Trump's Presidency

[Federberg]

This isn't really a response. It is a nothing comment and a straw man response.

Better luck next time.

@Asmodeus sincere apologies for my patronising response to you. For some bizarre reason I thought your post was from Ricardo. I do enjoy the robust discussion we've been having about this issue, and no disrespect was intended towards you.

But to the point... I have to disagree. There is a world of difference in legal terms between parsing the truth which I agree happens a lot in these types of testimony and providing a verifiably false statement. Particularly when we are talking about the sworn testimony of someone who wants to become Attorney General

 

[Federberg]

I think we'll have to see on this. There was a FISA application in June 201 to tap Trump's line but was denied. It was then granted in October. So, it does seem that his lines were bugged. The question is whether the NSA did it no its own or the president approved it. If the NSA did it on their own then that would be troubling. If the president or his office approved it then that would also be troubling.

The point we have to first wait on is whether this is real or fake news. It's looking as if this is true but I'll reserve judgement till its confirmed. If its fake then your comment is valid. If it's not, then. . . . .

Could you specify the year please? I have not heard anything about this. Can you post a link?

For what it's worth, the President of the United States tweeting about something he read on a blog site is just plain embarrassing imho

 

[Ricardo]

@Asmodeus sincere apologies for my patronising response to you. For some bizarre reason I thought your post was from Ricardo. I do enjoy the robust discussion we've been having about this issue, and no disrespect was intended towards you.

But to the point... I have to disagree. There is a world of difference in legal terms between parsing the truth which I agree happens a lot in these types of testimony and providing a verifiably false statement. Particularly when we are talking about the sworn testimony of someone who wants to become Attorney General

embarrassing embarrassing oh my look how much i have owned poor Federberg now that he can't read or make the basic distinction between my post and someone else's.

So, he is verifiably defeated

 

[Ricardo]

don't know why it's all silence when such simply question is asked, did HRC break the law?

Moxie? Federberg,? their fellow diehards? anyone?

 

[Federberg]

Lol! I'll bite... For some reason I assumed that you would have the guts... nay... the balls to actually make a proper contribution to the debate. In that regard I gave you far too much credit. Sadly all I can expect from a no balls tranny loving cheerleader b1tch coward like your sad self is sniping.

And to answer your question... again (you really should bring your helper along to help you read)....Years of investigations have been unable to prove that HRC broke any laws. Furthermore, it's hard to see how the buck stops with the Secretary of State. Anyway I guess I'd better stop wasting my time trying to get your views on anything non-tennis related. Ah well....

 

[Ricardo]

a no balls tranny loving cheerleader b1tch coward like your sad self is sniping.

ok I stopped reading when you got hysterical, even as a start. Gee i messed you up real good

 

[Federberg]

Sigh... no you didn't mate. But I'm glad I make you think so. Anyway.. you're not making a contribution here... bye bye

 

[Ricardo]

Sigh... no you didn't mate. But I'm glad I make you think so. Anyway.. you're not making a contribution here... bye bye

you went from being always PC to uncharacteristically un-PC (cheerleading bitch) to not even able to recognise poster to now blubbering gibberish, oh yeah i got you real good.....till next time.

 

[Nekro]

Many are bashing Trump for his "primitive" tweets but he's actually doing quite a good job with them, it was a good idea to show those enemies of his having Russian "ties" too I mean the whole story was ridiculous from the start, the ambassador is there to meet and talk with people......

There was a similar story in my country, except that was started by the right wing party Fidesz to shame the socialists. We changed systems only in '89 and before, in the one party system there were communist agents ofc, so Fidesz busted some members of the socialists for being ex-agents, but it hit back on them cause the socialists also busted some members of the righties, Pokorni Zoltán, one of the high ranked Fidesz members was crying (literally) on TV because they busted his father for being an ex-agent, that was an ugly story So in the end both right and left just shut up about agents. Now there's a new movement by young people called Momentum, they are fighting to make all the agent lists public, as long as our current government is in its place it won't happen imo

 

[Federberg]

I think we'll have to see on this. There was a FISA application in June 201 to tap Trump's line but was denied. It was then granted in October. So, it does seem that his lines were bugged. The question is whether the NSA did it no its own or the president approved it. If the NSA did it on their own then that would be troubling. If the president or his office approved it then that would also be troubling.

The point we have to first wait on is whether this is real or fake news. It's looking as if this is true but I'll reserve judgement till its confirmed. If its fake then your comment is valid. If it's not, then. . . . .

I see where you got that info about the FISA applications. Here's an article that's pertinent...

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

It's a huuuuge leap to go from this, to Obama himself being the controlling party. It's doubtful he would even be aware of this.... if it's true

 

[Asmodeus]

While there's plausible deniability from Obama's part, if this turns out to be true. The FISA works is that a judge signs a grant to wiretap. However, if this is true, someone very high up would have had to know about this since the Justice Department or NSA would likely have wanted to clear it with someone first. Still presidents are always protected from these types of acts and they let subordinates take the fall.

If it's true, I'd suspect that O knew about it. Otherwise, we have a rogue NSA operation that does what it wants. Either way, again if this is true, Trump comes out smelling good. If it's fake news, he looks like an idiot. Trump probably found out about the taps through the Secret Service who are responsible to ensure that the presidency is not bugged.

In the end, we may actually have an inter-departmental war taking place. Law enforcement and the Secret Service strongly support the president. The covert operatives do not seem to like him.

 

[Federberg]

While there's plausible deniability from Obama's part, if this turns out to be true. The FISA works is that a judge signs a grant to wiretap. However, if this is true, someone very high up would have had to know about this since the Justice Department or NSA would likely have wanted to clear it with someone first. Still presidents are always protected from these types of acts and they let subordinates take the fall.

If it's true, I'd suspect that O knew about it. Otherwise, we have a rogue NSA operation that does what it wants. Either way, again if this is true, Trump comes out smelling good. If it's fake news, he looks like an idiot. Trump probably found out about the taps through the Secret Service who are responsible to ensure that the presidency is not bugged.

In the end, we may actually have an inter-departmental war taking place. Law enforcement and the Secret Service strongly support the president. The covert operatives do not seem to like him.

Well.. it seems reasonable that Obama would have been briefed about a FISA warrant, but it's far from clear that he would have anything at all to do with requesting it. In fact, given the circumstances I can only imagine that he would want to be as far removed from it as possible. It's far more likely that a FISA warrant would be relating to individuals involved in the Trump campaign and not Trump himself. And in fact all of the reports seem to indicate it wasn't specific to Trump if the reports are even true. Also it's interesting is that these sources seem to have spoken to mostly foreign newspapers which seems odd to say the least.

What I don't get is that of the 3 possible scenarios: (1) FISA warrant for Trump and/ or his associates (2) Trump is lying (I use that word because he stated it as a fact, even if his staff have studiously avoided doing so) (3) an unsanctioned wiretap of Trump and/ or his associates. The last looks extremely unlikely. Any of the other two could be fatal for Trump - circumstances that law enforcement would believe could warrant investigation or mendacity - so why on earth he brings this up escapes me. The only scenario which would be bad for Obama would be the unsanctioned wiretap.

The cynic in me, thinks that Trump is going back to what worked for him. Using Obama as a foil could be highly effective for him with his base, but given 44s popularity it's hard to see how this broadens his appeal. It could work if he's using it to suppress a new democratic leadership though. Obama on the front pages would suck the attention from any new leadership

 

[Federberg]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...8-new-trump-trademarks-his-businesses-n730561

Wow! What happened to draining the swamp??

 

[Federberg]

So.. General Flynn was acting as a foreign agent during the election. This is the guy who was shouting lock her up, and accusing Clinton of "pay for play". Am I the only one stunned by the hypocrisy??

 

[Asmodeus]

So.. General Flynn was acting as a foreign agent during the election. This is the guy who was shouting lock her up, and accusing Clinton of "pay for play". Am I the only one stunned by the hypocrisy??

Acting as a foreign agent? So, what you are saying is that a retire general from the U.S. military was either hired by or provided information to the Russians for money.

Perhaps a measured assessment of the 'relationship' is that Flynn met with the Russians to discuss policy with a possible Trump Administration.

Also, I'm not sure much of a hypocrisy exists. Didn't the Clintons work on selling

 

[Asmodeus]

Sorry, something happened with my previous post. Here it is in full:

Acting as a foreign agent? So, what you are saying is that a retire general from the U.S. military was either hired by or provided information to the Russians for money.

Perhaps a measured assessment of the 'relationship' is that Flynn met with the Russians to discuss policy with a possible Trump Administration.

Also, I'm not sure much of a hypocrisy exists. Didn't the Clintons work on selling 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia in a deal that funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation, as reported by the New York Times? Didn't Bill Clinton get $500,000 for a Moscow speech paid for by a Kremlin-backed bank while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State? Wasn't it John Podesta's Joule Unlimited energy company that received $35 million from Putin? Didn't Hillary Clinton hide the fact that she received $2.35 million in secret donations from Ian Telfer, the head of a Russian uranium company, as reported by the NYT?

Recently retired NSA director James Clapper, who is no fan of Trump, just stated in an interview that no inappropriate connection between the Trump camp and Russia existed.

I think you're spending too much time watching SNL skits and ignoring the obvious fact that this Russian claim is largely a partisan fabrication.

 

[Federberg]

Sorry, something happened with my previous post. Here it is in full:

Acting as a foreign agent? So, what you are saying is that a retire general from the U.S. military was either hired by or provided information to the Russians for money.

Perhaps a measured assessment of the 'relationship' is that Flynn met with the Russians to discuss policy with a possible Trump Administration.

Also, I'm not sure much of a hypocrisy exists. Didn't the Clintons work on selling 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia in a deal that funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation, as reported by the New York Times? Didn't Bill Clinton get $500,000 for a Moscow speech paid for by a Kremlin-backed bank while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State? Wasn't it John Podesta's Joule Unlimited energy company that received $35 million from Putin? Didn't Hillary Clinton hide the fact that she received $2.35 million in secret donations from Ian Telfer, the head of a Russian uranium company, as reported by the NYT?

Recently retired NSA director James Clapper, who is no fan of Trump, just stated in an interview that no inappropriate connection between the Trump camp and Russia existed.

I think you're spending too much time watching SNL skits and ignoring the obvious fact that this Russian claim is largely a partisan fabrication.

I think you've missed the latest news. Flynn has belatedly declared that he was paid by Turkey to promote their interests during the election. This is fact. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-security-adviser-resign-russia-a7622716.html Please look it up. Not Russia, Turkey. He was paid upwards of half a million dollars. And he even wrote an OpEd piece that was published on election day.

Regarding the Clintons, I"m not excusing their money grubbing activity. I feel extreme discomfort with how Tony Blair has enriched himself since he left office, I'm not going to excuse the Clinton's. By the way your commenting about them implies some sort of support from me? I've always been more of an anti-Trumper than pro-Clinton person, so I'm not sure why you would think that deflection is relevant here. Look at the facts. Flynn who made speeches about pay for play was doing the very same thing. How is that not text book hypocrisy?

 

[Federberg]

Regarding the Russia claim as you put it. On what basis can it be called a fabrication? I have no issue with your partisanship, and it amuses me that you would label me as such. For the record in the UK I have always voted Conservative. My natural instincts should pre-dispose me to vote Republican as it is theoretically the equivalent to my political views. But sadly if I was American I wouldn't know what to do. But I digress... To date, the Russia claim continues to evolve and morph into something that's more and more serious as far as I can see if one chooses objectivity or a simple loyalty to Western civilisation. First of all, Trump and his campaign staff denied any contact with Russia, but to date one senior White House staffer has had to resign, another has offered false testimony. We have now been told that even more members of the campaign have been in contact with Russia (something that is unheard of on both sides in election campaigns in my lifetime by the way - yes there might be one or two meetings, but nothing to compare with this volume). There's more, but these things I've put forward are facts. Now tell me why, given the untruths that have come from Trump and his staff, why we should disregard the possibility that there might be more to this. I ask this to you, as you're an American (and being a European, I'm very aware of the meddling of the Russians in the elections of several European countries in the last few years), doesn't the possibility that your very democracy has been interfered with bother you at all? I find that incredible

 

[Nekro]

loyalty to Western civilisation

Russia is one of the last bastions of Western civilisation. American democrats and the European left failed western civilisation.

I'm very aware of the meddling of the Russians in the elections of several European countries in the last few years

European countries are CHOOSING Russia over Merkel&co. Exactly for the same reason, because Russia represents and is protecting western civilisation, while the American and European left are destroying it.

Maybe you're watching too much BBC?

Many celebrities with brain are showing support for Russia for the same reason, like Gerard Depardieu.

You saw that movie of his in which he was a teacher and his muslim students threatened him to burn his house, and they were going slowly in a car next to him and insulting him as he was going home after work?

Anyway, i see the BBC propaganda is working, lots of people don't know what they're talking about....

 

[Federberg]

Russia is one of the last bastions of Western civilisation. American democrats and the European left failed western civilisation.

European countries are CHOOSING Russia over Merkel&co. Exactly for the same reason, because Russia represents and is protecting western civilisation, while the American and European left are destroying it.

Maybe you're watching too much BBC?

Many celebrities with brain are showing support for Russia for the same reason, like Gerard Depardieu.

You saw that movie of his in which he was a teacher and his muslim students threatened him to burn his house, and they were going slowly in a car next to him and insulting him as he was going home after work?

Anyway, i see the BBC propaganda is working, lots of people don't know what they're talking about....

Because I'm British you assume I like the BBC? Wow... I won't even bother responding to this... except to say that Depardieu's love affair with Russia is entirely about his frustration with French taxation. I sympathise