The Rankings Thread (ATP)

[Moxie]

ALERT:

Andy Murray is now officially booted out of top 10. He is currently ranked #11.
The last time he was ranked outside top 10 was more than six years ago on 23rd June 2008.

This would mean that his draw will continue to be very tough and he will not get
a Bye in Shanghai.

When I updated the site's rankings lists earlier today, it felt odd seeing him that low. First time since June 2008 -- that's a long time.

IMO, it was inevitable! I saw it as "over-achieving" on Murray's part and it all finally caught up with him! That style of defensive counter-punching will always make the player "pay" for it eventually; aches, pains, injuries, and in general being "run down" after a few years of success! :nono :angel:

While you may not like Murray's style of play, I think it's a bit much to say he's overachieved. He beat Djokovic to win both of his major titles (to date,) and Federer on grass to win the Gold. I hope he'll return to form soon.

As to the list of new highest rankers, there is a lot to be happy for and excited about, as others have mentioned.

 

[Fiero425]

ALERT:

Andy Murray is now officially booted out of top 10. He is currently ranked #11.
The last time he was ranked outside top 10 was more than six years ago on 23rd June 2008.

This would mean that his draw will continue to be very tough and he will not get
a Bye in Shanghai.

When I updated the site's rankings lists earlier today, it felt odd seeing him that low. First time since June 2008 -- that's a long time.

IMO, it was inevitable! I saw it as "over-achieving" on Murray's part and it all finally caught up with him! That style of defensive counter-punching will always make the player "pay" for it eventually; aches, pains, injuries, and in general being "run down" after a few years of success! :nono :angel:

While you may not like Murray's style of play, I think it's a bit much to say he's overachieved. He beat Djokovic to win both of his major titles (to date,) and Federer on grass to win the Gold. I hope he'll return to form soon.

As to the list of new highest rankers, there is a lot to be happy for and excited about, as others have mentioned.

True enough, he beat a couple quality players in those major finals; still only happened 3 times! He had a period of being in the zone; Wimbledon '12 to Wimbledon '13! He hasn't really done much since; injury, surgery, and what I'm thinking, mentally spent! His style takes a toll on player and Murray exacerbates the situation by training so hard! Like Nadal, I'm just not sure he'll come close to the longevity of Federer or Agassi!

 

[nehmeth]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

 

[Fiero425]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

Another competent "also-ran" that just works too hard in practice and most of his matches; the slide is inevitable! :nono :angel:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Players seeded 5-12 have the same chance as each other of facing a Djokovic or Nadal or Federer in the QFs, so in that sense it makes not so much difference.

Not getting a bye is extra time on court, this can be a good or a bad thing.

The other difference is the opponent in the last 16. Murray can currently face Ferrer, Berdych, Raonic or Nishikori, if the results follow seeding. If he was in the top 8 at the expense of Kei, he would have to face Nishikori, Cilic, Dimitrov or Tsonga. Dare I say that, actually, when you look at those lists and ignore everything else, he may even be better off ranked where he is, than higher up?

Time will tell... The fact is if he doesn't rediscover his mojo and continues to play like the rest of the guys in the 5-12 rankings or worse than some of them, it's all rather inconsequential. Just so long as he avoids slipping outside of the top 12, because that's the stage at which you start to look at 4th rounds against Nole or Rafa in Australia. That shouldn't happen though as there are no points to defend between now and then.

Do you know what is Murray's schedule for the rest of the year?

 

[tented]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

He's No. 5, so he's actually up from where he had been recently (6-7).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rh

Or do you mean the Race to London? He's No. 7 on that.

 

[Fiero425]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

He's No. 5, so he's actually up from where he had been recently (6-7).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rh

Or do you mean the Race to London? He's No. 7 on that.

Which makes me think of resurrecting my assertion that the ATP was gutless! Ferrer has no real weapon and like Nadal, allows absolute nobodies to take him to the limit, match after match! So often Ferrer's allowed to come back and win matches when most players just don't know how to close the deal in an upset! Happening more lately obviously; thank goodness! Go Stan, Marin, & Kei! :clap

 

[nehmeth]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

He's No. 5, so he's actually up from where he had been recently (6-7).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rh

Or do you mean the Race to London? He's No. 7 on that.

Race to London... he could actually get bumped out of the WTF altogether. Berdych is only 20pts behind him and Raonic and Dimitrov are within striking distance. Overall, I expect this decline to continue as well.

 

[Moxie]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

He's No. 5, so he's actually up from where he had been recently (6-7).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rh

Or do you mean the Race to London? He's No. 7 on that.

Which makes me think of resurrecting my assertion that the ATP was gutless! Ferrer has no real weapon and like Nadal, allows absolute nobodies to take him to the limit, match after match! So often Ferrer's allowed to come back and win matches when most players just don't know how to close the deal in an upset! Happening more lately obviously; thank goodness! Go Stan, Marin, & Kei! :clap

Well, there's his inside-out forehand. And his serve placement. I'm sure you don't count footwork, speed, and point-construction as weapons. Nor the mental toughness to commit to every point. So, other than all that, it's a total joke that he's been top 3-5 for the last several years. Lucky bastard, eh?

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Regardless of rankings, will the ATP Player Of The Year be the winner of the World Tour Finals (if the winner is Djokovic/Nadal/Federer)? lot

 

[Federberg]

^If either Novak or Rafa win it, then it should be them. For me, Roger would have to win a couple more titles at least (without Novak or Rafa or Cilic or Stan winning another) before he can even be in the reckoning. Those guys have slams... Shouldn't be a pity party

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Ooops^ Your right, I meant to type Wawrinka when I typed Federer :idea:

 

[herios]

Ferrer continues his slide toward falling out of the top ten. I think the trend downward will continue with maybe somewhat of a bump during clay season.

He's No. 5, so he's actually up from where he had been recently (6-7).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rh

Or do you mean the Race to London? He's No. 7 on that.

Which makes me think of resurrecting my assertion that the ATP was gutless! Ferrer has no real weapon and like Nadal, allows absolute nobodies to take him to the limit, match after match! So often Ferrer's allowed to come back and win matches when most players just don't know how to close the deal in an upset! Happening more lately obviously; thank goodness! Go Stan, Marin, & Kei! :clap

Well, there's his inside-out forehand. And his serve placement. I'm sure you don't count footwork, speed, and point-construction as weapons. Nor the mental toughness to commit to every point. So, other than all that, it's a total joke that he's been top 3-5 for the last several years. Lucky bastard, eh?

Or endurance, moxie. Extend the match, until your opponent gets gassed. That is a weapon, a hidden one, but it is still a weapon.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Or endurance, moxie. Extend the match, until your opponent gets gassed. That is a weapon, a hidden one, but it is still a weapon.

I agree, like when you are down 5-0 and you fight back to 5-2, still lose the set 6-2 but the fighting took something out of your opponent and you end up winning the next set (that's like what Wozniacki did in the Sharapova match) :idea:

 

[DarthFed]

I'd probably give player of the year to Novak regardless of the YEC assuming he still finishes #1.

 

[Kieran]

Novak's the player of the year, regardless who finishes #1.

1 slam, 1 final, 1 semi, 1 QF.

3 MS titles.

It's a scrappy year, though, and #1 is still up for grabs. Rafa apparently will skip Beijing, so presumably he won't be in Shanghai either. Been a brutal year for po' Ralph...

 

[the AntiPusher]

Radek Stepanek "the Worm" for "Player of the Year"

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Radek Stepanek "the Worm" for "Player of the Year"

I agree Stepanek is known for defying the odds :clap

 

[DarthFed]

Novak's the player of the year, regardless who finishes #1.

1 slam, 1 final, 1 semi, 1 QF.

3 MS titles.

It's a scrappy year, though, and #1 is still up for grabs. Rafa apparently will skip Beijing, so presumably he won't be in Shanghai either. Been a brutal year for po' Ralph...

If Rafa wins YEC and another masters and finishes #1 I'd probably say he should be player of the year.

 

[Kieran]

Novak's the player of the year, regardless who finishes #1.

1 slam, 1 final, 1 semi, 1 QF.

3 MS titles.

It's a scrappy year, though, and #1 is still up for grabs. Rafa apparently will skip Beijing, so presumably he won't be in Shanghai either. Been a brutal year for po' Ralph...

If Rafa wins YEC and another masters and finishes #1 I'd probably say he should be player of the year.

Given his misfortunes this year, brother, I'd be inclined to agree...