Who is the best player in 2016 season?

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In 1989 Lendl was the ATP year-end No. 1 but there is a consensus that Becker was the best player.

This year there is a strong possibility that Murray will clinch the ATP year-end No. 1 with general agreement that Djokovic is the best.

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^ Agreed. Djokovic has the most slam wins this year and the most MS wins. Not everyone will agree but IMO if someone wins the most slams in a year that automatically means they had the best year. Djokovic will like to forget the last 6 months but with 2 slams including the career/Nole slam he obviously had a great year overall.
 

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should've done that list after this masters has finished.. seeing as the results during it have led to a rank change.

djoko is now 61-8, murray 72-9. with the final still to go..if muzzo wins its a 3rd masters,

Djokovic was hurt by early wimby exit n terms of points and Djokovic best other countables results is inferior to andy, in fact djoko hasn't played enough. not playing any pre Wimbledon tennis prob led in part to early wimb exit as well as burn out from French open. djoko was light on 500s played, and its also cost him his no1 rank, by 5 or 10pts so i heard.

best year ??..dunno.
 
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If Andy wins Paris and the World Tour Finals it becomes pretty close as 1 Slam+Olympic Gold+3 Masters+WTF+more smaller tournament wins in my opinion is on par with 2 Slams+4 Masters but without the WTF the Gold Medal and some additional wins at 500s definitely wouldn't be enough to compensate for Novak's 1 more Slam and 1 or 2 more Masters.
 

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^ Agreed. Djokovic has the most slam wins this year and the most MS wins. Not everyone will agree but IMO if someone wins the most slams in a year that automatically means they had the best year. Djokovic will like to forget the last 6 months but with 2 slams including the career/Nole slam he obviously had a great year overall.
Not to forget that the ITF named Djokovic the World Champion in 2013, even though Nadal had 2 Majors to Djokovic's one, and Rafa finished the year ranked #1. I would caution Djokovic fans on that one. (Obviously not talking to you here, Twisted.) Some years are close, and folks will parse the various trophies. Murray is #1 on points, atm. Good on him, and long-coming. Novak knows what he has to do, if he want to get back the ranking. Also, still possible that the ITF will declare him World Champion for the year. #pyhrricvictory?
 
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If Andy wins Paris and the World Tour Finals it becomes pretty close as 1 Slam+Olympic Gold+3 Masters+WTF+more smaller tournament wins in my opinion is on par with 2 Slams+4 Masters but without the WTF the Gold Medal and some additional wins at 500s definitely wouldn't be enough to compensate for Novak's 1 more Slam and 1 or 2 more Masters.


this is also my thinking.

while ranking by itself IS a credit worthy of standing and SHOULD be acknowledged on its own merits -- it is STILL one of distinct merits that comprise a YEAR of demonstrated excellence.

what i mean is:

a player can have the highest points by means of winning matches and titles...and become number one -- it stands on its own merits. and YET we have seen number ones who did not have majors and therefore it showed that in the light of the FULL year of accomplishments...there were many other things that many other number ones possessed - namely majors, masters, a certain qualitative ''dominance'' ACROSS the competitive field...

there were for example - marcelo rios - a number one but could not be completely accepted because he lacked MAJORS.
or of course caroline wozniacki as number one for a PROLONGED period WITHOUT a major to this day.

it is an example then that these are CATEGORIES that are distinct

having MAJORS is a category,
being number ONE is a category
having a great number of MASTERS is a category
being dominant against most of the rivals is a category

ANY OF THESE can stand on their own WITHOUT having the other categories in which one is considered ''the best" in THAT category.

this is why there are VERY FEW great players who are BOTH OR A COMBINATION

of those categories.

NOVAK DJOKOVIC is one of them in history, andy murray is not YET.

NOVAK possesses multiple majors, career slam - far beyond andy\s and is now quite on par with NADAL in amount of the biggest titles

majors, masters and being number one for years and sheer dominance against rivals for a prolonged period.

now that is 'over" as number one -- for the moment - i'ts been just a day, really.

it's andy's turn to also CONFIRM -- so to say -- that being number one is also further cemented by winning this title tomorrow and/or winning the ATP finals to give it closure --

to cap his WIMBLEDON, GOLD MEDAL as the outstanding credential of his being number one to OVERCOME

DJOKOVIC'S own qualitative standing , previously as of today, for being number one of not JUST the great part of the year but of a year FOLLOWING 2 and a half PREVIOUS years CONTINUOUSLY without let-up with such sheer dominance over the field AND his greatest rivals...

andy does not quite have THAT qualitative - CONSISTENT stature - even AS a new number one. it has to be FOLLOWED UP by even MORE FROM this day forward.

so --

i agree that unless ANDY does win both this title tomorrow and the AT tour -- the number one rank from today - while TRULY deserved - can not YET RAISE HIM on the par as ''best player of the year"

with NOVAK.

because one must remember that becoming number one today by andy FOLLOWS a VERY HEAVY , BIG body OF ACCOMPLISHMENT by novak of already 3 years continuously -
which has ''ended" today - yes - quite less than wished for from novak's side -- BUT CONTAINING 2 majors, completing the career slam (and even MORE rare occurrence than being number one ) ..

and just to drive the point home -- the most MASTERS won in the entire history of the men's game...

these were accomplished in 2016 by nole. and THAT -- even with the GOLD OLYMPICS (WHICH we must recall did NOT require FIVE SET matches in the lead-up rounds and so ''number of sets won" is a CONDITION that also must be taken into account as much as the ''nationalism" pressure can be) --

to make it clearer -- NO ONE will ever call MONICA PUIG the ''best player of the year" -- OVER ANGELIQUE kerber unless monica won at least ONE major - plus a few other things in some other category of qualitative merit.

the same applies - although in a much closer ''contest" with novak -- for ANDY MURRAY to be named

WITHOUT qualification as the 'best player of the year'.

it should rather - for now -- be said

ANDY MURRAY is the best player of the SECOND half of the year. where NOLE is the best right up to the FRENCH OPEN.

and everyone knows that IF there was NO olympic year -- as are most years --

2 majors plus number one rank until YESTERDAY , plus career slam, plus most masters, plus most dominant streak following years of dominance streak - including against best rivals -

does NOT make a player 'SECOND BEST" -- IN FACT - REGARDLESS OF the number one from TODAY -- AND WINNING ATP == should andy win it -- but were the olympic not there - but just

ONE MAJOR, top rank from november 5 2016,ATP championship

will STILL not be enough to match

with 2 majors, career, slam, most masters, dominance against rivals, of Novak.

it's pretty clear really.

so -- there IS A need for andy to CEMENT his number one by winning tomorrow -- or at the very LEAST - winning ATP title next week.

if not -- he will be number ONE in RANK- but not completely ''best player of the year" he will hve to share that with the 'new number TWO -- NOVAK".
 

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For the sake of the internet and those of us who will argue forever, I agree that Andy needs to win tomorrow, and solidify by winning the YEC. He's spent so much of his career as the also-ran. This is his chance to put a stamp on it. ¡Vamos, Andy!
 

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In 1989 Lendl was the ATP year-end No. 1 but there is a consensus that Becker was the best player.

This year there is a strong possibility that Murray will clinch the ATP year-end No. 1 with general agreement that Djokovic is the best.

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IN THE YEAR 1999 --

ANDRE AGASSI ENDED THE YEARS A WORLD NUMBER ONE...

he won:

australian open - french open completing the career slam --

and rose to number one at THAT point.

then he reached the finals in wimbledon and lost to pete sampras who barely played that year..

ANDRE after finals said this:

"i know about all the rankings of course -- i've just won and finished the CAREER SLAM -- and the computer says i AM NUMBER ONE --

BUT SOMEHOW -- UNLESS I BEAT PETE - ESPECIALLY IN WIMBLEDON -- it DOESN'T feel LIKE i am number one".

Somehow pete regained the rank by ATP year-end after pulling out from USO and making a comeback in the ATP - again, after

'BEING humiliated out there by andre in the first round robin -- i know i had to do something in the finals"

and won.

SO there ARE many qualitative factors.

in THIS YEAR -- with its own mix of factors - imo -- NOVAK remains, until andy proves otherwise next week -- the best player of the year...

as number ONE then or number 2 NOW.
 

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For the sake of the internet and those of us who will argue forever, I agree that Andy needs to win tomorrow, and solidify by winning the YEC. He's spent so much of his career as the also-ran. This is his chance to put a stamp on it. ¡Vamos, Andy!

we do have to wish him well, EFFORT is important and if it can bring the results aimed for -- then it must be rewarded with well-deserved support. i agree.
 
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For the sake of the internet and those of us who will argue forever, I agree that Andy needs to win tomorrow, and solidify by winning the YEC. He's spent so much of his career as the also-ran. This is his chance to put a stamp on it. ¡Vamos, Andy!

but IF he WINS only ONE of these - tomorrow's or only the ATP

in your view is it good enough?

for me - it is a bit hard -- although i want to be 'generous' and just ''give it' to andy for his second half of year performance which IS difficult in its own way after all - that can be a WORTHY RIVAL to what nole has done in the first six months.
 

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I also agree with you that the best player at the first half of this year was Novak, and the 2nd half has been Andy. The fine points we'll always argue. But Murray got to #1 and, as I've said before, I'm not sure how long a better player has waited for it, so, well-done and well-earned.
 

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In 1989 Lendl was the ATP year-end No. 1 but there is a consensus that Becker was the best player.

This year there is a strong possibility that Murray will clinch the ATP year-end No. 1 with general agreement that Djokovic is the best.

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oh MY -- even i that follows them closely am quite IMPRESSED by the DEPTH of NOVAK'S dominance by comparison. granted that it has sputtered a bit in for half a year now.

but that record is just too hard to ignore - even for those of us that DO admire ANDY very much too.

- JUST on PURE numbers and what THEY represent -- no question in my mind -- NOVAK is and remains the best player of the year.
 

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but IF he WINS only ONE of these - tomorrow's or only the ATP

in your view is it good enough?

for me - it is a bit hard -- although i want to be 'generous' and just ''give it' to andy for his second half of year performance which IS difficult in its own way after all - that can be a WORTHY RIVAL to what nole has done in the first six months.
Firstly, if he wins on points, it is what it is. If he loses tomorrow, and wins the YEC, I'd be fine. I'd actually be shocked if he loses to Isner tomorrow. If they end up in the final together at the O2, we may all decide that it's for the year, regardless of points. That would be the showdown, and what we'll all likely hope for. If Andy stays on a roll, he wins the year, and Novak has to regroup for 2017. That's because the 1st half is gone, and momentum is everything.
 

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I also agree with you that the best player at the first half of this year was Novak, and the 2nd half has been Andy. The fine points we'll always argue. But Murray got to #1 and, as I've said before, I'm not sure how long a better player has waited for it, so, well-done and well-earned.


ONE THING is sure -- whether we argue for or against ''full compliment" to andy - however he ends the year and confirms today's rank with winning or not winning ATP ending..

AS NUMBER ONE -- on the strength of HIS own achievements (the gold and DEFENDING wimbledon IS a big deal combo) -

HE IS THE WORTHY SUCCESSOR as number one to NOLE.

ANDY -- deserves this rank, all the way. such a FINE champion and athlete and GRITTY combatant on court like that -- we'd be insane NOT to accord this extremely talented guy HIS time as number one...

and succeeding such a great rival as NOLE.

QUALITY as number one players.

majors holders, top elites of the game.

tha'ts how it should be.

so - once more - CONGRATS TO ANDY MURRAY - WELL DONE!!
 

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Firstly, if he wins on points, it is what it is. If he loses tomorrow, and wins the YEC, I'd be fine. I'd actually be shocked if he loses to Isner tomorrow. If they end up in the final together at the O2, we may all decide that it's for the year, regardless of points. That would be the showdown, and what we'll all likely hope for. If Andy stays on a roll, he wins the year, and Novak has to regroup for 2017. That's because the 1st half is gone, and momentum is everything.


FOR ME TOO -= personally i mean -- i am not so ''demanding" as a fan of tennis or evne players i like or eventhose i dislike

that i would set ''requirements" so high that one must this and must that

(unless it is a matter of just arguing and arguing like we do after all, for our own amusement, lol) -

just to ''accept" a player's legitimacy for a particular ''assessment" ..

for NOW - let us embrace andy for what he has done. NOVAK surely would . and we should take our CUE from great players like that -

RAFA did when NOLE displaced him - NOLE too does and would, andy HAS never BEEN LESS than admiring of his colleagues accomplishments that NOW it is HIS also as number one.

we can learn FROM them. on how to be BETTER fans of the game and the players.
 

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we ALSO have to congratulate JOHN ISNER...

who despite what i consider a lack of real talent in the game (UNLESS one calls 6-10 TALENT) -
did EARN getting to the finals tomorrow.

i don't/ like him - - but FINALS is finals -- whehter i like it or not.

it's HIS and so is the title if he can win it over the new Number One Andy Murray .
 

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Not to forget that the ITF named Djokovic the World Champion in 2013, even though Nadal had 2 Majors to Djokovic's one, and Rafa finished the year ranked #1. I would caution Djokovic fans on that one. (Obviously not talking to you here, Twisted.) Some years are close, and folks will parse the various trophies. Murray is #1 on points, atm. Good on him, and long-coming. Novak knows what he has to do, if he want to get back the ranking. Also, still possible that the ITF will declare him World Champion for the year. #pyhrricvictory?
When the ITF gave that award to Novak they explained that they use a formula which gives more weight to the points earned at ITF events (Slams and Davis Cup), so the advantage Novak (2000+720+1200+1200+some DC points~5500) had there over Rafa (0+2000+10+2000+no DC points=4010) must have been enough to compensate Rafa's advantage in ATP ranking points by the formula they use.

This year the Slams are the only ITF events with ranking points and Novak leads Andy there by 5290:4760, so Novak ending the year at No. 2 but becoming ITF world champion again is definitely possible.
 

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When the ITF gave that award to Novak they explained that they use a formula which gives more weight to the points earned at ITF events (Slams and Davis Cup), so the advantage Novak (2000+720+1200+1200+some DC points~5500) had there over Rafa (0+2000+10+2000+no DC points=4010) must have been enough to compensate Rafa's advantage in ATP ranking points by the formula they use.

This year the Slams are the only ITF events with ranking points and Novak leads Andy there by 5290:4760, so Novak ending the year at No. 2 but becoming ITF world champion again is definitely possible.


this is a wonderful explanation. THANKS.

it also perhaps is a good reminder for all tfans...

there are the rules and the organization of the sport - points, ranking, which event is at what level, what are the generally accepted ''official criteria for ''evaluation - why GS have more points etc...

and in the end they are what have to be accepted as the official evaluations.

and mostly we the fans, the players, the whole sports world accept this -- as OFFICIAL.

this is distinct from our PERSONAL acceptance of these results. and our personal evaluation and criteria might even be the popular consensus -- and can even potentially be a better evaluation or not good enough.

but the point is - official results are what they are. and as FANS we can or do not have to ''agree". it's just the way things are.
 
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When the ITF gave that award to Novak they explained that they use a formula which gives more weight to the points earned at ITF events (Slams and Davis Cup), so the advantage Novak (2000+720+1200+1200+some DC points~5500) had there over Rafa (0+2000+10+2000+no DC points=4010) must have been enough to compensate Rafa's advantage in ATP ranking points by the formula they use.

This year the Slams are the only ITF events with ranking points and Novak leads Andy there by 5290:4760, so Novak ending the year at No. 2 but becoming ITF world champion again is definitely possible.

Wow! Impressive information.