US Open, Flushing Meadows, NY USA - Grand Slam (Men)

[Front242]

IIRC, he got fined $24,000 or so. Didn't look up just now though.

I think they will let it go and there will be no more punishment.

Only fair really when they allow a female bodybuilder tell the line judge she's gonna shove a tennis ball down her f*****g throat in a fit of roid rage, 'cos if she's allowed to get away with that and they ban Fognini, it's beyond a joke.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Only fair really when they allow a female bodybuilder tell the line judge she's gonna shove a tennis ball down her f*****g throat in a fit of roid rage, 'cos if she's allowed to get away with that and they ban Fognini, it's beyond a joke.

That's unnecessary to refer to Serena as a "female Bodybuilder " .. Dude you make it hard for someone to take you seriously with all your bias..

 

[Front242]

That's unnecessary to refer to Serena as a "female Bodybuilder " .. Dude you make it hard for someone to take you seriously with all your bias..

Nothing biased about the truth. I was a fan of both Williams sisters for years but frankly decided enough was enough with regard to obvious doping.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Nothing biased about the truth. I was a fan of both Williams sisters for years but frankly decided enough was enough with regard to obvious doping.

Your allegations are so un substantiated however You have most likely an obvious candidate right before your eyes yet you See No Evil.. That's unfair and very bias

 

[Front242]

Your allegations are so un substantiated however You have most likely an obvious candidate right before your eyes yet you See No Evil.. That's unfair and very bias

How many dopers are officially caught? Does that mean they're innocent 'cos they weren't caught? No, it means the authorities are either morons or well aware of it and covering it up 'cos they're making them millions. How long did it take them to catch Armstrong when all the idiots were claiming he was innocent eventhough anyone with half a brain could see he was clearly doped off his tits? Everyone and their cat has already posted why they're guilty but here it is again in case you missed the memo: panic room bs = avoiding drug test obviously. Bizarre lung clot supposedly related to cut on foot, yeah right. EPO causes blood clots. Weird dizzy bs at Wimbledon. Perfectly normal I'm sure we all agree and they swept it under the table. BOTH sisters have been caught with towels covering inhalers and photos have already been posted and I'm not going to bother posting them again. Venus has been pictured leaving the Wimbledon court after losing a bagel set and with her inhaler in her hand and comes back like a demon possessed and wins the next 2 sets with a loss of 2 games. Newsflash, Xenon and Argon gas give massive cardio boosts and are banned yet undetectable as they have no test currently. Some magic inhaler that is. A few puffs and you go from zero to hero. Feel free to believe she has some retarded disease though that no one heard of before she brought it to the media's attention.

There is no bias and the only thing unfair is these 2 have been allowed get away with this shite for years now. The obvious candidate remark in your last sentence is also laughable given who you're a fan of.

 

[the AntiPusher]

How many dopers are officially caught? Does that mean they're innocent 'cos they weren't caught? No, it means the authorities are either morons or well aware of it and covering it up 'cos they're making them millions. How long did it take them to catch Armstrong when all the idiots were claiming he was innocent eventhough anyone with half a brain could see he was clearly doped off his tits? Everyone and their cat has already posted why they're guilty but here it is again in case you missed the memo: panic room bs = avoiding drug test obviously. Bizarre lung clot supposedly related to cut on foot, yeah right. EPO causes blood clots. Weird dizzy bs at Wimbledon. Perfectly normal I'm sure we all agree and they swept it under the table. BOTH sisters have been caught with towels covering inhalers and photos have already been posted and I'm not going to bother posting them again. Venus has been pictured leaving the Wimbledon court after losing a bagel set and with her inhaler in her hand and comes back like a demon possessed and wins the next 2 sets with a loss of 2 games. Newsflash, Xenon and Argon gas give massive cardio boosts and are banned yet undetectable as they have no test currently. Some magic inhaler that is. A few puffs and you go from zero to hero. Feel free to believe she has some retarded disease though that no one heard of before she brought it to the media's attention.

There is no bias and the only thing unfair is these 2 have been allowed get away with this shite for years now. The obvious candidate remark in your last sentence is also laughable given who you're a fan of.

Another time McCloud, another time McCloud

 

[Moxie]

Your allegations are so un substantiated however You have most likely an obvious candidate right before your eyes yet you See No Evil.. That's unfair and very bias

Front notoriously slings mud where it suits him, but applies a different standard when it doesn't. As you say, it weakens his position.

 

[Front242]

Front notoriously slings mud where it suits him, but applies a different standard when it doesn't. As you say, it weakens his position.

No it doesn't as there aren't any glaringly obvious signs with Roger which is far from what you can say about the Williams sisters. That doesn't mean he is or isn't taking anything dodgy. It means exactly what I said. There are no standout signs unlike the Williams sisters.

 

[Moxie]

No it doesn't as there aren't any glaringly obvious signs with Roger which is far from what you can say about the Williams sisters. That doesn't mean he is or isn't taking anything dodgy. It means exactly what I said. There are no standout signs unlike the Williams sisters.

Front, we went from a somewhat meandering ATP thread about the USO to the Williams Sisters and doping in a couple of posts, due to you. You have an obsession. And the only one who mentioned Roger here is you. But it does seem likely that, now that Roger's injury lay-offs and miraculous recoveries track Nadal's, and so you can't quite make the same accusations towards Rafa, suddenly you're all about the Williams Sisters, even on an ATP thread. You're as transparent as glass. If you think the game is dirty, then everyone is dirty, and is astonishes me that you'd follow it, at all. Except that, for all of your accusations, you're completely sure that Roger has a little halo over his head, and for him, it's just pure talent, right? You really should decide how much you're going to accuse tennis of being dirty. But if you paint it with a tarnished brush, and say that the gatekeepers are corrupt, then no one is immune to your notion of taint, right?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Anyway, given that this thread is derailed, I have a few general doping questions. Is a player more likely to dope when they are nobody or are they more likely to dope after reaching say top 25. If a player was doping even when they are at the bottom, are they likely to continue or stop once they hit the top 25. Just wondering what are the risk/rewards w.r.t. doping and player's status.

Mods, feel free to move this to a doping thread, if one such exists.

 

[Moxie]

Anyway that this thread is derailed, I have a few general doping questions. Is a player more likely to dope when they are nobody or are they more likely to dope after reaching say top 25. If a player was doping even when they are at the bottom, are they likely to continue or stop once they hit the top 25. Just wondering what are the risk/rewards w.r.t. doping and player's status.

Mods, feel free to move this to a doping thread, if one such exists.

There is no doping thread, and there are no moderators, only administrators. Feel free to start your own thread.

 

[Front242]

Front, we went from a somewhat meandering ATP thread about the USO to the Williams Sisters and doping in a couple of posts, due to you. You have an obsession. And the only one who mentioned Roger here is you. But it does seem likely that, now that Roger's injury lay-offs and miraculous recoveries track Nadal's, and so you can't quite make the same accusations towards Rafa, suddenly you're all about the Williams Sisters, even on an ATP thread. You're as transparent as glass. If you think the game is dirty, then everyone is dirty, and is astonishes me that you'd follow it, at all. Except that, for all of your accusations, you're completely sure that Roger has a little halo over his head, and for him, it's just pure talent, right? You really should decide how much you're going to accuse tennis of being dirty. But if you paint it with a tarnished brush, and say that the gatekeepers are corrupt, then no one is immune to your notion of taint, right?

I made just one comment about the stupidity of the ATP even considering banning Fognini for a few words when they allowed Serena tell a line judge she was gonna shove a ball down her f*****g throat to illustrate the double standards and hypocrisy. AP mentioned Roger before me actually when I slagged the Williams sisters in the post below and I found it laughable given who he's a fan of 'cos there's much more dirt to go with the player you both support. Again, in my post I never said Roger was definitely in the clear, I said there are no obvious giveaways and that, again, couldn't be further from the truth with the other players discussed here. Anyway, you'll all believe what you want to believe and same with me so I'm leaving it at that. Just remember, when I said Errani was doping you all denied it too and said I had no proof, blah, blah. Look how that turned out. It's not hard to spot obvious dopers...and I did have proof, neck like a bodybuilder and worked with Lance Armstrong's doctor. As if any more proof was needed...

https://www.tennis-prose.com/tennis...y-usa-grand-slam-men.5705/page-84#post-312302

 

[Moxie]

Roger isn't mentioned in that comment. You tend to read in. Also, you see ghosts where they don't necessarily exist, particularly vis-a-vis doping. You may have got one player likely right. In an internet lifetime of spraying dirt. I don't think it really counts as you having a read on dopers. You've tried to make a case for so many people that it really is just scatter-shot. Though we know who you're really trying to hit.

 

[Carol]

Armstrong's body was very slim and he was a doper which means that his doctor didn't work on bodybuilder
Bottom line, to be a doper is not necessary to have big muscles at all

 

[Front242]

Roger isn't mentioned in that comment. You tend to read in. Also, you see ghosts where they don't necessarily exist, particularly vis-a-vis doping. You may have got one player likely right. In an internet lifetime of spraying dirt. I don't think it really counts as you having a read on dopers. You've tried to make a case for so many people that it really is just scatter-shot. Though we know who you're really trying to hit.

Please. As if he didn't mean Roger with his response lol. I didn't try to make a case for so many people and the hurt Nadal fans need to see it's not only me but tons worldwide suspecting the same players since they stick out like a sore thumb. It's all in your head that I may have got only one player right and you and other fans of players I (and others for that matter) have stated I suspected for years are most definitely doping are a bit scared 'cos deep down you know there's a high likelihood I'm actually right and your scared responses are always deflection. Ferrer is the most obvious btw and has been linked to that same scumbag doctor as Errani and if he's not a doper I think millions would be amazed beyond belief.

 

[Front242]

Armstrong's body was very slim and he was a doper which means that his doctor didn't work on bodybuilder
Bottom line, to be a doper is not necessary to have big muscles at all

Not wasting anymore time explaining this to you besides this. I never said it was all down to muscles anywhere at all ever if you read my posts. I said there are no standout giveaway signs with Roger and that this doesn't mean he's in the clear. It means there are no standout signs. His stamina is not questionable at all either so it's hardly comparable to convicted dopers in that respect.

He tires like a normal athlete would and has often lost matches due to fatigue in deciding sets. It's because he hasn't Duracell bunny stamina that he has to win matches quickly. The complete opposite of a guy who actually PREFERS long points which is against the norm. Your suspicion should be directed at the players who never get tired.

 

[Federberg]

Nothing biased about the truth. I was a fan of both Williams sisters for years but frankly decided enough was enough with regard to obvious doping.

I have to disagree with you mate. It's not at all clear to me that Serena's physique is due to doping. She has inherited exactly the same body shape as her mother. She's a big girl. Accusing her of doping makes as much sense as accusing Usain Bolt of the same. There's a sprinter who from his early teens was breaking records. I can understand - and fully endorse - accusing someone like Flo Jo who back in 84 wasn't fit to lace Evelyn Ashford's spikes and then all of a sudden becomes a world beater. But Serena? Nah... there is simply nothing anomalous about her physique

 

[Front242]

I have to disagree with you mate. It's not at all clear to me that Serena's physique is due to doping. She has inherited exactly the same body shape as her mother. She's a big girl. Accusing her of doping makes as much sense as accusing Usain Bolt of the same. There's a sprinter who from his early teens was breaking records. I can understand - and fully endorse - accusing someone like Flo Jo who back in 84 wasn't fit to lace Evelyn Ashford's spikes and then all of a sudden becomes a world beater. But Serena? Nah... there is simply nothing anomalous about her physique

No worries. It's not only her physique though. Pretty hard to explain the panic room incident where she was hiding from a drug tester, the lung clot and the Wimbledon dizzy incident. The latter 2 are most likely due to EPO imo. She's also gone from seriously out of shape to very muscular in around 3 months many times which is dubious to say the least. Why avoid drug testers if you've nothing to hide? A ton of experts have accused her of steroid use and search for Serena Williams steroids and you'll get A LOT of results. I'm personally not convinced at all. For the record, Stosur is clearly a prime suspect for shooting test as well in case the Williams fans get butthurt it's only them being accused, although she seems toned down nowadays. At the time of her USO win she was likely juiced to the gills though imo.

• It was alleged that she managed to evade drug testers (for OC) entirely for two years in 2010 and 2011. She covered up failed ICs by citing phantom injuries. She also famously locked herself in a panic room and called 911 when an out-of-competition tester called on her in October 2011. She never provided a sample afterwards and the tennis authorities did not answer why.

• Serena was one of the players (including Venus Williams, Jennifer Capriati and Lindsey Davenport) who protested against the WTA’s new drug testing rules in 2000 which led to the cancellation of WTA’s off-season testing program too. She has protested vociferously against any attempts made by the WTA/ITF to make testing more rigorous and stringent. She once reportedly declared that “women don’t need to be tested because women don’t take steroids”. She also raised similar objections before the 2004 Olympics in Athens until the WTA gave in. However, the IOC did not and Williams ended up withdrawing from the games citing “terrorism fears” in Greece!

• A stronger and more incriminating pointer was the pulmonary embolism and hematoma that Williams suffered in March 2011. Since embolisms and DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) are often associated with sedentary lifestyles, it is surprising when healthy athletes develop the condition. However, it is not rare and there is enough evidence to suggest a link between anabolic steroid use and embolisms in athletes. In fact, anabolic steroid use is one of the biggest risk factors for the condition. Some body builders will also agree that hematomas often occur while injecting steroids.

• Another factor is Serena’s playing schedule. She takes an awful amount of time off during the year, playing only a few tournaments other than the Grand Slams. Many have questioned how it is possible for a player to win and dominate the game the way Serena does, while not playing it actively through the year. Is she super-human or does she need the time-off for her “juicing cycle”?

• Over the years, Serena has exhibited unpleasant and bizarre on-court behavior that may be attributed to “roid rage” - a“mysterious illness” that caused her to forfeit a Wimbledon doubles match due to poor co-ordination, death threats that she aimed at a line judge during a 2009 US Open semifinal, breaking racquets, a tirade against an umpire during the 2011 US Open final etc.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Serena-Williams-on-steroids

^ 2 years with no out of competition tests is a total joke and it's during this period where she went from flabby and out of shape to pretty damn good shape in mere months which is very suspicious and more so with no testing, which of course is the authorities' fault but they likely don't care from the money being made...and she covered up failed tests with bs injury claims and the retroactive TUEs. Guilty as sin imo. Joe Rogan knows his stuff from UFC and says she's on steroids. Enough said for me and most others.

 

[Federberg]

No worries. It's not only her physique though. Pretty hard to explain the panic room incident where she was hiding from a drug tester, the lung clot and the Wimbledon dizzy incident. The latter 2 are most likely due to EPO imo. She's also gone from seriously out of shape to very muscular in around 3 months many times which is dubious to say the least. Why avoid drug testers if you've nothing to hide? A ton of experts have accused her of steroid use and search for Serena Williams steroids and you'll get A LOT of results. I'm personally not convinced at all. For the record, Stosur is clearly a prime suspect for shooting test as well in case the Williams fans get butthurt it's only them being accused, although she seems toned down nowadays. At the time of her USO win she was likely juiced to the gills though imo.

• It was alleged that she managed to evade drug testers (for OC) entirely for two years in 2010 and 2011. She covered up failed ICs by citing phantom injuries. She also famously locked herself in a panic room and called 911 when an out-of-competition tester called on her in October 2011. She never provided a sample afterwards and the tennis authorities did not answer why.

• Serena was one of the players (including Venus Williams, Jennifer Capriati and Lindsey Davenport) who protested against the WTA’s new drug testing rules in 2000 which led to the cancellation of WTA’s off-season testing program too. She has protested vociferously against any attempts made by the WTA/ITF to make testing more rigorous and stringent. She once reportedly declared that “women don’t need to be tested because women don’t take steroids”. She also raised similar objections before the 2004 Olympics in Athens until the WTA gave in. However, the IOC did not and Williams ended up withdrawing from the games citing “terrorism fears” in Greece!

• A stronger and more incriminating pointer was the pulmonary embolism and hematoma that Williams suffered in March 2011. Since embolisms and DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) are often associated with sedentary lifestyles, it is surprising when healthy athletes develop the condition. However, it is not rare and there is enough evidence to suggest a link between anabolic steroid use and embolisms in athletes. In fact, anabolic steroid use is one of the biggest risk factors for the condition. Some body builders will also agree that hematomas often occur while injecting steroids.

• Another factor is Serena’s playing schedule. She takes an awful amount of time off during the year, playing only a few tournaments other than the Grand Slams. Many have questioned how it is possible for a player to win and dominate the game the way Serena does, while not playing it actively through the year. Is she super-human or does she need the time-off for her “juicing cycle”?

• Over the years, Serena has exhibited unpleasant and bizarre on-court behavior that may be attributed to “roid rage” - a“mysterious illness” that caused her to forfeit a Wimbledon doubles match due to poor co-ordination, death threats that she aimed at a line judge during a 2009 US Open semifinal, breaking racquets, a tirade against an umpire during the 2011 US Open final etc.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Serena-Williams-on-steroids

^ 2 years with no out of competition tests is a total joke and it's during this period where she went from flabby and out of shape to pretty damn good shape in mere months which is very suspicious and more so with no testing, which of course is the authorities' fault but they likely don't care from the money being made...and she covered up failed tests with bs injury claims and the retroactive TUEs. Guilty as sin imo.

I’m happy to be sceptical based on these other issues for sure. Just not her body shape or even muscularity. Black people tend to regain muscle definition with almost freakish speed.

 

[Front242]

There are black dudes in my gym and I respectfully disagree. They gain a lot more on gear, YES, but not otherwise. Case in point how many black bodybuilders there are/were. If it were all down to genetics then why is Venus like a bean pole by comparison? Such a difference in genetics that one sister can be totally different and not even a smidgeon of bulk? Seems unlikely to most. The more likely scenario is the one who is bulked to the max is on gear...if none of the above in my prior post point to drug use and obvious evading of tests I've nothing more to say.