World Tour Finals: Day 5, Thursday Nov. 13, Order of Play

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the irony of that obliteration at the o2 starting off 0-30 to andy on fedsters serve..

murray won almost all of his points in the entire match right there.
 

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Federer is too old to compete with the up-and-coming generation of immensely talented players.
 

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JesuslookslikeBorg said:
the irony of that obliteration at the o2 starting off 0-30 to andy on fedsters serve..

murray won almost all of his points in the entire match right there.

I'm pretty sure I said Murray's tongue would be hanging out of his mouth playing so many weeks in a row! Sure, he won a couple small titles to make the WTF, but it might have been better to skip it looking this bad losing in straight sets to Roger and Kei! It was truly ugly; maybe Nadal had a lot more sense to skip it! :nono :puzzled :dodgy:
 

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In view of today's match, I think Federer will be nominated for the humanitarian award of
ATP next year. :snigger
 

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tented said:
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first time since their first match that Roger has led the h2h I think

I think you're right. And what a win to turn that around!

Not true; after their very first match Fed led the h2h as it was 1-0. :snigger
 

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murray has lost all 9 matches he played this year v fedalovic. if he cannot regain his 2008-13 form by next Wimbledon prob we can say murray is in terminal decline,

by then he'll be 28yrs old and 2yrs since he was last awesome.
 

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:puzzled

Has anyone seen Mauresmo after today's debacle??
 

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JesuslookslikeBorg said:
Murray has lost all 9 matches he played this year v Fedalovic. If he can't regain his 2008-13 form by next Wimbledon prob we can say Murray is in terminal decline. By then he'll be 28 yrs old and 2 yrs since he was last awesome.

Playing this way, counter-punching, I say he way "over-achieved!" He had a nice run mid summer to the end of the following and won all his major titles in quick succession; counting OG! I'm sure I've said there are players like Murray and Nadal that will shorten their careers playing like that so I'm shocked he hasn't had problems sooners! Heaven knows Rafa's been a mess over the years coming and going often enough!
 

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Transcript of Murray's post-match interview:

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. That must have been pretty tough to get through. Can you remember a harder night on court than that?

ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, it was a tough night. I mean, yeah, I've lost slam finals and stuff, which has been very tough. But in terms of the way the match went, yeah, it was not ideal from my side of the court - far from it.

Q. How much of it tonight was down to your own performance and how much was it down to Roger's?

ANDY MURRAY: Well, he played exceptionally well. That's for sure. I mean, I can say I'm disappointed with my level tonight. But if I played well, he probably still would have won anyway.
He was playing very well. He was striking the ball very, very clean. After the first few games of the match, yeah, he played exceptionally well. Made very few mistakes. Was hitting the ball off the middle of the racquet on serve, returns. He maybe didn't hit his first serve as well as he can, but apart from that everything else was very clean.

Q. At the end of the match he was two points from winning 6 0, 6 0. Did you care about him not doing that? Did you sense he wanted to do that? Was it bothering you he was continuing to hit dropshots, running around second serve returns all the way to the end?

ANDY MURRAY: Obviously, 6 Love, 6 Love, I mean, that's never happened to me in my career. I don't think 6 Love, 6 1 has maybe happened once to me before, obviously not often. So, yeah, it's very disappointing, especially in a match like that.
I would have obviously hoped to have done a lot better than that. It wasn't what I was looking for when I went on the court.
In terms of the nature of the match, when he's extremely loose like he was tonight, he was obviously through in the group, he was able to, yeah, maybe try some shots that he might not try in other situations.
But everything he tried tonight came off. He has the ability to do that.

Q. When the games are going so quickly, what sort of things do you try and do to get a foothold in the match?

ANDY MURRAY: Just try and win the point, try and set a target of, you know, winning points. Try and win two points in a row rather than trying to focus on, Okay, I want to get this game. You just try and, yeah, set smaller goals than that. That's basically it.

Q. Does a defeat like that do any damage to your confidence, especially as it's the last match of the year? Do you put it aside as I've lost a match and move on?

ANDY MURRAY: I won't be able to tell you that until I start the next year. I'm obviously not going to play again until then.
But it's not a nice way to finish the year. But, I mean, I know there's obviously a lot for me to work on now. I didn't feel like I was playing that badly going into the match. I'd had some good wins the last few weeks. You know, had played decent against Milos.
So obviously in that respect I know I'm going to have to put in a lot of work on the tennis court, a lot of work in on my game. If I want to start the season, you know, with an opportunity to win in Australia, I'm going to have to put in a lot of work, that's for sure.

Q. Is there any sense in looking back at this game and trying to analyze it or is it such a freakish match that you're better off trying to forget it as quickly as possible?

ANDY MURRAY: I'm not going to try and forget it, no. When I think about what happened, I'll try to use it I'm not saying I'm not ever going to look at that match positively, but I need to use it as whatever. If it's motivation for the off season, you know, to make some changes to things.
Whatever it is, clearly I need to make some adjustments to my game. Yeah, that's the one positive is that I now have six, seven weeks before the next tournament. I have time to work on some stuff.

Q. Obviously you haven't been in a lot of matches that have gone that way on the scoreboard. What does it feel like when that's happening? Is it surreal, confusing, frustrating, embarrassing?

ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I would say it's frustrating. Yeah, that would be the one word that I would use, yeah, to describe it. I mean, there's some matches you can maybe look on where you might have behaved badly, you know, felt like you hadn't given your best effort or whatever, maybe be embarrassed about that.
But I was trying tonight. You know, I tried from the first point through until the last. So it's very frustrating when that's happening to you, obviously, when you're trying to give your best effort.

Q. I went through your heavy defeats in the past. You lost 11 times 6 0, but you were not matching in the following match after those defeats. You lost 6 1, 6 0 to Djokovic in Miami in 2007, semifinal. Since then, in 2008, you always played well. You shouldn't be too worried about tonight.

ANDY MURRAY: Thank you.

Q. How do you feel it now?

ANDY MURRAY: Thank you.
I mean, the match against Novak was a bit different. I was a bit injured, that match. There was nothing wrong with me at all this evening. Slightly different in that respect. And also in these conditions, too, indoors, normally you would be hoping to hold serve more than once.
Yeah, I hope the beginning of next year doesn't start off like that. I'll do everything I can the next seven weeks to make sure that I'm better prepared, you know, to compete with the best players.

Q. I appreciate it's only just finished, but how do you sum up your season?

ANDY MURRAY: The first three, four months were tough. You know, it was hard. Going through surgery isn't easy. Maybe I didn't appreciate that so much at the time. I found it quite frustrating at the beginning of the year. But then once I accepted that it's a hard thing to go through, and obviously in the middle of that period I switched obviously stopped working with Ivan. The first three, four months were difficult.
But then, you know, after that, I've had a couple tough losses this year. The French Open and Wimbledon, I played well, but when I got to the semis of the French and the quarters of Wimbledon, I didn't feel like I played well.
Obviously tonight is another example where, you know, I'm disappointed with those matches. I don't want to play matches like that obviously.
But mixed in with those matches was some good tennis. The last six weeks were good. Obviously some good wins.
Yeah, it's been a hard year. But, you know, it's something that I've had to go through. You know, I'll look back on it, and I've definitely learnt a lot this year about my body, you know, what it's like to come back from a tough, tough surgery. It's not easy. It gives you more I don't know. I'll spend more time, I always spend a lot of time, but more time taking care of my body, making sure I don't have to go through that again, because that's tough.

Q. Andy, you're 0 9 against Roger, Novak and Rafa. How far off their level do you feel you are at this point?

ANDY MURRAY: Well, after tonight that's quite clear. Quite a long way from that level.
But a lot can change in a matter of weeks and months in tennis. You know, Roger is a good example of that. Obviously last year he was having some struggles and some tough times with his body and whatnot. You know, a lot of questions were asked about him. He's responded and gone into the last tournament of the year with an opportunity to get to No. 1.
There's guys that have, I don't know, Raonic, Nishikori, I was hearing some figures and stats of their results against top 10 players before this year, and then you get a bit of confidence, things can change very quickly in sport.
I'm not happy to finish the year with that record, obviously. But hopefully next year, if I get the right work done now, I can get myself off to a good start next year. Yeah, over five sets, you know, I tend to play I would say better tennis in my career. I hope that come Australia I'll be a much better player.

Q. Between now and the International Tennis League, what is your plan? Davis Cup next week. Will you switch off completely?

ANDY MURRAY: Ross' wedding the next weekend. I'm the best man at his wedding. I have that next weekend. I don't know exactly what I'm going to do. But I would normally take a break just now. But I also need time to work on some things in my game and make improvements. So if I was to take a two week break just now, that's 14 days where I can't work on my game, make any changes in that period.
I'll try to get back on the practice court probably sooner than I would have done.
 

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Federer's post-match interview:

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Tonight it was too perfect from your part and Murray was not there? What is your opinion of such a match?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, I think the surface here doesn't forgive much. I think if there's a slight difference of the level from the baseline, hard to get out of it. We've seen it all week. The serve doesn't have that much impact.
I didn't even necessarily serve so well. But you got to play the right way here, use the court to your advantage as much as you can.
But I had the upper hand from the baseline, which hasn't always happened against him. But I definitely was able to play on my terms. For me, things went very well. I was able to put Andy under pressure very often, and I think the match couldn't have gone any better for me really.

Q. One professional player once said you're only in the zone two or three times a year. Do you agree with that? Were you in the zone tonight?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Definitely had a few occasions where I felt like this is a good night. This is definitely one of them. But at the same time I also don't think Andy played his very best. It wasn't a finals. It was a round robin. I had already qualified after the first set. He was already out. The circumstances were not quite the same.
Nevertheless, it's a big opportunity, huge arena, with a very even head to head. We've had tough matches in the past. It's a match you don't want to lose. That's why I kept pushing for it and tried to get to the finish line as quick as I could.

Q. You were the only one the other night who said actually this surface probably is the reason for these straight, easy matches. How do you explain it? Last year you had the same surface. Is there something you notice that has really changed?

ROGER FEDERER: No, it's the same. It's just matchups.

Q. Why last year didn't this happen and this year it's happening?

ROGER FEDERER: Because of the matchups, depending on who plays whom, how the players are in shape. If there's a bit too big of a gap between the two players, next thing you know, it's a blowout.
Don't know why that is. I guess it's just too easy returning second serves here. It's hard to get free points off the second serve. Yeah, that's what it is. That's how it feels anyway.

Q. What does it feel being up 6 0, 5 0 on one of your toughest rivals?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, not so cool because I wouldn't want to be in that position. I was happy to get it done. At the end I was happy I didn't win the second to last game to be quite honest.
Yeah, it's uncomfortable. I don't know. I don't like it.

Q. You said a few times this week you were glad to see that Andy had found a good run of form since the US Open. What do you sense with him? Is it a confidence thing still when he plays the top three guys?

ROGER FEDERER: I think he played Djokovic a ton as of late. I don't know how he played Rafa.

Q. The French was the last time.

ROGER FEDERER: Okay. Yeah, that's Rafa's battleground. So, I mean, yeah, I think he's definitely had to work very hard to come back to a level that he's happy with.
But if I can compare just slightly to me, because I guess we've had some similar issues in the last couple of years. You just tend to be up and down, especially against the top players. There's just that little bit of doubt maybe that you need to play unbelievably well and the other guy you hope he doesn't play his best. Only then maybe you can get it done.
Maybe he has those kind of confidence issues. I went through exactly the same last year. It's like an up and down battle. Every point is complicated. Every day is complicated. At the same time you do have your good days, you have your okay days. But they're not so often.
So I think the off season is going to be big for Andy. I'm confident for him that next year he's going to be much more solid throughout, he's going to be happier in the process, and he's going to be playing better tennis.

Q. There's obviously a lot going on for you this weekend and next weekend. How do you manage to control the anxiety, if there is any? Do you feel like there's a huge chance because you still haven't won the Davis Cup yet?

ROGER FEDERER: Haven't won anything yet. It all looks very nice right now as we speak, but who knows in the next 10 days how bad it's going to get.
I'm aware of that. Moods change very quickly. I hope it's going to be a tough and long weekend. Not just an not 1 hour 10, me getting blown off the court, 6 3, 6 3 match.
I'm realistic. I know that only the big match is coming up now. I've been very pleased how I've played the last few months. Unbelievably happy how the round robin has gone because I did expect it to be much tougher than it ended up being. I lost to Raonic in Paris. Kei has shown nice form. So has Andy.
I'm very pleased how things have gone. But this is now the business end. This is where I want to play my best and finish already a very good season I've had to make it a great season.
So next 10 days are going to be very big for me. I'm aware of that. I'm happy to get a day's rest tomorrow and lock my mind into the next 10 days. This is going to be my last break, so to speak.

Q. There's quite a good chance you could play Stan in the semifinals. How good would that be to play him here, especially of playing with him at the Davis Cup?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I don't know what he needs to do to win. I just hope he beats Cilic and makes it somehow, whatever that scenario is. I'd love to play against Stan here in the semis. It would be historic for us to make it for a second consecutive year into the semis. If we play each other, it's a good thing that one of us is going to go to the finals.
It's an extra match for Stan, in particular. It's an opportunity for both of us to play a quality match ahead of Davis Cup.
But honestly Davis Cup is so far away in my mind right now. We care about playing very well here. I'm very happy I'm getting to play an extra match because I want to arrive in France with a lot of matches in my legs. I wouldn't want it any other way.
I'm happy that Stan has also picked up his level. I hope he can qualify and make it special for the weekend.

Q. Very unusual event for fans. They only get one singles match per session. They've all been very short. Is there anything the tournament can do to give people a better show?

ROGER FEDERER: I don't know if the people are disappointed or sad or whatever it is. But I don't think they are. True tennis fans are not because they know it can happen. Can't make it best of five on the guys. It would be too tough. There is doubles. Doubles is fun. They put on a great show.
I think the tournament organizers try everything to make this an unbelievable place. I mean, the venue is fantastic. Still the fans are going to come.
I hope that you guys don't kill it, you know, because you guys have a bit of a say in this. Don't write negative about it because we've seen some good tennis. If you write too much about it, then we might see a reaction. But if you guys stay positive, it would be very helpful. So thank you (smiling).
 

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I've never been interested in interviews; either side looks ridiculous! I'm offended by most journalist who are well educated, highly regarded intellectually by people, but they always ask the most inane and stupid questions! "I'm just asking what an average Joe might want to know!" Yeah, I would really harp on how someone got skunked; "how do you feel mate? Tell us how it hurts!" Idiots! Then you have the players who don't want to be there; even though they may have won a huge match! They have to be restrained and give their opponent all kinds of disingenuous praise, when you know they hate each other's guts! These interviews can only hurt a player in my eyes; sorta like when the Williams' would say they beat themselves, not their opponent!
 

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Carrilo and Big 4. I would bet never did one of top 4 lose with winning just one game.
 

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Mile said:
Carrilo and Big 4. I would bet never did one of top 4 lose with winning just one game.

It happens to everyone; out of the blue! I remember a final at Forest Hills after the USO had left! Nastase and Gerulaitus were playing and Vitas beat Ilie 0 & 1 on clay! Ilie's game winning shot was an impossible angle at the net practically going parallel to the net; the only way to win points then! Vitas was in the zone and Ilie was at the end of his career!
 

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Mile said:
Carrilo and Big 4. I would bet never did one of top 4 lose with winning just one game.

Not just Carillo. This has been a term embraced by the media following tennis. And it was justified for a few years. But when is not true anymore, they should stop harping on it. And they did not so far.
Also, here on this forum it was used widely by the posters. Just a year ago the predictions for 2014 were 100% predicted their sweep of slams.
Nobody predicted Wawrinka, Tsonga or Cilic winning any big events.
This is food for thought when we will start predicting for next year.
 

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calitennis127 said:
Federer is too old to compete with the up-and-coming generation of immensely talented players.

But isn't he doing just that right now? The guy is number 2 in the rankings after all..
 

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^ He's being sarcastic. He is on the "a player never gets old and is never out of his prime" bandwagon. Thankfully there aren't too many of those preachers left on these boards.
 

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Poor Andy, poor Amélie, poor Iona....