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say what we will about erdogan or the ;choice of the turkish population at large..

but for the FIRST TIME in turkey's modern history -- which everyone knows has had 'regular coups' --

no less than five times , i think?

the POPULATION did not come out in support of the coup...

this is the VERY FIRST TIME that this had happened.

it should be noted -- that in EVERY SINGLE COUP 'to protect democracy' - which everyone knows TODAY as a SHAM as promoted by the USA -

that same ''democracy" was ''protected'' by the coups -- ALWAYS with the CIA behind it.

this is no different -- as time will prove in the end -- for obvious reason - the RECENT TURN OF ERDOGAN TOWARDS RUSSIA --
and russia's one of several conditions for answering erdogan's attempt to renew ties

"abandon the assad must go project " - which OF COURSE is an american project.
and with it of course all the other things TURKEY has had to give up prior -- the TURKEY SOUTH STREAM of energy from russia - (which also was a GOOD thing and desired BY spain, greece, portugal, italy, slovakia, seriba, austria, etc...but which the USA put a crimp on)

in other words -- for the FIRST TIME in modern turkey history - with all its CIA BACKED COUPS - every single time -- the turkish population

DID NOT BUY the usual reason for coups "the military as defender and guarantor of democracy in turkey" --

to ME -- it spells the dawning upon the turkish population that the ''democracy" they have had - have aLWAYS BEEN CONDITIONAL -- always depending on WHAT THE CIA AND USA ''permit" by means of its INFLUENCE in the turkey military.

and they - for the first time DENIED their support for this coup.

whatever else ERDOGAN has in his scheming mind -- the FACT IS THIS:

one of the results of the now 3 week ''turn to russia' by erdogan -- starting with his fulfilling to russia's satisfaction a formal , though private letter APOLOGY for the downing of the RUSSIAN PILOT months ago by the turkish pilot flying his american F-16 JET -- and arresting him ...

is a long-held back BUSINESS investment permit to TURKEY BUSINESSMEN -- WAS given to construct a chain of five star hotels in CRIMEA. for the tune of 12 billion dollars of development with turkey's business having a piece of the pie of Crimea development.

see what i mean?

with RUSSIA -- TURKEY STANDS A GREATER CHANCE for prosperity IF IT ABANDONS its ''anti-russia" attitude -- . and tha'ts just for starters! as the USA dictates behind the scenes. -

this COUP was one such FAILED attempt by the USA -- WHETHER behind GULEN or other means.

mark my words.

no wonder - at the same time as the COUP was unfolding -- KERRY -- YET AGAIN -- invites hismelf to moscow to perhaps HAGGLE with russia for an ''official american presence" insidSYRIA

AFTER BEING EXPOSED as the main author of the destruction of syria with the USA'S ''MODERATE REBELS"

WHO -- just yesterday revealed themselves -- yet again -- with new videos of their HIDEOUS cruelty of beheading a palestinian boy....

and forces the USA -- OUT in the open to ''pause our relationship with the moderate rebels"

and why?

because as RUSSIA SAID from the very beginning>

"''moderate rebels?" where ''are they -- we ask them to come to the table with the syrian government -- but they don't come -- instead we see TERRORISTS -- SO if they act and talk and kill like terrorists - they are terrorists and we WILL bomb them"...

"'our american partners keep telling us NOT to bomb certain areas where they say there are moderate rebels -- who are they -- ? we want them to separate themselves FROM ISIL AND TERRORISTS we are bombing -- but the american partners DON'T WANT to give us the specifics so we CAN avoid bombing their s0called moderate rebels whiel WE give our american partners EXACT specificiations of where we will bomb the next group of terrrorists to avoid misunderstanding..".

so -- LET YOU ALL ASK YOURSELVES -- WHAT ARE AMERICANS UP TO ?

they are liars through and through who BROUGHT THE TERRORIST INVASION into syria!

that's what! and kerry keeps going to moscow to both SAVE FACE yet ALSO tries to HAGGLE with moscow to 'stop bombing" this or that ''area where the moderate rebels are"

who -- DON'T EXIST -- because they are - in fact nothing more but TERRORISTS that america LOVES as its foot soldiers and proxies in YET ANOTHER REGIME CHANGE

in the name of ''democracy"

JUST LIKE IN TURKEY! AND EVERYWHERE ELSE for its IMPERIAL PROJECT! of invading, occupying where it's NOT wnated or even invited (unlike in syria for russians) -

and plunder and pillage countries


JUST LIKE IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DOING -- RIGHT THERE IN EUROPE ITSELF!


roflmao!
 
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it is also clear -- the it was even WEEKS ago that erdogan ahd already sent out ''feelers" with some curious statements that are NOW proven -- THAT he had recognized what A HUGE mistake it was to doublecross russia (SOUTH STREAM ) AT THE instigation of the USA ''sanctions" --

among other things such as enabling the collecting and oil-smuggling racket of america's ISIL foot soldiers (THE 'moderate terrorists of america') -

IN IRAQ AND SYRIA --

and when erdogan indicated a desire to rebuild relations with russia (which was NEVER russia's fault in its cutting) -

SUDDENLY ISIL TERRORISTS -- the very same ones ERDOGAN connived with the USA to enable -- made BOMBINGS IN ISTANBUL...

who ORDERED THEM ? WHO benefits fromn the stoppage of ANY improvement in relations between TURKEY AND RUSSIA?

there is onlyh ONE answer -- the country that DIRECTED its ''ALLIES" -- TO sanction and 'isolate russia" --

THE UNITED STATES...

and THAT was a while back before THIS recent coup when erdogan had more openly approached russia starting with the ''letter of apology" to moscow...

- now -- WATCH as TURKEY - on ITS initiative -- has proposed an ''alliance between russia and iran"

AND LET US REMEMBER -- IRAN AND MOSCOW are the principal defenders of SYRIA to keep syria's territorial integrity under its INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AND ONLY LEGITIMATE AND POPULARLY supported ASSAD --

THAT The usa wanted to ''regime change' --

while IRAN ALWAYS had problems with TURKEY supporting ''rebels" against iranian and iraqi ''shiites"

THAT - plus a potential request by TURKEY to be included in the RUSSIAN-CHINA led SHANGHAI COOPERATION ORGANIZATION (SCO)

plus the 'Common Security Treaty Organization" - CSTO - also headed by china and russia and kazakhstan --

spells DOOM for NATO EXPANSION into ASIA where NATO DO NOT BELONG in the first place!

roflmao....

as for the french and west critizing erdogan's 'autocratic , undemocratic rule"


FORGET IT -- the west has COMPLETELY LOST any MORAL authority to LECTURE OR CRITICIZE anyone in this planet about ''democracy"

when THEIR own EU are nothing but VASSALS of washington DICTATORS -
nd ruled by brussels and its UNELECTED FASCISTS like TURK AND STOLTENBERG -- or the IMF AND LEGARDE with their banking oligarchs of chase bank, german deutsche bank, london's bank - etc...

while the DEUTSCHE BANK -- is now spiralling down into a collapse FAR LARGER than the one in wall street in 2008 !!

lol.
 

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Turkey Says FBI and CIA Behind Failed Coup, Gulen 'Only a Pawn'
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22:00 31.07.2016(updated 22:03 31.07.2016) Get short URL

A Turkish prosecutor claims that the CIA and FBI provided training to followers of US-based Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom Ankara initially called the “mastermind” of the failed attempt to overthrow the Erdogan regime on July 15 that left hundreds dead and thousands more wounded.

© AFP 2016/ ARIS MESSINIS

An indictment, prepared by the Edirne Public Prosecutor’s office and submitted to the local Second Heavy Penal Court, seeks the harshest possible punishment for 43 suspected coup plotters. In the indictment, the prosecutors allege that members of "the Fethullah Terrorist Organization" (FETO) were trained by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

"The CIA and FBI provided training in several subjects to the cadre raised in the culture centers belonging to the Gulen movement," read the indictment. "The operations carried out by prosecutors and security officials during the Dec. 17 process can be taken as a good example of this.” The “Dec. 17 process” refers to a high profile corruption probe that targeted senior government officials in 2013.

"The [failed coup] attempt aimed to weaken the state with all its institutions by getting rid of the government completely," stated the document. "Those in the Gulen movement who work in the judicial and security institutions and who received the aforementioned training, took on the task and moved into action."

© REUTERS/ Alkis Konstantinidis

The prosecutor’s claims were alluded to in part by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who said Friday in response to criticism by US CENTCOM Commander four-star General Joseph Votel, "My people know who is behind this scheme… they know who the superior intelligence behind it is, and with these statements [condemning the post-coup purge] you are revealing yourselves, you are giving yourselves away." The statement was interpreted as an accusation against US intelligence agencies.

On Saturday, the Turkish President continued the theme of subtle accusations calling US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen "a pawn" backed by a "mastermind" which has also been interpreted as suggesting that the US agencies supported the failed putsch.

US military and intelligence officials have been the target of scorn and accusation from Turkish leaders in the wake of the failed coup starting with the country’s Labor Minister who said on July 16 in an interview with HaberTurk that "the United States is behind the coup."

These accusations were forcefully denounced by the State Department which called the claims "utterly false and harmful to our bilateral relations." However, on July 17, Turkey’s Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the country was ready to go to war with “any” country that backed Fethullah Gulen, viewed as a reference to America’s refusal to extradite the suspected coup leader.

These accusations have grown in recent weeks with Erdogan alleging that CENTCOM commander General Joseph Votel was siding with the coup plotters and with the country’s leading pro-Erdogan Islamist newspaper Yeni Safak printing a picture of American three-star General and commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) John F. Campbell under the headline "The Man Behind the Failed Coup in Turkey."

The result of the shocking allegations has been an emboldening of anti-American fervor in the country with over 5,000 protesters marching towards the Incirlik Air Base on Thursday chanting "death to the US" and demanding that the United States leave. That incident came on the heels of a massive fire near NATO’s Izmir base with officials suggesting the cause was “anti-American sabotage” as reported by Turkey’s T24 News.

On Saturday, 7000 armed police officers supported by heavy vehicles blocked all access to NATO’s Incirlik Air Base. Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reported that Adana Police received a tip of a brewing second coup attempt, but the country’s European Affairs Minister Omer Celik downplayed the sudden show of force calling it a "general security check" and asserting that "nothing is wrong."

During the temporary blockade of the Incirlik Air Base, a group of several hundred anti-American protesters assembled near the scene chanting for the base to be shut down as confirmed by video accounts on the scene although some Western outlets have provided conflicting reports that the protesters preceded the blockade and that Turkish police were there to disperse the crowd.
 

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Hi Teddy. I am glad you had such a nice time in Russia. Yeah, they are great people. You know I learned Russian for 8 years and could speak it really well. I still can a little bit, but when you don't practice you lose it. And this was ages ago anyway.:D Glad to have you back.:yesyes:


BILLIE -- don't forget -- in less than an hour -- NOLE finals with GAEL.

let's see who brings out the better tennis today and takes the title.

NOLE going for MASTERs number 30 and GAEL for what? his first?

going to be an exciting match !!!
 

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Well this whole thing is frankly so suspicious. Who then wanted Erdogan ousted if he truly doesn't have opposition? Nobody wins when violence happens, no matter what kind it is. I am sure that if the attempted coup succeeded, they would have been as ruthless as Erdogan if not more. Revenge is a terrible thing. I understand getting rid of military personnel but thousands of judges, prosecutors, university professors?

Did your sister arrive safely?

who ELSE?

THE USA OF COURSE.

put it this way -- the USA has such a THICK history of coups - that the OPPOSITE standard should now apply>

IF there is something NASTY going on in a country that is otherwise stable and above all -- MAKING NICE with another country the USA is TARGETING -- in this case TURKEY made NICE and apologized to RUSSIA --

you can win a BET that the USA is behind it.

it is for the USA TO prove that it is ''innocent" because it has been PROVEN TO BE GUILTY TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

now -- isn't THAT A POETIC WAY of turning upside down what most normal thinking would accept:

"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? " AS most of us should be treated that way?

but the USA -- which MAKES ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT PROOF -- and NEVER ever does provide proof -- such as ''russia did this, china did that, " NO PROOF WHATSOEVER...

is ITSELF PROVEN to be behind coups everywhere across the planet -- and THEREFORE is to be ASSUMED as ALWAYS guilty

UNTIL the USA can show EVIDENCE it is NOT guilty!

it's OWN ''formula" of accusing others without proof -- is PROPERLY applioed TO the USA -

NOT really because there is ''no proof" but because it has BEEN PROVEN -- repeatedly that the usa IS ALWAYS guilty of such things when accused of having creatd a coup..

venezuela attempts on chavez -
brazil in recent times against rousseff
ukraine maidan ''freedom and democracy"
libya, iraq,
attempts INSIDE russia (one of the most shameful being american senators , like mc-cain - actually CAMPAIGNING for a pro-us nobody running for mayor of MOSCOW!! that russians laughed at) -

YOUR own beloved SERBIA -- practically the MOST orthodox, slavic , closest to russia people and culture -- is PROOF of american ''coups" through the rigged destruction of yugoslavia by clinton

that destruction or ''carving up" of yugoslavia being the ORIGINAL modern day ''experiment and rehearsal" the USA made

that it has since applied to other countries -- to carve them up into smaller segments to ''better manage' them under american control -- which is NOW still happening in SYRIA

which the USA calls "we have to have a FEDERATED SYRIA" -- MEANING?

SLICE IT UP INTO SMALLER AREAS -- AND PIT them against each other, all under american ''tutelage".

the same way the USA - through ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI AND MADELEINE ALBRIGHT'S diktat

about russia "it should be sliced down into smaller manageable pieces for US to manage". (that's brzezinski's OWN words long ago)

"it is SO UNFAIR!!! that ONE country has ALL that land and resources!!! something ought to be done about it!!"
(that's madeleine albright -- NOW ''advising" KILLARY")

ON and on and on it goes...
 
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38 Dead in Turkey Blast after Besiktas game.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38276794

Widely reported but pretty much zero detail on who and why? What's the inside info @Murat Baslamisli ?


SIMPLE...

USA -- CIA - TERRORISTS who have been 'released' from aleppo -- likely foreign born and NOT syrian militants who have given up and are undergoing reconciliation with their fellow syrians --

but these are the ones that have NOWHERE to go -- either BACK to europe or elsewhere to ''fight another day" but still USEFUL tools for the SAME USA cabal that created them and ISIL.

AND FOR ERDOGAN -- A ''message" of chaos for turning TO russia -- and SIGNING THE DREADED TURKISH STREAM GAS PIPELINES....

and last but not least - for erdogan discussing with russia/IRAN FULL TRADE IN CURRENCIES OUTSIDE OF THE USA DOLLAR. and request for full membership into the RUSSIA LED eurasian economic union -- nd potentially china/russia led Shanghai Cooperation Council..

additional factors :

TURKEY HOSTED the security/economic talks BETWEEN RUSSIA, SYRIA, IRAN in ISTANBUL
LOCKING OUT THE USA frm the talks...last week.
additionally - RUSSIA TURKEY STREAM nd other matters of partnership (contingent upon turkey's good behavior) - POTENTIALLY means--

rapproachment BETWEEN HISTORICAL ENEMIES ..turkey and the ORTHODOX BALKAN states ESPECIALLY SERBIA...through Russia's brokering. and the potential closing off of the balkans as a 'HIGHWAY" for UNCLE SAM'S terrorists...

SOMEONE is becoming very desperate to stay relevant............and it's NOT from the region but beyond the ocean......