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This from the Editorial Board of the NYTimes today. I know they're behind a paywall, so I copy the whole thing:

THE EDITORIAL BOARD

A Failure of Leadership at American Universities​

Protesting the world’s wrongs has been a rite of passage for generations of American youth, buoyed by our strong laws protecting free speech and free assembly. Yet the students and other demonstrators disrupting college campuses this spring are being taught the wrong lesson — for as admirable as it can be to stand up for your beliefs, there are no guarantees that doing so will be without consequence.
The highest calling of a university is to craft a culture of open inquiry, one where both free speech and academic freedom are held as ideals. Protest is part of that culture, and the issue around which so many of the current demonstrations are centered — U.S. involvement in the Israel-Hamas conflict — ought to be fiercely and regularly debated on college campuses.

The Constitutional right to free speech is the protection against government interference restricting speech. Therefore, leaders at public universities, which are funded by government, have a heightened duty to respect those boundaries. Private institutions don’t have the same legal obligations, but that doesn’t relieve them of the responsibility to encourage open dialogue whenever and wherever possible on their campuses. It’s essential to the pursuit of learning.
In the real world, though, this can get messy, and nuance is required when free speech comes into tension with protecting academic freedom. The earliest universities to adopt the principle of academic freedom did so to thwart interference and influence from totalitarian states and religious zealotry. Today, the American Association of University Professors defines it as “the freedom of a teacher or researcher in higher education to investigate and discuss the issues in his or her academic field, and to teach or publish findings without interference from political figures, boards of trustees, donors or other entities.”

Student codes of conduct and other guidelines are meant to relieve some of the tension between free speech and academic freedom, as well as to ensure that schools are in compliance with government regulations and laws. Every campus has them. But rules matter only when guardrails are consistently upheld. It’s in that enforcement that the leadership of too many universities has fallen short.

The point of protest is to break such rules, of course, and to disrupt daily routines so profoundly as to grab on to the world’s attention and sympathies. Campuses should be able to tolerate some degree of disruption, which is inherent to any protest. That makes it even more important that school administrators respond when the permissible limits for speech are violated.

During the current demonstrations, a lack of accountability has helped produce a crisis.
It has left some Jewish students feeling systematically harassed. It has deprived many students of access to parts of campus life. On campuses where in-person classes or commencement exercises were canceled, students have watched their basic expectations for a university experience evaporate. And at times, the protesters themselves have been directly endangered — the disarray and violence of the past weeks has been escalated by the continued involvement of both the police and external agitators.

Amid the protests, there has been much discussion of both antisemitism and Islamophobia, and when the line is crossed into hate speech. There are profound risks to imposing overly expansive definitions of inappropriate speech, and universities have been rightly chided for doing so in the past. But it should be easy to agree that no student, faculty member, administrator or university staff member on a campus should be threatened or intimidated. School policies should reflect that, and they should be enforced when necessary.

In the longer term, a lack of clarity around acceptable forms of expression, and a failure to hold those who break those norms to account, has opened up the pursuit of higher learning to the whims of those motivated by hypocrisy and cynicism.

For years, right-wing Republicans, at the federal and state level, have found opportunities to crusade against academic freedom, with charges of antisemitism on campus serving as the latest vehicle. Speaker Mike Johnson of the House of Representatives used this moment of chaos as cover to begin a legislative effort to crack down on elite universities, and lawmakers in the House recently passed a proposal that would impose egregious government restrictions on free speech. The Senate should reject those efforts unequivocally.

The absence of steady and principled leadership is what opened the campus gates to such cynicism in the first place. For several years, many university leaders have failed to act as their students and faculty have shown ever greater readiness to block an expanding range of views that they deem wrong or beyond the pale. Some scholars report that this has had a chilling effect on their work, making them less willing to participate in the academy or in the wider world of public discourse. The price of pushing boundaries, particularly with more conservative ideas, has become higher and higher.

Schools ought to be teaching their students that there is as much courage in listening as there is in speaking up. It has not gone unnoticed — on campuses but also by members of Congress and by the public writ large — that many of those who are now demanding the right to protest have previously sought to curtail the speech of those whom they declared hateful.

Establishing a culture of openness and free expression is crucial to the mission of educational institutions. That includes clear guardrails on conduct and enforcement of those guardrails, regardless of the speaker or the topic. Doing so would not only help restore order on college campuses today, but would also strengthen the cultural bedrock of higher education for generations to come.
 

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"Seriously disturbed" seems a bit much. I'd like to see the original Bill Maher interview with her, but can't find it, so if you can, please provide. All I can find is Maher's bilious comparison, and I don't always find him the most reliable narrator.

I know that Me-Too victimhood bothers you, but I think you exaggerate it here, in terms of importance. I honestly don't see how you think that makes Trump in any way a sympathetic figure. Other than to men who think women are out to get them?

I find it perfectly plausible that she went to meet him, hoping he could do something for her career. She's always said that. Just because the sex was consensual, doesn't mean that it wasn't transactional, in her mind, and yes, there was a power imbalance. She's a porn star, and she wanted some sway with him, in an entree to more mainstream TV, and turns out the price of his attention was sex. Just because she obliged doesn't make him less of a creep.

There was a lot of how she addressed the cross that was pretty brave and stuck it to the "Orange Turd." She certainly didn't project victimhood, IMO. When they asked about her hawking products, she said, "Like Trump." Snap!

You might also consider that she was coached by the prosecution. She was clear in the details. It's hard to believe they didn't have sex, as Trump claims. Which is not crucial, but it does influence the jury in the notion that he paid hush-money for a reason. Obviously, the actual point is what the intent was, in paying the hush money: if it was meant to influence the election. The more they believe that Trump had sex with her, the more likely they are to believe that he'd have a political motive to cover it up.
Well of course YOU don’t find it seriously disturbing. As a man, the fact that a woman can change her story in 4k and most people unquestioningly accept it is seriously disturbing.
 
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Well of course YOU don’t find it seriously disturbing. As a man, the fact that a woman can change her story in 4k and most people unquestioningly accept it is seriously disturbing.
"In 4K?" This is a film term. Suggesting high-resolution. Is there another meaning?

How do you know that "most people unquestioningly accept it?" In the same way that you're convinced it makes Trump seem more sympathetic? Is this based on polls, or just on your gut reaction to it?

I think you've lost the forest for the trees on this one.
 

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"In 4K?" This is a film term. Suggesting high-resolution. Is there another meaning?
google it. You seem to use the resources of the web when you want to prove a point, but become passive aggressive when you have an issue with something you don't like :)

How do you know that "most people unquestioningly accept it?" In the same way that you're convinced it makes Trump seem more sympathetic? Is this based on polls, or just on your gut reaction to it?
I've seen absolutely no push back on her evolving story. I get it... a lot of folks dislike Trump. Heck it's well known that I don't like the guy. But her story has changed. We all know her story has changed, not a single comment about it. It's glaring

I think you've lost the forest for the trees on this one.
I see the forest, you seem intent on wiping your behind with some leaves :D
 
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google it. You seem to use the resources of the web when you want to prove a point, but become passive aggressive when you have an issue with. something you don't like :)
I did google it, before I asked. I got a full page of digital resolution. So just now I added "slang." I guess it comes from that, anyway. Thanks for being so helpful, though. ;)