Time to crown Novak the GOAT?

[the AntiPusher]

What are you talking about, brother? The discussion is a hypothetical, these can only be argued on the terms of the hypothetical, so in that sense what the Dude is saying is perfectly sensible…

If Andy Roddick is your preferred "Andy' so be it.

 

[Kieran]

If Andy Roddick is your preferred "Andy' so be it.

You’re completely missing the point!

 

[the AntiPusher]

You’re completely missing the point!

No, you don't understand.I'm not trying to get the so called "point"

 

[Kieran]

No, you don't understand.I'm not trying to get the so called "point"

I can see you’re trying very hard not to get the point…

 

[Moxie]

Yes Fred took a proverbial dump on CC against Joe but he wouldn't have done that against a less experienced slam virgin like Med in a CYGS match.

You are delusional and fannish. I know everyone else has ignored this, and moved on the Roddick debate, but it is hilarious that you can state the above as if it were fact. Roger couldn't even withstand the pressure of closing what would have been his #21, and that 3 years ago. There is nothing to back up that he would have gotten the job done at the USO, (his 2nd worst Major,) against a guy in his 3rd final, when he lost the USO in a final 13 years ago against a complete "slam virgin" in del Potro. This is the same as you claiming that Dark Side of the Moon is the greatest rock album ever, and beyond debate. You really need to learn the difference between your very biased opinions and actual facts. Even as a subjective opinion, your above is without merit.

 

[Moxie]

They're not "funny", Jelena, they're exactly what you did right there. They're counter-factual and the basis for very interesting turns in the conversation. You make an excellent point about the other players who Federer beat on his way to face Roddick, but in making this point, you support the idea of the hypothetical, and don't debunk it...

@Jelenafan did make an interesting deep-dive into some of the SFs and records of other competitors, at the time. I admire that research, and it's very interesting, TBH. The conclusion that Roddick WOULDN'T have won another one is a stretch, in my opinion, too, but it IS all just a guess. Seems that AP and Jelenafan are adamant that Roddick found his level, no matter what. I lean toward @tented's post above, where he simply said to AP that it's not unreasonable to think that Roddick might have won a couple more. He was a very consistent player, and spent 10 full years in the Top 10. I was NO fan. But all of this is supposition and conjecture. Same as imagining if the other Andy (Murray) had been born 10 years later. This thread is all conjecture and opinion, and has moved to very interesting places, especially the deeply historical stuff. The good news is, on opining about the parallel universe, no one is actually wrong.

 

[shawnbm]

Moxie—don’t forget the Sinatra concept albums

 

[monfed]

You are delusional and fannish. I know everyone else has ignored this, and moved on the Roddick debate, but it is hilarious that you can state the above as if it were fact. Roger couldn't even withstand the pressure of closing what would have been his #21, and that 3 years ago. There is nothing to back up that he would have gotten the job done at the USO, (his 2nd worst Major,) against a guy in his 3rd final, when he lost the USO in a final 13 years ago against a complete "slam virgin" in del Potro. This is the same as you claiming that Dark Side of the Moon is the greatest rock album ever, and beyond debate. You really need to learn the difference between your very biased opinions and actual facts. Even as a subjective opinion, your above is without merit.

Juanita can blow players off the court. This was specially true in 09 when he had his bazooka FH prior to getting injured. He almost did that to Fed at RG 09 SF. A dulltard like you should know better about players like Juanita given what players like him have done to your false god over the years. Forgot USO 09 SF bub? Regardless you have bigger issues if you think a decent level Fed would blow a CYGS chance to a weaponless pusher, slam virgin nobody like Med.

I think you don't understand the meaning of subjective. Subjective would be if dull is better at MC than Rome. Is Fed better on grass than a true fast HC. These are subjective when the differences are miniscule. You can't drive a truck through a comparison and say it's subjective.

And yes DSOTM is the greatest album of all time, for rock music anyway. Nothing subjective about it, stats and the quality of the music prove it.

 

[El Dude]

Actually, the greatest album of all time is this:

If you don't believe me, listen:

 

[El Dude]

I think you don't understand the meaning of subjective. ...

And yes DSOTM is the greatest album of all time, for rock music anyway. Nothing subjective about it, stats and the quality of the music prove it.

Now I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I can see you’re trying very hard not to get the point…

I need you to completely understand that there's not a point.

 

[the AntiPusher]

@Jelenafan did make an interesting deep-dive into some of the SFs and records of other competitors, at the time. I admire that research, and it's very interesting, TBH. The conclusion that Roddick WOULDN'T have won another one is a stretch, in my opinion, too, but it IS all just a guess. Seems that AP and Jelenafan are adamant that Roddick found his level, no matter what. I lean toward @tented's post above, where he simply said to AP that it's not unreasonable to think that Roddick might have won a couple more. He was a very consistent player, and spent 10 full years in the Top 10. I was NO fan. But all of this is supposition and conjecture. Same as imagining if the other Andy (Murray) had been born 10 years later. This thread is all conjecture and opinion, and has moved to very interesting places, especially the deeply historical stuff. The good news is, on opining about the parallel universe, no one is actually wrong.

Thanks Moxie and agreed, Tented's post was valid yet it was all based on conjecture and his opinion which he is has a right too.

 

[shawnbm]

Actually, the greatest album of all time is this:

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If you don't believe me, listen:

Priceless genius—psychedelic talkin’ muzak

 

[Kieran]

I need you to completely understand that there's not a point.

Counter-factuals and hypotheticals are part of the game, brother. Speculations, and what-ifs. The one about roddick isn’t partisan or designed to boost one player at another’s expense. It’s just a simple hypothetical, and that’s the point of it..

 

[the AntiPusher]

Counter-factuals and hypotheticals are part of the game, brother. Speculations, and what-ifs. The one about roddick isn’t partisan or designed to boost one player at another’s expense. It’s just a simple hypothetical, and that’s the point of it..

Noted.. thanks Kieran

 

[monfed]

Actually, the greatest album of all time is this:

View attachment 5457

If you don't believe me, listen:

Nice song.

This is still my fav psychedelic song ever -

Specially like the breakdown at 1:37. So trippy

 

[El Dude]

Nice song.

This is still my fav psychedelic song ever -

Specially like the breakdown at 1:37. So trippy

If we're talking about Pink Floyd, my favorite era is post-Syd Barrett, pre-DSOTM. So basically, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds. DSOTM was great and began what most probably consider their "classic" phase--along with Wish You Were Here, Animals, and the Wall, but I like that phase a tad less.

 

[monfed]

If we're talking about Pink Floyd, my favorite era is post-Syd Barrett, pre-DSOTM. So basically, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds. DSOTM was great and began what most probably consider their "classic" phase--along with Wish You Were Here, Animals, and the Wall, but I like that phase a tad less.

LOL you're definitely in the minority then because pink floyd fans either like syd or dsotm stuff so yeah you dont get to decide their greatest work but I get to laugh at your taste

The bottomline is your retarded comparison of Federer with Justin Bieber based on his popularity was dismantled. And then you tried to justify that by criticising DSOTM and my taste in music. You have no problem in dismissing my choices as subjective since you don't agree with them while being ignorant of your own choices being subjective. Typical traits of a keyboard warrior. You have a lot of growing up to do.

 

[Moxie]

LOL you're definitely in the minority then because pink floyd fans either like syd or dsotm stuff so yeah you dont get to decide their greatest work but I get to laugh at your taste

The bottomline is your retarded comparison of Federer with Justin Bieber based on his popularity was dismantled. And then you tried to justify that by criticising DSOTM and my taste in music. You have a lot of growing up to do.

OMG, you so misunderstood his point about Justin Bieber. And you still think that your taste in music and in tennis players is irrefutable. There is nothing in the past that tells us that Fed would have done better than Novak did, v Medvedev, in this USO final. Certainly not at 40. And, likewise, there is no world in which DSOTM is the greatest rock album of all time, except in your mind. It can be argued, but it is not an irrefutable fact. Try again to understand the difference between your opinion, and actual fact.

 

[monfed]

If anything the Justin Bieber comparison is more appropriate for Nadull because his tennis is unlikeable and ugly AF but he's still quite popular similar to Bieber's shitty music. And lo and behold most dulltards are fangirls similar to Justin Bieber's fanbase. And by extension, you're implying that Federer fans are like the "Beliebers". What a joke.

As for Joekovic, his tennis is shitty AND he isn't popular. You need both to be the greatest so that's why he isn't and never will be the GOAT. Federer has both that's why he's the GOAT. Simples.

I guess in this forum you're a hit if you criticize popular choices, makes you sound smarter than you actually are, for the sheep anyway.