US Politics Thread

[Kieran]

So Govt don't know what these drones are... except they're not US military or a foreign adversary...

That’s weird! Where do you think they’re from?

 

[Moxie]

That’s weird! Where do you think they’re from?

Britbox chose a tweet from an Aussie journalist who is a strong advocate that UFOs are being covered up. It would have been just as easy to post a news article, which all have a more measured tone. The notion about foreign entities/adversaries being poo-pooed is mostly that there is some Iranian "mothership" parked off the East Coast of the US sending them out. That's basically what they're scuttling. Otherwise, they're not really sure.

Here's one article, but you can google and find lots of them:

Where are NJ drones coming from? Pentagon rejects lawmaker's Iranian 'mothership' claim

On Wednesday, Pentagon officials refuted claims that mysterious drones spotted in New Jersey came from an Iranian "mothership."

www.usatoday.com

 

[britbox]

Britbox chose a tweet from an Aussie journalist who is a strong advocate that UFOs are being covered up. It would have been just as easy to post a news article, which all have a more measured tone. The notion about foreign entities/adversaries being poo-pooed is mostly that there is some Iranian "mothership" parked off the East Coast of the US sending them out. That's basically what they're scuttling. Otherwise, they're not really sure.

Here's one article, but you can google and find lots of them:

Where are NJ drones coming from? Pentagon rejects lawmaker's Iranian 'mothership' claim

On Wednesday, Pentagon officials refuted claims that mysterious drones spotted in New Jersey came from an Iranian "mothership."

www.usatoday.com

He posted the Pentagon press conference with very little commentary about it. As per usual - don't shoot the messenger. Some of these guys have been studying this phenomena for decades - there are huge communities surrounding the subject. Why would I choose to prioritise commentary from a girl at USA Today who graduated last November? Seriously... haven't you figured out the "news" yet... or are you that deeply programmed?

Anyway, I think there are valid points raised... if it's not a foreign adversary and it's not the US military, then who is it?

Don't you think it's unusual to defer to "local law enforcement" when there are supposedly unidentified entities in US airspace? Send the sherrif up? Lol.

By the way, Govco will know EXACTLY what they are. The drama is for the people.

 

[Moxie]

He posted the Pentagon press conference with very little commentary about it. As per usual - don't shoot the messenger. Some of these guys have been studying this phenomena for decades - there are huge communities surrounding the subject. Why would I choose to prioritise commentary from a girl at USA Today who graduated last November? Seriously... haven't you figured out the "news" yet... or are you that deeply programmed?

Anyway, I think there are valid points raised... if it's not a foreign adversary and it's not the US military, then who is it?

Don't you think it's unusual to defer to "local law enforcement" when there are supposedly unidentified entities in US airspace? Send the sherrif up? Lol.

By the way, Govco will know EXACTLY what they are. The drama is for the people.

No, he didn't quote it accurately, and he sensationalized it. Look at his tweet. "What other prosaic explanations are there?" He's fishing for it to be something weirder, as in UFOs. He mischaracterizes what was said.

I also don't think they're telling us everything, but trying to keep wild speculation down.

Anyway, you don't like that article, there are others, as I said.

Kieran asked you what you think it is. So what do YOU think it is?

 

[britbox]

No, he didn't quote it accurately, and he sensationalized it. Look at his tweet. "What other prosaic explanations are there?" He's fishing for it to be something weirder, as in UFOs. He mischaracterizes what was said.

I also don't think they're telling us everything, but trying to keep wild speculation down.

Anyway, you don't like that article, there are others, as I said.

Kieran asked you what you think it is. So what do YOU think it is?

I don't know what they are but it's incredulous to believe that the there aren't people in US authorities that don't know.

Here are a few things/potentials worth considering:

Carol Rosin did some interesting talks about working for Wernher Von Braun. Von Braun was a Nazi rocket scientist (and member of the SS) who moved to the United States as part of Operation Paperclip after WW2. He ended up in NASA and space programs.



Rosin stated on the record that Von Braun said there would be several cards played on humanity - the Russian Cold War, Terrorism, Asteroids and an Alien Invasion. She also stated that he said they would actually be fake. This lends some credibility to the Project Bluebeam theory - roundly dismissed in the mainstream as "conspiracy". However, even Reagan stated an "Alien Invasion" might be required to unite humanity.

Von Braun's tombstone is slightly interesting if you read between the lines.

So, Potential 1: Fake Alien Invasion

Potential 2: Actual Alien/Human Invasion

This would essentially be an invasion from an other-worldly source. Not necessarily in the way that you'd materially consider it. Extra Terrestial could mean from Extra Land (Terra = Land).

There are some wildly fascinating rumours connected to one of Admiral Byrd's expedition to Antarctica with a military fleet post WW2. There is also documented evidence of Nazis having bases there in the 1930s and over 120 Nazi submarines were unaccounted for after WW2.

Byrd returned home with a diminished fleet after a few weeks rather than the 8 months that were planned. Some of the "rumours" involve being attacked by anti-gravitational craft.

There are many, many rumours about Antarctica... including old maps.

So, some of these "aliens" could be a breakaway civilization, remnants of a previous civilization... I wouldn't rule anything out.

Potential 3: Other entities, supernatural beings

The Holy Books - Biblical Texts, Book of Enoch, The Apocrypha, The Vedas are full of extra-terrestial activity - the hosts of the heavens, chariots in the sky.

Also, nearly all indigenous texts talk of being seeded and/or helped by otherworldly beings - recorded either by document or orally handed down.

More recently, In World War 2, pilots spoke of being followed by "Orbs" known as "Foo Fighters". If you look up long enough, you'll see plenty of activity. I saw orbs and saucers in NW England years ago. There are well publicised events every year.

Over 90,000 reported sightings in the US alone according to NUFORC since 1974.

Potential 4: US Military Contractors

The lady said it wasn't US Military but it could be a Defence contractor - think Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon.

Potential 5: UN Military

Might be a UN Military - it's no hidden secret that they see the US Constitution as being the biggest obstacle to a proposed "One world order".

Potential 6: Foreign Adversary

She ruled out a foreign adversary - but she'd hardly tell you any different if it was, otherwise it would cause mass hysteria.

It could be any one of those IMO. All I would say is that this world is a far more amazing place when you do delve into some of these mysteries and develop understanding that the real technologies out there are ancient and light years ahead of what most presume. Men running around fields don't win wars. You could wipe out life in a city with a sonic weapon.

Some other interesting reads:

1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1566 celestial phenomenon over Basel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, if you're an American, you might want to look into why most of your great cities burned down. Most are familiar with the Chicago Fire and Mrs O'Reilly's cow starting it, but look at all the other cities that burned down within a few years of each other.

In Britain, we had the Great Fire of London. Eyewitness accounts conflict with the historical narrative. That Hawaii fire recently bears similar hallmarks.

 

[britbox]

Hey Moxie,

Check out the orb filmed by ABC News:



Now check out this view of Venus



Pretty interesting?

 

[Federberg]

Can’t get enough of this guy

 

[Federberg]

Hilarious!

 

[Kieran]

This is a classic example of how poor leadership creates a bad culture. These girls are shocked to be arrested for stealing

 

[Federberg]

This is a classic example of how poor leadership creates a bad culture. These girls are shocked to be arrested for stealing

Everyone knows I loathe Trump, but don't get it twisted. If his return means that police start taking a more correct stance on these crimes then I for one will applaud. Could do with some of that common sense on this side of the water!

 

[Federberg]

I'm stunned at how many African American's I'm seeing on different podcasts who seem to take it fore granted that Kamala slept her way to the top. I didn't realise that slander had been as effective as it was. So I had a conversation with a friend of mine in the US about it. It's only the Willie Brown relationship as far as I can tell, but that seems to be all that's needed for a firm opinion to develop. I'm blown away

 

[Kieran]

I'm stunned at how many African American's I'm seeing on different podcasts who seem to take it fore granted that Kamala slept her way to the top. I didn't realise that slander had been as effective as it was. So I had a conversation with a friend of mine in the US about it. It's only the Willie Brown relationship as far as I can tell, but that seems to be all that's needed for a firm opinion to develop. I'm blown away

So was Willie Brown, apparently..

 

[britbox]

I'm stunned at how many African American's I'm seeing on different podcasts who seem to take it fore granted that Kamala slept her way to the top. I didn't realise that slander had been as effective as it was. So I had a conversation with a friend of mine in the US about it. It's only the Willie Brown relationship as far as I can tell, but that seems to be all that's needed for a firm opinion to develop. I'm blown away

So what's your counter? Supreme Intellect?

 

[Federberg]

So what's your counter? Supreme Intellect?

counter to what? The idea that just a relationship with Willie Brown is enough to condemn her as sleeping her way to the top? I don't have a counter. I. just think a pattern of behaviour is a necessary requirement for something like that to stick. Perhaps I'm naive?

 

[britbox]

counter to what? The idea that just a relationship with Willie Brown is enough to condemn her as sleeping her way to the top? I don't have a counter. I. just think a pattern of behaviour is a necessary requirement for something like that to stick. Perhaps I'm naive?

Maybe that's a fair point if there isn't a pattern. However, if you look at the level of perceived governance in Western Civilization it hardly seems like much of a meritocracy does it? I'm not singling out Harris in particular but we seem to have a merry-go-round pattern of people who don't seem fit to lace their shoelaces.

Let's take something like the mass immigration currently happening in all Western nations. If you sat in a room with some decent minds, the powers of the levers of Government, and the will to solve it, I suggest you could do it an afternoon.

As for Harris, apart from a leg over with Mr Brown, you could look at her appointments and gifts... but it's not her that's the problem. It's the system - we see widespread nepotism and generational dynasties of morons who will do anything to protect their power bases.

The bizarre thing is, that people can see this. But they're locked into tribal bases. They won't care about their "own side" if they can point the finger at the other side..."Well, what about....". It's like being locked in a snare while all these oligarchs enrich themselves and laugh at the stupidity of "we, the people" who keep them there.

 

[Moxie]

Maybe that's a fair point if there isn't a pattern. However, if you look at the level of perceived governance in Western Civilization it hardly seems like much of a meritocracy does it? I'm not singling out Harris in particular but we seem to have a merry-go-round pattern of people who don't seem fit to lace their shoelaces.

Let's take something like the mass immigration currently happening in all Western nations. If you sat in a room with some decent minds, the powers of the levers of Government, and the will to solve it, I suggest you could do it an afternoon.

As for Harris, apart from a leg over with Mr Brown, you could look at her appointments and gifts... but it's not her that's the problem. It's the system - we see widespread nepotism and generational dynasties of morons who will do anything to protect their power bases.

The bizarre thing is, that people can see this. But they're locked into tribal bases. They won't care about their "own side" if they can point the finger at the other side..."Well, what about....". It's like being locked in a snare while all these oligarchs enrich themselves and laugh at the stupidity of "we, the people" who keep them there.

I'm not sure where you're going with this massive generalized complaint, but Harris has absolutely nothing to do with "nepotism" or meritless elevation to the candidacy for President. Just because she's a woman of color, doesn't make her a charity hire, as has been suggested around here. She's intelligent, accomplished, and with years of public service on her resume. On the other hand, both Trump and Vance are mainly qualified because they are white men. But that never seems to bother anyone.

As to solving mass migration, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen in an afternoon, no matter how much will and power you apply. I can't speak to the problem in every country, but in the US, the problem was decades in the making, if not more, complicated by such things as lack of reciprocal deportation agreements between us and certain other countries.

 

[Federberg]

Maybe that's a fair point if there isn't a pattern. However, if you look at the level of perceived governance in Western Civilization it hardly seems like much of a meritocracy does it? I'm not singling out Harris in particular but we seem to have a merry-go-round pattern of people who don't seem fit to lace their shoelaces.

Let's take something like the mass immigration currently happening in all Western nations. If you sat in a room with some decent minds, the powers of the levers of Government, and the will to solve it, I suggest you could do it an afternoon.

As for Harris, apart from a leg over with Mr Brown, you could look at her appointments and gifts... but it's not her that's the problem. It's the system - we see widespread nepotism and generational dynasties of morons who will do anything to protect their power bases.

The bizarre thing is, that people can see this. But they're locked into tribal bases. They won't care about their "own side" if they can point the finger at the other side..."Well, what about....". It's like being locked in a snare while all these oligarchs enrich themselves and laugh at the stupidity of "we, the people" who keep them there.

I would certainly co-sign that the quality of politician I see these days, particularly in the UK is incredibly disappointing. And I definitely agree that there could have been, should have been a quicker response to the immigration issue than there has been. Some of the errors have been so egregious it's not really surprising that there are conspiracy theories speculating about why it's been allowed. The Biden Administration and the mass immigration in its beginnings, is one... Merkel and the Syrian's is another. Just because you don't want your country flooded with immigrants doesn't make you racist, but this is the world we live in now with the left in particular so eager to label everything with -isms. Now those -isms don't really mean much at all. And perhaps that should scare all of us

 

[Moxie]

But I don't much care about that the prurient internet is still trying to peer into Harris's (distant) past romantic life and try to make that an excuse to make her unqualified for her various jobs. On the other hand, we have Trump who wants to take over the Panama Canal zone, Greenland, and perhaps even Canada.

In addition, the incoming 5-year-old in Chief is decided to dub its governor, Gavin Newsom as "NewScum" while LA burns, and makes some claim on Truth Social that the firefighters ran out of water because Newsom refused to sign some Water Retention Act to save the smelt. Except that he never signed such an act. It doesn't even exist. It's a blatant lie that just appeals to a certain swath of his base. And it's certainly more comfortable and fun to call Newsom a "smelt-hugger" than to actually talk about climate change.

In the realm of "childish," though not actually consequential, Trump is mad that Jimmy Carter died and therefore the flags will be flying at half-staff during his inauguration. What a narcissist.

 

[Federberg]

talking about Jimmy Carter. I was fascinated to see the interaction between Obama and Trump. Seems like there's some rapprochement there. That can't be bad

 

[Moxie]

talking about Jimmy Carter. I was fascinated to see the interaction between Obama and Trump. Seems like there's some rapprochement there. That can't be bad

I wanted to watch the funeral, but I've had a really busy week and haven't even managed clips yet. What made you think that?