Wimbledon 2017 QF: Federer - Raonic

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Good man, Rodge. Didn't get to watch even 1 minute of it but nice work. Berdych could actually be tough here as could Cilic if he's the finalist. Hopefully Roger will seize the opportunity. To quote Kevin Levrone: "we got this, baby! Shaaaaaaaboooom!"
 

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Yeah...because this may be it, you know...As much as Roger keeps surprising us, how long can he do it?
Cilic is scaring me though...I still have nightmares about that US Open semi where he flat out demolished Roger. Obviously there is Novak before that but whatever ;-):
True. Cilic has the game to beat Federer, like he did at the US Open, where he played very aggressively. Berdych can also trouble Federer if he can serve well and attack the net.
 

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Didn't see it but hugely impressive to come through Milos in straights with him serving at 72%. Feds serve numbers were great too, always tough to beat him on grass when he serves well.
 

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One match at a time. Berd can definitely be tough, he should've beat Roger at Miami this year and he figured to be one of the few with more than a puncher's chance at beating him this tourney.
 
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What a clinic? I am afraid that if I take couple of minutes to post a message here, the match might be over by then.

Since I posted this message, the match became slightly competitive with TMF being forced to save 5 break points in third set and also coming back from double break down in TB.

However, after the first match against Dog, this is the first time that Roger won a match without getting broken at this Wimbledon.
In all other matches he was broken once (and only once).
 

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No time for complacency. Berdych has beaten Federer at Big stages such as Wimbledon, USO and Olympics. He is playing good. Also, Cilic can be very dangerous when he plays lights out tennis. But, TMF respects everyone and so will come prepared.
 

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Berdych is a small threat (much more than the zero threat much folks may think) and Cilic is a HUGE threat. It is one of those cases, where, if Federer eventually wins, people will look down at it later and say, "oh, but he did not have to face any of the big 4", neglecting the fact that the guy (Cilic) is the one who is actually playing better than all the rest. Given everything that is at stake, if both make the final I would say that it is close to a coin toss...
 

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Great win for Roger - and I think he proved his point: If he wasn't injured last year - no way would Raonic have won.

On to Berdcych...who'll have to play his best from the get go or he'll go home in 3 sets, too. And why is it the oldest guy in the draw is the only one who hasn't dropped a set?
 
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Berdych is a small threat (much more than the zero threat much folks may think) and Cilic is a HUGE threat. It is one of those cases, where, if Federer eventually wins, people will look down at it later and say, "oh, but he did not have to face any of the big 4", neglecting the fact that the guy (Cilic) is the one who is actually playing better than all the rest. Given everything that is at stake, if both make the final I would say that it is close to a coin toss...

You're probably right, but it's one thing to go out and zone in a final against Nishikori. It's a different thing to do it facing Roger in his back yard. For me this whole thing will rest on Roger's return of serve. If he's working that ok, then it's going to be a horror show for Cilic
 

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You're probably right, but it's one thing to go out and zone in a final against Nishikori. It's a different thing to do it facing Roger in his back yard. For me this whole thing will rest on Roger's return of serve. If he's working that ok, then it's going to be a horror show for Cilic

Yes, actually Cilic would have a better chance of beating Fed in SF than in F at Wimbledon.
 

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You're probably right, but it's one thing to go out and zone in a final against Nishikori. It's a different thing to do it facing Roger in his back yard. For me this whole thing will rest on Roger's return of serve. If he's working that ok, then it's going to be a horror show for Cilic

I really, really, really hope you are right. And please, if that's case, come back and quote my post saying "I told you" a thousand times. I will surely not be bothered just one bit...
 

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I really, really, really hope you are right. And please, if that's case, come back and quote my post saying "I told you" a thousand times. I will surely not be bothered just one bit...

Amen buddy! I just think Cilic still has some mental fragility and if things don't start well for him, he could disappear quickly. I'm more worried about getting past Berd-man. The finals will be tough for anyone against Roger, because of crowds and it being their first time. If Roger starts off well it should be a cruise. Semis is a whole different ball game
 

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Amen buddy! I just think Cilic still has some mental fragility and if things don't start well for him, he could disappear quickly. I'm more worried about getting past Berd-man. The finals will be tough for anyone against Roger, because of crowds and it being their first time. If Roger starts off well it should be a cruise. Semis is a whole different ball game

I still see Cilic as the bigger threat by a good margin. Berd is dangerous but Cilic has the better all around game and more that can trouble Fed even if he's playing decent. But one step at a time. Querrey clearly shouldn't be taken lightly. I know it's 3 straight five-setters but today barely counts given the bakery he opened the last couple sets.
 

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I still see Cilic as the bigger threat by a good margin. Berd is dangerous but Cilic has the better all around game and more that can trouble Fed even if he's playing decent. But one step at a time. Querrey clearly shouldn't be taken lightly. I know it's 3 straight five-setters but today barely counts given the bakery he opened the last couple sets.

If you're saying that had Roger played Cilic in the semi instead of Berd that it would be more of a threat then yes I agree. But he ain't (potentially) facing Cilic in the semi. Facing Roger in a final is a whole different ball game. And I'm not sure that Cilic has proved he has the gonads for it yet. He might, but he's not proved it to me
 

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Didn't see it but hugely impressive to come through Milos in straights with him serving at 72%. Feds serve numbers were great too, always tough to beat him on grass when he serves well.
Grass?! ;)
 
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Berdych is a small threat (much more than the zero threat much folks may think) and Cilic is a HUGE threat. It is one of those cases, where, if Federer eventually wins, people will look down at it later and say, "oh, but he did not have to face any of the big 4", neglecting the fact that the guy (Cilic) is the one who is actually playing better than all the rest. Given everything that is at stake, if both make the final I would say that it is close to a coin toss...

If Roger ends up winning his 19th Slam I think there will be some people who'll say, "But he didn't have to beat Nadal, Djokovic or Murrary" but there'll be a lot more people who'll say, "How is it possible that of those 4 guys - he's the oldest but still the last one standing?" Even in 5 year Slam drought - he was still in semis and finals. He's had 2 injuries in the last 5 years - but he's still right there in the mix at nearly every Slam. I think that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle of him not winning the titles those 5 years - he was still there with a shot and just didn't get past younger guys in their prime. Now they're ALL over 30 and injured or returning from injury but he's the only one of the Big 4 left in the tourney.
 

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I don't think I've seen Fed this prepared and ready as this Wimbledon in many years. It's not that Berdych, Cilic or Querrey can't upset him but I think it's highly unlikely. Berdych can test Fed but that match up is in Fed's favor for several reasons and I think he will be exploited in ways that Fed can do. Last year Fed came back from sets down to beat Cilic and he was far from his best and physically limited. I don't believe Sam if he gets to the final can really hurt Fed in best of 5 sets.
 

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There is no question that Bird in Semi and Cough drop in finals (the status quo) is much better option for Fed than the other way around (Cough drop in semi and Bird in finals).