US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Could this be a Pete Wilson level mistake in the Lone Star state??

 

[shawnbm]

Going to be a wild next eleven months, everybody.

 

[Federberg]

 

[shawnbm]

You can't force people to work and you can't force people to pay some arbitrary number you want. Just let the market dictate. Gone are the days when the masses can't move freely and get more money. The internet and social media and the pandemic changed all of that. Just leave businesses and their employees alone to do what is mutually beneficial. Obviously, there are laws and rules already in place to prevent abuse and illegal behaviour.

 

[Federberg]

You can't force people to work and you can't force people to pay some arbitrary number you want. Just let the market dictate. Gone are the days when the masses can't move freely and get more money. The internet and social media and the pandemic changed all of that. Just leave businesses and their employees alone to do what is mutually beneficial. Obviously, there are laws and rules already in place to prevent abuse and illegal behaviour.

preach brother preach!!

 

[tented]

I will give it all a look...thanks!

Great! I look forward to your response.

 

[tented]

Do you really think that Colorado is "as blue a state as there is?"

"For instance, until the election of Barack Obama in 2008, the people of Colorado had voted Republican in every U.S. Presidential Election since 1964, with the exception of 1992 when a plurality voted for Bill Clinton, possibly due to the effect of Ross Perot's candidacy. Conversely, Colorado has held a Democratic governor for 24 of the past 32 years since 1991.[3]"

That's Wikipedia. But my mother is from Colorado, and I have a lot of family there. Colorado Springs is about as Red as it gets. It has an army base and air force base, and a lot of evangelical Christians. As do the plains. And, in terms of percentages, it's about the lowest, in terms of "blue states." I know Colorado, and if it weren't for Denver and Boulder, (and Vail? LOL.) and a few enclaves with higher Mexican-American and indigenous population, it would be purple, for sure. At best.

Now, look at that Wikipedia quote: Colorado votes Republican for President, but Democratic for Governor. Weird, or not so weird? NY votes Democratic for President, but we've had a lot of Republican governors. Even NYC has had a lot of recent Republican Mayors. Not dissimilar to California. Go figure!

States such as Colorado, Pennsylvania, and New York — yes, New York — are definitely purple. Governors, Senators, Representatives, and Presidential elections go both ways. I would not describe any of those states as being red or blue.

 

[Moxie]

States such as Colorado, Pennsylvania, and New York — yes, New York — are definitely purple. Governors, Senators, Representatives, and Presidential elections go both ways. I would not describe any of those states as being red or blue.

Yes, lest we forget that NY helped tip the balance of power to the GOP in Congress in the last elections. (Though narrowly won, and by moderate Republicans.) Big states, including California, tend to be rather complicated.

 

[mrzz]

States such as Colorado, Pennsylvania, and New York — yes, New York — are definitely purple. Governors, Senators, Representatives, and Presidential elections go both ways. I would not describe any of those states as being red or blue.

You all missed the point of your own discussion. It is absolutely irrelevant if Colorado is red, blue or alien green. What unfortunately matters (to the Trump/Colorado debacle, that started this conversation) is who appointed the justices on its supreme court. In this state justices are appointed by the governor and pass through a nominating commission (half controlled by the governor). I needed two minutes, a bit of common sense and three google searches to gather the basic information. The next step would be to find out which governor (of which party) appointed the current justices. I don´t care enough about US elections to go that far, but a few here surely do.

Or, we can believe that justices vote with their consciences...

 

[Moxie]

Or, we can believe that justices vote with their consciences...

That is an option. That, and that they're reading the Constitution, which is their job.

 

[Federberg]

You all missed the point of your own discussion. It is absolutely irrelevant if Colorado is red, blue or alien green. What unfortunately matters (to the Trump/Colorado debacle, that started this conversation) is who appointed the justices on its supreme court. In this state justices are appointed by the governor and pass through a nominating commission (half controlled by the governor). I needed two minutes, a bit of common sense and three google searches to gather the basic information. The next step would be to find out which governor (of which party) appointed the current justices. I don´t care enough about US elections to go that far, but a few here surely do.

Or, we can believe that justices vote with their consciences...

it wasn't particularly relevant to my point to be honest. I think I was the one that started the conversation. Let's say hypothetically that the Colorado Supreme Court was Republican dominated and they sanctioned the plaintiff's case. The only point I was making was that the move itself was not politically smart. The Biden campaign has done a lot of work to paint Trump as anti-democratic. Anything done by any group that's anti-Trump that favours Biden is likely to damage the Biden effort. This is because Trump supporters, those more sceptical about Biden and some independents are likely to consider efforts to remove Trump as a candidate to be undemocratic. Look... I'm one of the most anti-Trump people on this forum, but this is not necessarily smart politics. Not if you want Biden to win. This only works if this is eventually approved by SCOTUS and many states fall into line and bring their own similar cases. If that doesn't work then there are many people who will either disapprove of the Democrats or perhaps worse give Trump a pass for any anti-democratic stuff he does going forward. They'll say... there are anti-democratic forces on both sides.

 

[Federberg]

Amazing stuff from Nikki Haley! Wow… Even if you don’t want to make it a moral issue say something!

 

[Moxie]

Amazing stuff from Nikki Haley! Wow… Even if you don’t want to make it a moral issue say something!

What did she do that so amazed you?

 

[Federberg]

What did she do that so amazed you?

 

[Moxie]

Figured that's what you meant, but just not to get the shiv. She's hoeing (no pun intended) to the old Southern line on that one. States rights, blah, blah. She knows better. But she's afraid of Republican voters who have reverted back to a 1950s version of Civil War history from civics class. You said, "Say something." It's telling that she felt like she couldn't.

 

[Moxie]

Oh, and Maine has barred Trump from the ballot. More to come.

 

[Moxie]

Trump's Christmas message is worth a mention, given that it includes the sentiment that his detractors "rot in Hell."

“Merry Christmas to all, including Crooked Joe Biden’s ONLY HOPE, Deranged Jack Smith,” Trump wrote in the post. He has often called Smith “deranged” and has repeatedly accused the special counsel of working to further what he characterizes as President Biden’s “political agenda.”

“Included also are World Leaders, both good and bad, but none of which are as evil and ‘sick’ as the THUGS we have inside our Country who, with their Open Borders, INFLATION, Afghanistan Surrender, Green New Scam, High Taxes, No Energy Independence, Woke Military, Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Iran, All Electric Car Lunacy, and so much more, are looking to destroy our once great USA. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL. AGAIN, MERRY CHRISTMAS!”

That's kind of Grinchy. But certainly not very grown-up or Presidential.

 

[Front242]

With the witch hunt they have against him, I don't blame him for wishing they rot in hell and personally I can't disagree with much of the above that has indeed destroyed the US not to mention most of Europe. The cost of living thanks to Boris Johnson telling Ukraine not to sign the peace deal they had ready (as Biden's puppet naturally) is a joke and all 'cos of scum who want to profit from war. I can't call it a proper war but you get the point and it was started in 2014 and not by Russia in Feb 2022 as the media keep lying to everyone. All the US and NATO had to do was agree to not let Ukraine into NATO. Oh sorry, I forgot this was an "unprovoked war" as we kept getting told. Biden and his cronies don't give a toss about Ukraine and they're wasting your country's money paying billions to bolster the arms industry. The same scum who are supplying Israel with weapons to level Gaza. Oh sorry, that was self defense.

The world would be a better place if the US kept their damn nose away from other countries conflicts (the common denominator with the death and destruction in most of the world's conflicts has always been the US) as the amount they multiplied the deaths to in Ukraine and Gaza is atrocious. And for what ? Trump is right. He's a clown but he's a lot less of a clown than Biden.

 

[Federberg]

Oh, and Maine has barred Trump from the ballot. More to come.

well it's spreading now. SCOTUS surely has to step in now. Exigent circumstances could interfere with the election....

 

[Federberg]

I'm amazed! Democrats finally fighting fire with fire. Have you folks seen the #TrumpStinks trending on twitter? I don't know if it's true. Don't know if the clips of Trump farting at true or doctored. It's utterly evil and brilliant! All those fake clips of Biden sounding like he's senile. You have to think Trump is hating this. If it's true then even I have some pity for him. In a way I want it not to be true. I want it to be a juvenile fake attack that the school yard bully experiences after all the times he's done the same to others. So delicious!