2014 Aussie Open Final: Nadal vs. Wawrinka

Who ya got: The Matador or the Man?

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brokenshoelace

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Cali's been posting particularly insane stuff this fortnight. Only explanation I have is he literally didn't see the match (and not in that sarcastic "Oh, you must have watched a different match" kind of way. I mean literally didn't watch it and just checked the result).
 

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How could Rafa injure his back in the warm-up?

He must have a gypsy curse on him, that's the only thing I can think of. A Swiss gypsy, no doubt... :nono
 

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Congrats to Stan on a well played Slam you are now a champion buddy. I hope you only improve from here. I have a feeling you will not be like your fellow crew Berdych, Del Po and Tsonga, who make progress and back track.
 
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Pleased for Stan and how he regrouped to close it out, but there might be the usual tendency to overdo the knee-jerk reaction. I don't think he's going to be anyone's patsy going forward but I don't see world domination either.

Stan has been playing wonderfully of late, but it is too early now I think to tell how well he is going to continue to play for the rest of the year. At least he got himself a GS although he could end up joining Andy Roddick as a One Slam Wonder :violins:
 
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How could Rafa injure his back in the warm-up?

He must have a gypsy curse on him, that's the only thing I can think of. A Swiss gypsy, no doubt... :nono

Thanks for that :D It was funny so it helps me feel a little better anyway :heart:
 

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Kieran said:
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It is very refreshing to see someone other than the big four take the crown. Only 6 players since 2005 have managed to accomplish this, so it is a remarkable accomplishment. Hopefully we can start seeing a bit of an openness in the Master series', too. Neither Wawrinka nor Del Potro have won one as of yet.

Been nice reading your posts, TsarMatt, welcome to the forum!

These boys need to take a big step up and to be honest, I'm surprised it's taking others so long. Even a MS title. I hope Stan's achievements here in Oz, including dethroning Novak, but especially holding it together to win the thing, will inspire others to throw a leg at it a bit more, as they say...

Thanks mate.

Yeah, Wawrinka's victory will prove imperative for other players in need for that break. What Stan did was remarkable, though - it was only 3-4 years ago his career seemed rather aimless and on autopilot. He would play very well at times, but would constantly dip in and out of matches, mentally, and would seldom put together a string of consistently great matches. We saw a gradual improvement in 2013 and it has paid off exceedingly well since. It took a lot of hard work, self-belief, and agony to get to this level of tennis (2013 AO defat to Novak left him in tears), but he proved it is possible. His journey was a very symbolic one, and hopefully this becomes a platform for other players aspiring to take it to the next level.

A very interesting and bright day for tennis. Sucks to see Nadal injured, but he will be back in no time.
 

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calitennis127 said:
Just woke up to the score line.

WOW.

A great day for first-strike tennis.

Ah, that explains it. He literally didn't watch the match. Oh well, it isn't the first time you look like an idiot.

PS: Wawrinka outplayed Nadal for the entire first set before Nadal got injured. I'm not trying to distort the story. But seeing you go insane over "YOU'RE BLAMING THIS ON AN INJURY!?!?" without having any idea what happened is typical uninformed nonsense from your part.
 

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In the 2014 edition of the Australian Open Final, Stan Wawrinka was pounding an uninjured Nadal like a drum in the first two sets before Nadal's sudden injury to his back. He was simply overpowering Rafa from both wings, similar to Soderling at the French Open. Nadal had no answers and probably tried to do more than his body could take and unfortunately strained something.

Nadal got some painkillers and recovered enough to hang in there in the 3rd and eventually take it, while Stan's level went down dramatically due to playing a visibly injured player. This happens at all levels about 90% of the time if not more. It's natural, most normal people don't like beating up someone who is hurt. One doesn't know if Stan would have taken it in straight sets without the injury, though likely, he might have been nervous to claim his first major title.

It took about a set for Stan to finally reset himself. It actually probably helped him to focus when Nadal looked better. Then in the 4th set, Wawrinka got back close to his previous form, but was a little nervous when he realized he had a great chance to win. But then he realized he had it on his racquet as Nadal was still having trouble on serve, and he managed to get his level back enough to carry him over the finish line over his reeling opponent.

It was a good match until the injury. Then it was a huge mental struggle for Wawrinka to deal with Nadal's MTO/injury and this unfortunately caused the level of the match to drop.

Congratulations to first time Slam winner Mr. Stanislas Wawrinka, his team, and his fans!
Condolences to Mr. Rafael Nadal, his staff, and supporters. Best wishes for improved health in recovery.

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Actually, in the first set I was surprised Rafa was so tentative. Stan didn't get a first serve in, in the first game, but Rafa didn't get stuck into him. In the 3-5 game, Rafa had him at 0-40 and looked at 3 second serves and didn't give Stan a shot to miss on even one of them. So while Stan was clearly the better player, it was partly due to Rafa just not getting off to a quick start, which I have to say surprised me...
 

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It is baseless speculation to ponder about the "what if Nadal did not get injured" concept. It is essential to stick to facts here, and the facts read that Stan completely outplayed Rafa for a set and a bit. I think that is what we all need to know.
 

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masterclass said:
In the 2014 edition of the Australian Open Final, Stan Wawrinka was pounding an uninjured Nadal like a drum in the first two sets before Nadal's sudden injury to his back.

Actually, the injury occured in the 2nd game of the 2nd set - and maybe even in the warm-up. He wasn't "pounding him like a drum", if you watch the first set closely. It was only one break, and an awful display on return by Rafa. Unfortunately, this kind of thinking will gain legs and before we know it, Rafa will have only gotten the injury during the trophy presentation and Stan will have been channelling Sampras, Laver and Roger Federer throughout the match...
 

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^ Likewise, that kind of thinking shouldn't gain legs either. Wawrinka was redlining and dominating the match, unless you were watching another. Nadal didn't "appear" impeded in the opening stanza (visually) and if you look at the stats on serve speeds, the zip he was getting on both wings during the rallys and his movement then they all plummeted after he creased up in the second set.
 

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Kieran said:
How could Rafa injure his back in the warm-up?

He must have a gypsy curse on him, that's the only thing I can think of. A Swiss gypsy, no doubt... :nono

You must have had deja vu from the 99 USO, when Pete's back was hurt in practice/warm up session.. These guys put so much torque on their backs. You add the pressure of the monumental feat Rafa was on the verge of accomplishing: double career grand slam, 10 straight years of winning at least one major, tying Pete with 14 majors... He may have been extra tight. At least this doesn't sound as bad as the disk injury Pete had...

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britbox said:
^ Likewise, that kind of thinking shouldn't gain legs either. Wawrinka was redlining and dominating the match, unless you were watching another. Nadal didn't "appear" impeded in the opening stanza (visually) and if you look at the stats on serve speeds, the zip he was getting on both wings during the rallys and his movement then they all plummeted after he creased up in the second set.

No he didn't look impeded, and I didn't say Stan wasn't the better player - he obviously was - but he was helped but some timid play by Rafa. I give credit to Stan for his start, but Rafa had chances to break back - good chances - and then they're back on serve after 9 games.

That's not exactly redlining, but Rafa's returns there show clearly who was the better player up to that point...
 

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masterclass said:
In the 2014 edition of the Australian Open Final, Stan Wawrinka was pounding an uninjured Nadal like a drum in the first two sets before Nadal's sudden injury to his back.

A set and 2 games you mean. An important distinction. A set is significantly longer than 2 games. At worst, it's 4 games longer. And given that I highly doubt Wawrinka would have bageled Nadal, I suspect there was much more than that to be played in that set. Wawrinka was pounding Nadal for a set and 2 games. Which in a best of 5 set match, isn't even close to halfway.
 

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Tennis Miller said:
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How could Rafa injure his back in the warm-up?

He must have a gypsy curse on him, that's the only thing I can think of. A Swiss gypsy, no doubt... :nono

You must have had deja vu from the 99 USO, when Pete's back was hurt in practice/warm up session.. These guys put so much torque on their backs. You add the pressure of the monumental feat Rafa was on the verge of accomplishing: double career grand slam, 10 straight years of winning at least one major, tying Pete with 14 majors... He may have been extra tight. At least this doesn't sound as bad as the disk injury Pete had...

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Thanks TM.

Oh, I remember that back injury to Pete very well. He'd been great during the summer hards, then injured himself training with Kuerten. An upside was, he took a holiday and while away he met his future wife... ;)
 

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Kieran said:
Actually, in the first set I was surprised Rafa was so tentative. Stan didn't get a first serve in, in the first game, but Rafa didn't get stuck into him. In the 3-5 game, Rafa had him at 0-40 and looked at 3 second serves and didn't give Stan a shot to miss on even one of them. So while Stan was clearly the better player, it was partly due to Rafa just not getting off to a quick start, which I have to say surprised me...

This is true. 9 times out of 10 Nadal would have broken Stan at that 0-40 game, but he seemed to sccumond to the pressure. Stan's second serve ball placement was pretty good, though.
 

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TsarMatt said:
It is baseless speculation to ponder about the "what if Nadal did not get injured" concept. It is essential to stick to facts here, and the facts read that Stan completely outplayed Rafa for a set and a bit. I think that is what we all need to know.

A full match never lasts a set and a bit unless someone withdraws. So it's only normal to speculate about what was going to happen.

I know people are sensitive to injuries here, but this is one incident in which it's fair to discuss what could have been.
 

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Also, I like how we're talking more about Wawrinka's mental struggle to deal with Nadal's injury over...Nadal's physical AND mental struggle to deal with his own injury. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure Stan had it the easier of the two :)