US Politics Thread

[Fiero425]

I addressed the points in your first paragraph, which were germane to this conversation. As to the firebombing in Boulder, I'm sorry, but I don't find one specific example of a racist nut job that interesting to the wider concern. It's not different than the home-grown American anti-semite who killed 11 people at the Tree of Life Synagogue in PA a few years ago. There will be criminals who do horrible things, but they're not all immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Those are stand-alone examples, and don't tell you who the vast majority of immigrants are in this country, or any country, for that matter.

We're discussing the protests in LA, and I'm also talking about the seizing and deporting of people wholesale, without due process. Trump said he was going to get rid of illegals who were criminals. Perhaps if they'd been more judicious about who they were going after, they might have picked up that guy in CO who overstayed his visa before he was able to attack those people. No such care is being taken.

But speaking of not addressing what the other person wrote in response, you responded to nothing in my post. You only came back with your same-old: that I'm a partisan, that I never criticize my own side, and back to the castration of boys.

I have NOT cheered rioters. Federberg and I are discussing how that's a bad look, but also how much that's being overblown, in terms of LA. I posted a longer bit above on this, with a radio clip of an LA Times reporter telling what's really going on in LA, which is only 15-20 minutes long. From a very reliable and fair program. You would do well to listen to it, before you go off on how violent it all is.

I didn't ask you this directly, but I will now: Are you OK with Trump flaunting the rule of law to his end of mass-deportation? He has defied court orders. He has denied due process to many of these people, which the courts are telling him he cannot due. He's discussing suspending habeas corpus. "Due process of law" and habeas corpus applies to everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship status. It is the rule of law. How do you feel about those laws being suspended, or potentially so? Because then it applies to everyone, once you move the bar and set new precedent. And he's got the Supreme Court he packed.

The only thing worth "SMH" over is that Obama probably deported more Mexicans, but didn't do it in such an obnoxious way as Trump! Something's seriously wrong w/ our populous not raising HELL over what's going on w/ ICE, Nat'l Guards, a complicit political party, & a lawless president! It was bad enough when people were being detained in dog cages the last term, now innocent Americans who happen to be Latino are being snatched up off the street as if living in old East Germany or Russia! I barely hear a little bit here & there! My BP can't handle "the news" so I avoid it spending my time on You Tube & my video collection! It's truly amazing how easy it is not to be informed as some are out here trying to preach to us how to handle our affairs! I have to just ignore them; actually overlook whole posts! We're fighting a losing battle w/ real insensitive morons out there!

 

[Moxie]

Something's seriously wrong w/ our populous not raising HELL over what's going on w/ ICE, Nat'l Guards, a complicit political party, & a lawless president!

But people ARE raising hell. Tomorrow is a big No Kings protest nationwide. Particularly as a counterpoint to Trump throwing himself a big military parade in DC for his birthday tomorrow.
This may make you laugh: there is a Craiglist ad which may or may not be a hoax appealing for seat fillers for the military parade. Let's see what the turnout is like. But I still say it's a huge waste of taxpayer money, given that this administration created a Department of Government Efficiency. Most Americans polled do not think it's a good use of their money to hold that parade. And his other numbers are tanking, too.

 

[Kieran]

I addressed the points in your first paragraph, which were germane to this conversation. As to the firebombing in Boulder, I'm sorry, but I don't find one specific example of a racist nut job that interesting to the wider concern. It's not different than the home-grown American anti-semite who killed 11 people at the Tree of Life Synagogue in PA a few years ago. There will be criminals who do horrible things, but they're not all immigrants, illegal or otherwise. Those are stand-alone examples, and don't tell you who the vast majority of immigrants are in this country, or any country, for that matter.

You missed the complete point of this. It’s not that he’s an immigrant, and illegal one, it’s the sympathy for his family and their potentially ruined hopes.

The sympathy is misplaced. Or premature. Perhaps if daddy wasn’t a terrorist then their lives might be different, right? The thinking behind that article is almost as big a problem as what the terrorist did.

And it’s very different to your home grown antisemite, who seems unfortunately to represent a lot of people in the west.

We're discussing the protests in LA, and I'm also talking about the seizing and deporting of people wholesale, without due process. Trump said he was going to get rid of illegals who were criminals. Perhaps if they'd been more judicious about who they were going after, they might have picked up that guy in CO who overstayed his visa before he was able to attack those people. No such care is being taken.

But speaking of not addressing what the other person wrote in response, you responded to nothing in my post. You only came back with your same-old: that I'm a partisan, that I never criticize my own side, and back to the castration of boys.

I have NOT cheered rioters. Federberg and I are discussing how that's a bad look, but also how much that's being overblown, in terms of LA. I posted a longer bit above on this, with a radio clip of an LA Times reporter telling what's really going on in LA, which is only 15-20 minutes long. From a very reliable and fair program. You would do well to listen to it, before you go off on how violent it all is.

I didn't ask you this directly, but I will now: Are you OK with Trump flaunting the rule of law to his end of mass-deportation? He has defied court orders. He has denied due process to many of these people, which the courts are telling him he cannot do. He's discussing suspending habeas corpus. "Due process of law" and habeas corpus applies to everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship status. It is the rule of law. How do you feel about those laws being suspended, or potentially so? Because then it applies to everyone, once you move the bar and set new precedent. And he's got the Supreme Court he packed.

If trump broke the law then he’s being monotonously consistent, just like the left and their violence. I have more sympathy for the victims of their “protests” and the law enforcement officers and ICE officials who are under attack. I know there have been some foreign students deported for what they try to foment on college campus.

You are better off without them, and it’s proper that they were deported. This is not an issue of free speech..

 

[Kieran]

This is really sad, and very troubling and insane:

Democratic state politician and husband shot dead in targeted attack, Minnesota officials say​