wasn't the average 25 year old, so why would he be the average 33 year old. Those who expected him to be bad at this age were not seeing things clearly. He has declined at as quick or quicker pace than most but he had a much larger hill to call down from. 2013 was the outlier...

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Eh, Roger wasn't the average 25 year old, so why would he be the average 33 year old. Those who expected him to be bad at this age were not seeing things clearly. 2013 was the outlier...

are you talking to me ? I did not mention 2013..you are having convo's with yourself

 

[DarthFed]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

 

[Kieran]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

Well, what are you comparing him to? Other 33 year olds? He's prolly the best 33 year old in the history of the sport.

His younger self? Rafa and Nole, who are 5 and 6 years younger?

What's your measuring stick?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Too lazy to look up. Can some one answer the following question.

Since 2005 FO, apart from Big Four only two folks won slams, viz., JMDP in 2009 USO
and Stan the Man in 2014 AO.

My question is what is the corresponding stat for Masters (the nine) during the same
frame. How many Masters were won by folks outside the big four since 2005 FO.

I can recall Nalby winning two, Stan winning one, Soderling winning one,
Tsonga winning two. Are there anyone else that I am missing? Did Roddick win
any during this time frame? Are there any other winners?

 

[Billie]

Didn't Ferrer win Paris 2 years ago or so?

 

[Kieran]

Ferrer won one too, in Paris. I'm a bit lazy to root about for others, but I think there aren't many...

 

[DarthFed]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

Well, what are you comparing him to? Other 33 year olds? He's prolly the best 33 year old in the history of the sport.

His younger self? Rafa and Nole, who are 5 and 6 years younger?

What's your measuring stick?

I'm not comparing him to anyone. Just saying that how he is playing isn't surprising based on the heights he ascended to. if anything some might expect more like being able to dispatch chaps like Tsonga and Wawrinka in finals. Didn't Andre and others win slams at age 33?

 

[Riotbeard]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

Well, what are you comparing him to? Other 33 year olds? He's prolly the best 33 year old in the history of the sport.

His younger self? Rafa and Nole, who are 5 and 6 years younger?

What's your measuring stick?

This is what I am saying. He isn't gonna be perfect, that's it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

If no one else, that is 7 out of 82 masters by others or about 8%.

It is 2 out of 34 in Slams or about 6%

 

[Kieran]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

Well, what are you comparing him to? Other 33 year olds? He's prolly the best 33 year old in the history of the sport.

His younger self? Rafa and Nole, who are 5 and 6 years younger?

What's your measuring stick?

I'm not comparing him to anyone. Just saying that how he is playing isn't surprising based on the heights he ascended to. if anything some might expect more like being able to dispatch chaps like Tsonga and Wawrinka in finals. Didn't Andre and others win slams at age 33?

No, actually. Maybe Connors did, but it's extremely rare. This is a brutal sport and Fed has been at the top a ridiculous amount of time. You don't expect a little wear and tear, combined with opponents getting more daring?

 

[DarthFed]

Too lazy to look up. Can some one answer the following question.

Since 2005 FO, apart from Big Four only two folks won slams, viz., JMDP in 2009 USO
and Stan the Man in 2014 AO.


Berd won one, Roddick and Ljubicic as well.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Just to most posters on here in general who seem shocked that Roger is doing "so well" this year (for those who think he is).

Well, what are you comparing him to? Other 33 year olds? He's prolly the best 33 year old in the history of the sport.

His younger self? Rafa and Nole, who are 5 and 6 years younger?

What's your measuring stick?

I'm not comparing him to anyone. Just saying that how he is playing isn't surprising based on the heights he ascended to. if anything some might expect more like being able to dispatch chaps like Tsonga and Wawrinka in finals. Didn't Andre and others win slams at age 33?

See other thread about roger's problem to know details of Andre's wins in slams.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Berdych won Paris at one point. Roddick may have been in there? I know Haas and Robredo each won Hamburg when it was a Masters event but I believe they both did so before 2005.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

Agassi won ao2003 age 32yrs 8m..

connors last major was usopen1983 age 31yrs 0m.

 

[Moxie]

Too lazy to look up. Can some one answer the following question.

Since 2005 FO, apart from Big Four only two folks won slams, viz., JMDP in 2009 USO
and Stan the Man in 2014 AO.

My question is what is the corresponding stat for Masters (the nine) during the same
frame. How many Masters were won by folks outside the big four since 2005 FO.

I can recall Nalby winning two, Stan winning one, Soderling winning one,
Tsonga winning two. Are there anyone else that I am missing? Did Roddick win
any during this time frame? Are there any other winners?

I'll try to look it up, if no one else does. Good question. (Obviously, JWT was one in 08, too.) After I grade the Challenge.

 

[DarthFed]

Roddick won 2010 Miami and ljubicic won IW 2010, davydenko also won a couple MS events too, thinking Miami 2008 and Shangai 2009 as well as 2009 YEC

 

[herios]

Eh, Roger wasn't the average 25 year old, so why would he be the average 33 year old. Those who expected him to be bad at this age were not seeing things clearly. 2013 was the outlier...

Yeah I agree, however, you forget one thing, he is still bound to have bad days in the office. You already forgot the Nishikori and Chardy loses. Today was one of those. Losing to an outstanding JWT is not as bad as those I just mentioned. At his age, inconsistency is to be expected.
That said, he is way above the average 33 year old.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Since the start of 2005, we've had

Paris 2005 - Berdych
Hamburg 2006 - Robredo
Cincinnati 2006 - Roddick
Paris 2006 - Davydenko
Madrid 2007 - Nalbandian
Paris 2007 - Nalbandian
Miami 2008 - Davydenko
Paris 2008 - Tsonga
Shanghai 2009 - Davydenko
Indian Wells 2010 - Ljubicic
Miami 2010 - Roddick
Paris 2010 - Soderling
Paris 2012 - Ferrer
Monte Carlo 2014 - Wawrinka
Toronto 2014 - Tsonga

Lists on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_Masters_1000#Singles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Masters_Series#Singles

So that's 15 out of 87 tournaments that have not been won by the Big Four since 2005. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray have won ~83% of these tournaments between them in that time frame.

Break down:
Nadal - 31%
Federer - 20%
Djokovic - 22%
Murray - 10%
Rest - 17%

To the nearest %

 

[nehmeth]

HE DID IT! :clap JO DID IT!!

Just got home and checked the scores... very happy.