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To me, Medvedev was lucky he wasn't thrown out, but I'm not sure if there is a rule for what he did. Plus, the match was nearly over, and the beleaguered umpire probably didn't want to incite the crowd even more.
Well, this is the point though, it wasn’t nearly over cos Medvedev won that set and then the next one 6-0. He almost stole the match, until the French bloke forgot he was French. I think the guy is mentally broke and he prolly needs a good old fashioned kick up the arse to remind him of his how good he was, and how his victim mentality is ruining him. His post match interview was almost as embarrassing. I see that Rublev offered to help him, “I don’t know, if he wants to change and he needs help, he has me.”

I don’t know WTF that means other than that Medvedev is brutally in trouble.

I think the rule that might have applied to him is the hindrance rule, given that he was inciting the trolls to keep misbehaving.

 
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Well, this is the point though, it wasn’t nearly over cos Medvedev won that set and then the next one 6-0. He almost stole the match, until the French bloke forgot he was French. I think the guy is mentally broke and he prolly needs a good old fashioned kick up the arse to remind him of his how good he was, and how his victim mentality is ruining him. His post match interview was almost as embarrassing. I see that Rublev offered to help him, “I don’t know, if he wants to change and he needs help, he has me.”

I don’t know WTF that means other than that Medvedev is brutally in trouble.

I think the rule that might have applied to him is the hindrance rule, given that he was inciting the trolls to keep misbehaving.



I am always for rules that are as objective as possible. I do not know the rule book well enough to know if there is something already there that could have applied.

However, at the same time when the umpire was asking the crowd to be quiet, he was inciting them up. If there is no rule against that, he is then in the clear (as childish and gamesman that behavior was). But, if there is no rule against that, then one should definitely be created. They could even call it the Medvedev rule. He should have been disqualified on the spot.

By the way, wasn't aware of that Nastase McEnroe match. Whoever got the umpire substituted should be shot. The guy deserved a medal. He if he was in the chair against Medvedev, the outcome would be different.
 

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I am always for rules that are as objective as possible. I do not know the rule book well enough to know if there is something already there that could have applied.

However, at the same time when the umpire was asking the crowd to be quiet, he was inciting them up. If there is no rule against that, he is then in the clear (as childish and gamesman that behavior was). But, if there is no rule against that, then one should definitely be created. They could even call it the Medvedev rule. He should have been disqualified on the spot.

By the way, wasn't aware of that Nastase McEnroe match. Whoever got the umpire substituted should be shot. The guy deserved a medal. He if he was in the chair against Medvedev, the outcome would be different.
Exactly. The Nastase match was the ultimate in disgraceful cynicism found in a top player, and that’s saying something. Medvedev at least can plausibly plead insanity..
 
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However, at the same time when the umpire was asking the crowd to be quiet, he was inciting them up. If there is no rule against that, he is then in the clear (as childish and gamesman that behavior was). But, if there is no rule against that, then one should definitely be created. They could even call it the Medvedev rule. He should have been disqualified on the spot.
I would have called the point penalty. Considering it was match point, it would have had the same effect as a disqualification. Plus, there is precedent to this: Serena's 2009 US Open semifinal against Clijsters.
 
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I would have called the point penalty. Considering it was match point, it would have had the same effect as a disqualification. Plus, there is precedent to this: Serena's 2009 US Open semifinal against Clijsters.
Had he already a warning?

Anyway, yes, if the rule book supports giving warnings and penalties for that behavior, that was the way to go. If not, then they should update the rules
 
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I would have called the point penalty. Considering it was match point, it would have had the same effect as a disqualification. Plus, there is precedent to this: Serena's 2009 US Open semifinal against Clijsters.
I think it’s a pity that Bonzi didn’t hook in a sly underarm serve to drive Medvedev ballistic and win the match…
 

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Speaking of Nastase, this clip is really worth watching. Not only is it vintage Nastase as a prick, but you've got an amazing quartet all on court together: Borg/Nastase vs. Laver/Ashe at Hilton Head in 1976. Its got some fun moments - even Borg has a moment of obvious anger.

 

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Speaking of Nastase, this clip is really worth watching. Not only is it vintage Nastase as a prick, but you've got an amazing quartet all on court together: Borg/Nastase vs. Laver/Ashe at Hilton Head in 1976. Its got some fun moments - even Borg has a moment of obvious anger.



I used to love this exhibition event way back when! It took the top 4 men & women in the world, putting them on equal footing (for the most part), vying for a nice payday ($50-100 K at most) & (believe it or not)a car leased for a year! IIRC, it was competed over a week in the FALL, then every Sat. afternoon, play 1 of the matches on TV over the Spring & Summer; w/b 11 wks.! There w/b the 2 SF's & Finals for the men & women, the 2 doubles, & finally the MxD's SF's & Final winning 1 pt. each time! I think it went from 1973-78, The WITC! (World Invitational Tennis Classic) IIRC! Billie Jean King won the Inaugural by winning a Tie-Breaking log-jam taking the MxD. w/ Stan Smith! She lost both her singles & doubles events! Evert won the Singles (placing 3rd) over Evonne Goolagong, & Borg won the men's (placing 4th) over Nastase! Evonne Goolagong played w/ Rod Laver, Wade lost to Evoone in their SF after holding a couple MP's! Just testing my failing memory! A couple yrs. in, I'm pretty sure Roscoe Tanner won the Aces competition! :face-with-hand-over-mouth::fearful-face::face-with-tears-of-joy::astonished-face:
 
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Well, this is the point though, it wasn’t nearly over cos Medvedev won that set and then the next one 6-0. He almost stole the match, until the French bloke forgot he was French. I think the guy is mentally broke and he prolly needs a good old fashioned kick up the arse to remind him of his how good he was, and how his victim mentality is ruining him. His post match interview was almost as embarrassing. I see that Rublev offered to help him, “I don’t know, if he wants to change and he needs help, he has me.”

I don’t know WTF that means other than that Medvedev is brutally in trouble.

I think the rule that might have applied to him is the hindrance rule, given that he was inciting the trolls to keep misbehaving.


Sorry I'm late replying to all of this, but I do have to say I went to bed after the kerfuffle, thinking Bonzi would win. I woke up to the news about the near-riot, perpetrated by Medvedev, and didn't bother to realize he'd managed to win that set, and the next one, and get it to a 5th. Thank goodness Bonzi won it, in the end, because it would have been criminal if Medvedev had won the match after such behavior. I do think he could have been defaulted on the spot, per the rules.

And, yes, it's not good news if Rublev is offering to help you with your mental health issues, though, he's actually trying. But he's the guy who has employed Safin. I love Safin, but that's a pack of crazy Russians, right there.
I am always for rules that are as objective as possible. I do not know the rule book well enough to know if there is something already there that could have applied.

However, at the same time when the umpire was asking the crowd to be quiet, he was inciting them up. If there is no rule against that, he is then in the clear (as childish and gamesman that behavior was). But, if there is no rule against that, then one should definitely be created. They could even call it the Medvedev rule. He should have been disqualified on the spot.

By the way, wasn't aware of that Nastase McEnroe match. Whoever got the umpire substituted should be shot. The guy deserved a medal. He if he was in the chair against Medvedev, the outcome would be different.
Turns out, even Medvedev is expecting a hefty fine. He's been there before. He can be fined $100K for unsportsmanlike conduct, which includes how he treated the umpire, and how he whipped up the crowd. He could be fined 2x for both, IMO. And $50K for equipment abuse, which would be the racquet, I guess. That is according to the rules, so they don't need to be changed. The only thing I would say is, as I said above, I do think he could have been defaulted.

I was also unaware of the McEnroe/Nastase incident. They replaced the chair umpire, (and ruined his very good reputation, apparently,) rather than defaulting Nastase. It tells you everything you need to know about that incident that McEnroe kept his cool and let Nastase self-implode.
 
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I can't believe that the roof is closed for Zverev match. It's beautiful weather here. A hint that it might rain? I completely disagree with preemptively closing the roof, in general, but I have to tell you, this is ridiculous. I haven't seen a hint of rain all day.
 
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I can't believe that the roof is closed for Zverev match. It's beautiful weather here. A hint that it might rain? I completely disagree with preemptively closing the roof, in general, but I have to tell you, this is ridiculous. I haven't seen a hint of rain all day.
I'm not watching! Turned over to TCC! Must be a tribute week for Novak! Normally they're showing his greatest losses to Nadal, Murray, & Wawrinka! Of late they've repeatedly shown Novak's victories over Alcaraz; 2023 Cincy Final, now their QF "down under" earlier this year! Still fighting off "Father Time," but I can't see him holding out for 2028 Olympics as promised! :face-with-hand-over-mouth::fearful-face::face-with-tears-of-joy::yawningface::anxious-face-with-sweat:
 
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No seeded players lost, but a few notable non-seeded names:

RBA
Cilic
Fucs
Arnaldi
Le Monf
Sonego
 
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Order of Play for U.S. Open, Day 4 Round 2, August 27, 2025

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Speaking of Nastase, this clip is really worth watching. Not only is it vintage Nastase as a prick, but you've got an amazing quartet all on court together: Borg/Nastase vs. Laver/Ashe at Hilton Head in 1976. Its got some fun moments - even Borg has a moment of obvious anger.


Great video! That’s a whole bunch of great tennis history there! Look at Borg, still the greatest physical specimen on a tennis court, and I don’t mean that in a gaydar way. He’s laboratory engineered for the game. Tall and lean but with a torso that you could fill it full of arrows and he’d still keep coming. Strong as a beast, quick as a whippet.

Nastase had a biography that was written by the wonderful British Tennis journo, Richard Evans. It was called Nasty, sometimes subtitled, Ilie Nastase versus Tennis. In the book he says that though Nastase often fell out with people and said the worst things imaginable, he was generally hugely popular among players. But one time he went OTT versus Arthur Ashe, and Ashe lost his temper on court, in a big way. Now, that happened so seldom that Borg looked like a volcano alongside Arthur Ashe. And for the first (and prolly only) time in his career, Nasty was terrified and ashamed, because Ashe had that similar thing to Borg, that the worst messers on court didn’t mess around with him.

I can’t remember how they made up, vaguely I think they met in a canteen and Nastase was like an embarrassed child acting awkward when he saw Ashe who couldn’t help but laugh and forgive him immediately.

Great to see Rod Laver there too. Watched a video of him versus Borg in1976 a couple of weeks ago, great to see. The sound of the ball off the racket was so different then..
 

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Seeded players who lost, today:

11 - Holger
12 - Ruud
16 - Mensik
18 - Foki
30 - Nakashima
 
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