Up-and-Comers: Who do you like/dislike?

[britbox]

Stefanos is probably my fave from a tennis perspective. I find it hard to dislike Kyrgios. Sure, he's as mad as a box of frogs but underneath the "public image", I find him engaging and there is another side to him that flies under the media radar.

 

[calitennis127]

I like Daniil the most, weird but effective playstyle. Good attitude, no mainstream monkey like the Austrian.
Matteo is ok, have to look how he will develop.

I expect Medvedev to produce some truly classic matches in the next few years based on his playing style. We're going to see some very long 5-setters out of him.

Berretini's problem is his backhand. It's a clear liability. He has to work on that so he can fully utilize his serve and forehand.

 

[calitennis127]

Stefanos is probably my fave from a tennis perspective. I find it hard to dislike Kyrgios. Sure, he's as mad as a box of frogs but underneath the "public image", I find him engaging and there is another side to him that flies under the media radar.

Kyrgios is definitely entertaining and I love his attitude, but his skill set has obvious deficiencies that prevent him from taking off. That's my main problem with him.

The on-court mentality though is fantastic. It would be ideal if the backhand and the rally game were better. Unfortunately they're not so the outbursts often happen in conjunction with very poor play.

 

[Moxie]

OK, this is interesting, in terms of the poll, to-date: Tsitsipas and Thiem getting the most love, 10-2 each. What happened to all of those Thiem-haters? He's one of the reasons I started the poll. Medvedev next: 9-3. At least some of the Zverev detractors had the nerve to vote against him, but he's still overall positive at 4-3. Berrettini 7-3, Shapo and KK 6-1 each, and Kyrgios the only one in negative territory at 5-7.

 

[don_fabio]

I've just hit a dislike on Zverev, because he was added later. All others I like more or less, so I clicked like. I was expecting more dislikes for Zverev than the Kyrgios.

Tsitsipas plays the most exciting to watch tennis of all the guys that were offered in this poll.

 

[Bonaca]

OK, this is interesting, in terms of the poll, to-date: Tsitsipas and Thiem getting the most love, 10-2 each. What happened to all of those Thiem-haters? He's one of the reasons I started the poll. Medvedev next: 9-3. At least some of the Zverev detractors had the nerve to vote against him, but he's still overall positive at 4-3. Berrettini 7-3, Shapo and KK 6-1 each, and Kyrgios the only one in negative territory at 5-7.

I said it to you, Austria is everybody’s darling. Dream of every mother-in-law, now even more after splitting with this Serbian lady. No edges, boring and slick/mainstream.
Worker attitude, not artist.
I gave him a huge dislike.

 

[Moxie]

I said it to you, Austria is everybody’s darling. Dream of every mother-in-law, now even more after splitting with this Serbian lady. No edges, boring and slick/mainstream.
Worker attitude, not artist.
I gave him a huge dislike.

Maybe it's just you, and I'm sorry you couldn't give extra dislikes to Thiem. (Still, though, I suspect some people are lying or the Thiem haters aren't voting.)

"Dream of every mother-in-law?" With those ears? Plus, apparently now he's broken up with his, ahem, FRENCH girlfriend. (You have a terrible time keeping track of the nationalities of tennis players.) Plus, I thought you didn't give a shit about that stuff.

Boring tennis, not artistic? Well, at least that's an assessment of his game.

 

[Bonaca]

Maybe it's just you, and I'm sorry you couldn't give extra dislikes to Thiem. (Still, though, I suspect some people are lying or the Thiem haters aren't voting.)

"Dream of every mother-in-law?" With those ears? Plus, apparently now he's broken up with his, ahem, FRENCH girlfriend. (You have a terrible time keeping track of the nationalities of tennis players.) Plus, I thought you didn't give a shit about that stuff.

Boring tennis, not artistic? Well, at least that's an assessment of his game.

I really think the most of you like him.

haha the „ears“ is a good one!

Mother and father are Serbs, where someone is born don’t change his biological roots. It isn’t meant negative from my side.

don’t know if artistic is the right term, his game looks like hard work not maestro-like. Maybe that is better explained.

may I ask you where you from, roots I mean? Asian or Hispanic is my guess.
Think I read you live in the US, but you also lived in Europe. You speak many languages, so I’m naturally interested. If it’s too personal for you, please forget my question.


Edit: The opportunity for extra Thiem-dislikes would be great!!!!

 

[Jelenafan]

. What happened to all of those Thiem-haters?.

I paid them off.

 

[Moxie]

I really think the most of you like him.

haha the „ears“ is a good one!

Mother and father are Serbs, where someone is born don’t change his biological roots. It isn’t meant negative from my side.

don’t know if artistic is the right term, his game looks like hard work not maestro-like. Maybe that is better explained.

may I ask you where you from, roots I mean? Asian or Hispanic is my guess.
Think I read you live in the US, but you also lived in Europe. You speak many languages, so I’m naturally interested. If it’s too personal for you, please forget my question.


Edit: The opportunity for extra Thiem-dislikes would be great!!!!

Ah, the endless conversation between a game looking like ballet, art, or like hard work. It's sport. It is hard work. And I'd like to remind you that ballet and all real art is also hard work. Looking graceful in sport doesn't make you better, it's merely a choice for fans. And that is your option.

As to my "roots," I like you, and I would normally tell you, but I see how you abuse people's right to chose how they identify, so, no, I won't tell you. Especially in this climate where people's origins do get used against them, in my country, anyway. I am an American.

 

[Bonaca]

Ah, the endless conversation between a game looking like ballet, art, or like hard work. It's sport. It is hard work. And I'd like to remind you that ballet and all real art is also hard work. Looking graceful in sport doesn't make you better, it's merely a choice for fans. And that is your option.

As to my "roots," I like you, and I would normally tell you, but I see how you abuse people's right to chose how they identify, so, no, I won't tell you. Especially in this climate where people's origins do get used against them, in my country, anyway. I am an American.

1. My point was only how it looks like, his game style , same for Nadal. Of course it’s hard work for every serious athlete, and it says nothing about his quality. I prefer the easy looking style, for me it’s sign of more natural talent. There are many examples in tennis and every sport, where hard work can neutralize or overcome natural talent. Not only in sports. The hole package is deciding about success.

2. Fair enough. I like you too, despite calling me abusive. You don’t know nothing about me but judging, I will not go into this.

 

[Moxie]

1. My point was only how it looks like, his game style , same for Nadal. Of course it’s hard work for every serious athlete, and it says nothing about his quality. I prefer the easy looking style, for me it’s sign of more natural talent. There are many examples in tennis and every sport, where hard work can neutralize or overcome natural talent. Not only in sports. The hole package is deciding about success.

2. Fair enough. I like you too, despite calling me abusive. You don’t know nothing about me but judging, I will not go into this.

1. So, as always, it's a matter of taste. I have no problem with people having personal preferences...we all do, and the reasons can be fairly irrational, sometimes. My problem is with people who think that when the work shows it implies there is no talent. In fairness to you, you aren't that person.

2. I sent you a PM to discuss.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Berretini's problem is his backhand. It's a clear liability. He has to work on that so he can fully utilize his serve and forehand.

Remember when I pointed that out after the Nadal match and you jumped on me saying I was underrating it?

 

[calitennis127]

Remember when I pointed that out after the Nadal match and you jumped on me saying I was underrating it?

What I remember saying is that you were going too far in saying he had "zero transition game" as if all he could do is hit a big serve and a big forehand. My point was that his backhand wasn't so bad that he couldn't have won the first set against Nadal (obviously, since Nadal won it with a lucky mis-hit being down set point).

But yes, the backhand is a clear liability and Berretini probably would have made much more noise by now if it wasn't such a glaring weakness. The same can be said of Kyrgios. With better backhands they would have each done a lot more damage by now.

 

[calitennis127]

Ah, the endless conversation between a game looking like ballet, art, or like hard work. It's sport. It is hard work. And I'd like to remind you that ballet and all real art is also hard work. Looking graceful in sport doesn't make you better, it's merely a choice for fans.

That is such a stupid thing to say, about any sport. Would you really like to say that the appeal of Michael Jordan, for example, was simply that he won 6 NBA championships, multiple MVPs, and multiple scoring titles? It wasn't his seamless movement, perfect shooting form, graceful fade-aways, impeccable footwork, and iconic dunks?

No, it was just his numbers and his wins. Sure.

Many women have a great aesthetic sense and care about such things. I guess Moxie is not one of them. She is more of a Caitlyn Jenner type I suppose.

As to my "roots," I like you, and I would normally tell you, but I see how you abuse people's right to chose how they identify, so, no, I won't tell you. Especially in this climate where people's origins do get used against them, in my country, anyway.

Yeah, I know. Central Americans have it so hard in the United States. They basically get Dachau treatment from the moment they enter the country, aside from the fact that millions can enter illegally, forge Social Security numbers, skip court dates, stay indefinitely, and work like everyone else. Those details aside, they really do have their "origins" used against them. It is terribly inhumane. What's even scarier is that 2% of them are deported if they commit felonies. For our country to deport non-citizens who commit felonies really is beneath-the-pale for what a civilized society should do in the 21st century (Mexico's brutal treatment of illegal immigrants in its country notwithstanding).

You're completely right.

 

[calitennis127]

I dislike everything about Kyrgios.

One could not find a better encapsulation of why Buttigieg has 0% black support than this remark right here.

 

[Moxie]

That is such a stupid thing to say, about any sport. Would you really like to say that the appeal of Michael Jordan, for example, was simply that he won 6 NBA championships, multiple MVPs, and multiple scoring titles? It wasn't his seamless movement, perfect shooting form, graceful fade-aways, impeccable footwork, and iconic dunks?

No, it was just his numbers and his wins. Sure.

Many women have a great aesthetic sense and care about such things. I guess Moxie is not one of them. She is more of a Caitlyn Jenner type I suppose.

What if Michael Jordan had played for the Utah Jazz? What if all of that beauty and artistry had been wasted on a 3rd rate team? It has happened to other people. (Karl Malone) I know where you stand...you think Nalbandian is one of the greatest ever, but what would history say? I love the way MJ played, but what if he'd never won anything?

 

[calitennis127]

What if Michael Jordan had played for the Utah Jazz? What if all of that beauty and artistry had been wasted on a 3rd rate team? It has happened to other people. (Karl Malone) I know where you stand...you think Nalbandian is one of the greatest ever, but what would history say? I love the way MJ played, but what if he'd never won anything?

I'm not saying results mean nothing. But to deny the significance of aesthetics is also ridiculous. When recruiters or scouts go to evaluate prospects, players often stand out based on aesthetics.

Didn't Federer stand out to you when he was young? Even if he hadn't won anything yet, the talent jumped off the screen. Seeing Federer's game on Wimbledon courts is not simply a matter of lots of winners and games won on the stat sheet.

 

[Moxie]

I'm not saying results mean nothing. But to deny the significance of aesthetics is also ridiculous. When recruiters or scouts go to evaluate prospects, players often stand out based on aesthetics.

Didn't Federer stand out to you when he was young? Even if he hadn't won anything yet, the talent jumped off the screen. Seeing Federer's game on Wimbledon courts is not simply a matter of lots of winners and games won on the stat sheet.

And yet the young Nadal, who's talent also leapt off of the screen, left you cold, clearly. Good thing you're not a talent scout.

 

[Andy22]

not understand why posters don't like zverev he works hard on his tennis and loves the game of tennis also he's gamestyle good to watch, unlike shapo+berrettini who are clowns over-rated players who are only going to win masters titles not majors also fake as hell.