US Politics Thread

[Murat B.]

Why I do not worry how many people participated in the No Kings protest...

 

[Federberg]

Why I do not worry how many people participated in the No Kings protest...

this can't be serious!!!

 

[DarthFed]

Why I do not worry how many people participated in the No Kings protest...

Nah, I’m worried about the number because there are millions of clowns like this around the country, and that number keeps on growing.

 

[DarthFed]

this can't be serious!!!

I’m not at all surprised. A lot of those people don’t know what they are protesting, especially when it comes to the Middle East. They are just fulfilled having a tinfoil hat on, holding up a sign, and walking for a couple hours

 

[Front242]

This made my day. Fuck Israel and media censorship. Hope Iran blow them back to the stone age.

 

[Kieran]

This made my day. Fuck Israel and media censorship. Hope Iran blow them back to the stone age.

Course you do. If I recall, you supported Putin in his land grab in Ukraine. Now you’re supporting the Ayatollahs of Mordor against the Jewish state. You’re slightly predictable where you’re going with this, bro…

 

[Kieran]

I’m not at all surprised. A lot of those people don’t know what they are protesting, especially when it comes to the Middle East. They are just fulfilled having a tinfoil hat on, holding up a sign, and walking for a couple hours

They're high on mouth froth..

 

[Front242]

Course you do. If I recall, you supported Putin in his land grab in Ukraine. Now you’re supporting the Ayatollahs of Mordor against the Jewish state. You’re slightly predictable where you’re going with this, bro…

This is isn't anti-semitism as you've accused many people of on this thread, it's anti Israel who are the biggest terrorist nation on the planet, followed by the US. I'd probably call it a tie at this stage but who can forgive the over 1 million Iraqis slaughtered by these pos. The UK of course are included in that. Killing innocent people is not right and neither is attacking nations for nothing. Cuba next no doubt.

 

[Kieran]

This is isn't anti-semetism as you've accused many people of on this thread, it's anti Israel who are the biggest terrorist nation on the planet, followed by the US. I'd probably call it a tie at this stage but who can forgive the over 1 million Iraqis slaughtered by these pos. The UK of course are included in that. Killing innocent people is not right and neither is attacking nations for nothing. Cuba next no doubt.

No I didn’t accuse anyone on this thread of anti semitism, I said in general if people are so focused on the Jewish state and ignoring the terrorist theocrats of the ME and their abundant crimes, the activities of China against Uighur Muslims, the Nigerians culling Christians, the Pakistanis and their treatment of refugees from the Taliban, Irans treatment of its own people, and many more horrifying tales from other places, then I’m calling it what it is. I include our government in this.

The Jewish state lives surrounded by neighbours like Iran and Hamas who swear to kill not only Jews in Israel but to destroy Jews everywhere. Live beside that for a while and see how brave you are. Anti semitism in these depraved countries is default setting.

Support for them in their aim is antisemitism too. Jews worldwide now have only that tiny incredible state where they can feel safe.

I’m glad you ignored my remarks on Putin. It was monotonous the first time round as well…

 

[Front242]

No I didn’t accuse anyone on this thread of anti semitism, I said in general if people are so focused on the Jewish state and ignoring the terrorist theocrats of the ME and their abundant crimes, the activities of China against Uighur Muslims, the Nigerians culling Christians, the Pakistanis and their treatment of refugees from the Taliban, Irans treatment of its own people, and many more horrifying tales from other places, then I’m calling it what it is. I include our government in this.

The Jewish state lives surrounded by neighbours like Iran and Hamas who swear to kill not only Jews in Israel but to destroy Jews everywhere. Live beside that for a while and see how brave you are. Anti semitism in these depraved countries is default setting.

Support for them in their aim is antisemitism too. Jews worldwide now have only that tiny incredible state where they can feel safe.

I’m glad you ignored my remarks on Putin. It was monotonous the first time round as well…

I didn't ignore the remark about Putin 'cos it's been discussed already to death. Funnily enough I didn't see Iran killing Jews everywhere anytime ever in my entire life. Israel and the US started this while they were negotiating with Iran, 'cos that's the kind of pos nations they are. You can be sure many Jewish people outside Israel are appalled about the huge numbers of innocent people being killed by Israel everywhere (especially Gaza obviously) so that's how there's no antisemitism whatsoever involved. I don't hate American people either. Quite the contrary. When I say pos nation, it's obviously the government I'm referring to. I hate the warmongering pos only from these countries. That will of course include non government/military people too who support the slaughtering of innocent people as there are many nutjobs who do.

These waste of human life should all be taken out to a desert island and nuked to kingdom come.

 

[Kieran]

I hate the warmongering pos only from these countries.

That, unfortunately, is why you’re wrong. You were the same about Putin, who if you were logical, you would also call him a warmongering pos, because he’s truly is one…

 

[Front242]

That, unfortunately, is why you’re wrong. You were the same about Putin, who if you were logical, you would also call him a warmongering pos, because he’s truly is one…

Blame the US and Europe NATO expansion for this. He warned them and they didn't fucking listen. If China had bases all around the US border, the US wouldn't just sit there and do nothing either and we all know it.

 

[Kieran]

Blame the US and Europe NATO expansion for this. He warned them and they didn't fucking listen. If China had bases all around the US border, the US wouldn't just sit there and do nothing either and we all know it.

That’s right, they didn’t listen to a tyrannical bully. Nor did Finland listen to him, nor did Sweden listen, and the bully did nothing about them joining NATO, which expanded effortlessly while he was busy trying to grab land in Ukraine.

Nothing.

Grow a pair and call it what it is in Ukraine, at least..

 

[Front242]

That’s right, they didn’t listen to a tyrannical bully. Nor did Finland listen to him, nor did Sweden listen, and the bully did nothing about them joining NATO, which expanded effortlessly while he was busy trying to grab land in Ukraine.

Nothing.

Grow a pair and call it what it is in Ukraine, at least..

To use of one your own often used phrases, answer the question...if China had bases all around the US border, would the US would just sit there and do nothing ? Anyone sane knows the answer btw...

 

[Kieran]

To use of one your own often used phrases, answer the question...if China had bases all around the US border, would the US would just sit there and do nothing ? Anyone sane knows the answer btw...

If China had bases as close to the USA as Finland or Sweden is to Russia? Of course they would.

Which begs the same obvious question back to you: why has Putin done nothing about Finland joining NATO? About Sweden joining NATO?

He’s done nothing because he was lying about the attack on Ukraine having anything to do with NATO. This stuff is simple, chap..

 

[Front242]

If China had bases as close to the USA as Finland or Sweden is to Russia? Of course they would.

Which begs the same obvious question back to you: why has Putin done nothing about Finland joining NATO? About Sweden joining NATO?

He’s done nothing because he was lying about the attack on Ukraine having anything to do with NATO. This stuff is simple, chap..

You seriously think he's going to attack NATO ? He's not fucking stupid. NATO are stupid cos they caused this but he's not dumb enough to attack a NATO nation. Finland shares a 1,340 km land border with Russia but Russia won't attack a NATO nation 'cos it would result in nuclear destruction of the planet.

 

[Kieran]

You seriously think he's going to attack NATO ? He's not fucking stupid. NATO are stupid cos they caused this but he's not dumb enough to attack a NATO nation. Finland shares a 1,340 km land border with Russia but Russia won't attack a NATO nation 'cos it would result in nuclear destruction of the planet.

Oh man, you’re all over the place with this. Seriously. Finland applied to join NATO on May 18, 2022, and it was over a year later when they formally joined. See? He had time to attack them before they were members of NATO.

Sweden applied to join NATO on the same day as Finland did but it was almost 2 years before they became a member.

Can’t you see, it’s very simple: Putin didn’t attack Ukraine because they were trying to join NATO. If close neighbours joining NATO was an issue for him, then he’d have attacked Finland and Sweden too…

 

[Front242]

Oh man, you’re all over the place with this. Seriously. Finland applied to join NATO on May 18, 2022, and it was over a year later when they formally joined. See? He had time to attack them before they were members of NATO.

Sweden applied to join NATO on the same day as Finland did but it was almost 2 years before they became a member.

Can’t you see, it’s very simple: Putin didn’t attack Ukraine because they were trying to join NATO. If close neighbours joining NATO was an issue for him, then he’d have attacked Finland and Sweden too…

The Ukrainians started this in 2014 with the Maidan Coup and the US puppet government. It's no secret many in the territories the conflicts are in right now have wanted to be free of Ukraine a long time now. They aren't liberating anyone from Finland and Sweden so why would they attack them.

 

[Federberg]

Blame the US and Europe NATO expansion for this. He warned them and they didn't fucking listen. If China had bases all around the US border, the US wouldn't just sit there and do nothing either and we all know it.

have to disagree with you there mate. That's Russian misinformation. NATO had an agreement with the Soviet Union, not Russia to not expand eastwards. This agreement was voided after the Berlin Wall fell and the former countries of the Soviet Union, Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic all rushed to join NATO. That action by itself voided the agreement. NATO can't make people join, it's an alliance that requires unanimous consent for applicant countries to join. The biggest lie of the last two decades is that NATO breached an agreement with Russia, but that is factually untrue as there was never an agreement with the Russian Federation. It was specifically with the Soviet Union. In fact, there's a video of Putin at Dubya's ranch in Texas where he opined that perhaps Russia could one day join NATO. Now, how I ask you, can Russia potentially join the alliance but Ukraine not? It's easy! The reason Russia was so aggressively opposed to this is that Russia wanted the option to invade Ukraine which would be impossible if it joined NATO. I say again.. Putin himself speculated about the possibility of joining NATO. We have to set that falsehood aside and see things as they really are. Russia only opposes countries joining because it would make it impossible for them to invade them. This is why before Ukraine, Russia also invaded Georgia. Let's not act like this is a first time thing for Russia. They've done it before, and will certainly try it again if they were able to conquer Ukraine.

 

[mrzz]

That's Russian misinformation. NATO had an agreement with the Soviet Union, not Russia to not expand eastwards. This agreement was voided after the Berlin Wall fell and the former countries of the Soviet Union, Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic all rushed to join NATO.

This is not accurate. A lot of agreements and treaties were "inherited" by Russia as it was the consensus among all parties that someone should play that role (a lot of non-proliferation agreements are good examples of that). So no agreement or treaty were immediately voided by either the fall of the wall (which only has symbolic value), or the collapse of the Soviet Union. Given that the republics that constituted the Soviet Union never ceased to exist, they were all signees of the original treaties.

Of course, each case has its own story, but there was indeed an NATO Russia agreement in place. There is Russian propaganda, yes, but there is also CNN propaganda. In this particular case, saying that there was no agreement (which is what CNN propaganda says) is waaaaay more distant from the truth than Russian propaganda.