Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain as is?

Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain as is?

  • Yes. It's fine as is.

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Yes, and you should get as many as you need to keep playing

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No. Replace the MTO with 1 time out per player for any reason.

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • No. It needs some fine tuning

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • No. Use the standard default rule, game, set, match.

    Votes: 3 33.3%

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brokenshoelace

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Front242 said:
It's called google.

Yup, which as we all know, never yields questionable results.

EDIT: Google "Nadal muscle photoshop" and see what's the first pic to pop up.
 

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Wasn't trying to imply anything other than the drop off in size and definition.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
Front242 said:
It's called google.

Yup, which as we all know, never yields questionable results.

EDIT: Google "Nadal muscle photoshop" and see what's the first pic to pop up.

Even if some are fake, just watching clips of him live taking his top off only confirms the diminishing size. It's not a big deal anyway. Merely saying he used to be more eye candy for the ladies before.
 

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Front242 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
Front242 said:
It's called google.

Yup, which as we all know, never yields questionable results.

EDIT: Google "Nadal muscle photoshop" and see what's the first pic to pop up.

Even if some are fake, just watching clips of him live taking his top off only confirms the diminishing size. It's not a big deal anyway. Merely saying he used to be more eye candy for the ladies before.

As I said, I'm agreeing with you he lost muscle mass, and it was a conscious choice following his many knee injuries (and a good one at that). However, he was obviously never as ripped as the photos above, which are inauthentic.
 

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Yeah, agree it was a wise move to help the knees but he was a ton more ripped. You think Armani would sponsor him for underwear the way he looks now?! He looked far more cut before.
 

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Front242 said:
Yeah, agree it was a wise move to help the knees but he was a ton more ripped. You think Armani would sponsor him for underwear the way he looks now?! He looked far more cut before.

Most modelling pics are heavily photoshopped anyway, so I'm sure Armani would carefully take care of that.
 

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True actually. They paint on abs these days :)
 

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Getting back to the original discussion, I definitely think the MTO has to be modified because

1) There is no certain way to tell if an injury is real or not (especially before the timeout is taken)
2) All injuries (with the exception of freak injuries like something caused by a spectator) are the responsibility of the injured to some extent. If you twist an ankle, you should have been more careful when changing direction or stopping. If you pull something, you should have warmed up better. If you start cramping, you should be better conditioned.

The MTO should not be as frictionless as it is. There is no doubt it affects the other player. Some players handle it better than others, but the point is that they shouldn't have to because it is not their responsibility at all.

At the same time, if the only options are the MTOs as they are or withdrawals, I would go with the MTOs as they are. But I think there is a middle ground in which the injured player is penalized a certain number of games. A set is probably a little bit too much, but I think a player should forfeit the remainder of the current game (if it's during a game) and then an additional 2 or 4 games. That would cause a player who is just doing it for gamesmanship to give pause before taking one and it would mildly penalize a legitimately injured player but not cause them to lose the match (unless it's almost at the end of the match).
 
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I feel as old as dirt because I remember when tennis players couldn't even leave the court to go to the restroom!
 

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1972Murat said:
Genie4Ever said:
I feel as old as dirt because I remember when tennis players couldn't even leave the court to go to the restroom!


I know...I remember a time where a towel was only used during a changeover ...:wow:

I remember changeovers without sitting down at all! :laydownlaughing:lolz:
 

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Front242 said:
Moxie629 said:
^Like Rafa coming back without his shirt on? Less than dignified, but a crowd-pleaser, nonetheless!

Maybe when he looked like this, yes. And it also shows what I said many times about him losing a lot of muscle mass and definition over the years. He was way more built and chiseled before.

Then...

450_sexy-rafa-muscles-rafael-nadal-1430717736.jpg


And now. Not so much for the ladies these days.

rafael-nadal-bikini-babe-01.jpg

Beach picture is still wayyyyy better than the eyesores I frequently see at the beach:snigger
 

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I am strongly agains MTOs for cramping. Because cramping is lack of preparation and conditioning.

I don't believe you should be given time to get a full body massage and fluids to remedy it.
 

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House said:
I am strongly agains MTOs for cramping. Because cramping is lack of preparation and conditioning.

I don't believe you should be given time to get a full body massage and fluids to remedy it.

They felt the rule governing cramps had to be changed! There were instances of someone laying on a hot court suffering while no one could touch them! It was obscene in so many ways! The last one I saw was Caroline Woz, but I remember Connors against Manuel Orantes back in to 70's allowing him to writhe on the ground and no one was allowed to do anything! Connors even asked if they could do something for the guy! The ref just shook his head "no!" We treated animals better back then so that one I can understand the change! The others having to do with lack of conditioning like you said is part of the game! I don't even think you should get 3 min.! It should be like "I can't go on folks; sorry! Maybe my opponent can hit a few with a ball boy!" :cool:
 

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Fiero425 said:
1972Murat said:
Genie4Ever said:
I feel as old as dirt because I remember when tennis players couldn't even leave the court to go to the restroom!


I know...I remember a time where a towel was only used during a changeover ...:wow:

I remember changeovers without sitting down at all! :laydownlaughing:lolz:

... and lighting up a pipe for a quick smoke.... and that was just the women...
 

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britbox said:
Fiero425 said:
1972Murat said:
Genie4Ever said:
I feel as old as dirt because I remember when tennis players couldn't even leave the court to go to the restroom!


I know...I remember a time where a towel was only used during a changeover ...:wow:

I remember changeovers without sitting down at all! :laydownlaughing:lolz:

... and lighting up a pipe for a quick smoke.... and that was just the women...

:lolz: :clap :laydownlaughing
 

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britbox said:
Fiero425 said:
1972Murat said:
Genie4Ever said:
I feel as old as dirt because I remember when tennis players couldn't even leave the court to go to the restroom!


I know...I remember a time where a towel was only used during a changeover ...:wow:

I remember changeovers without sitting down at all! :laydownlaughing:lolz:

... and lighting up a pipe for a quick smoke.... and that was just the women...

I've only seen pictures of that! By the time I started watching in earnest the summer of '73, they had pretty much cleaned that up; except of course that women's tour was being sponsored by "Virginia Slims!" Going to Avon for a few years couldn't overshandow that legacy! :nono :angel:
 

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House said:
I am strongly agains MTOs for cramping. Because cramping is lack of preparation and conditioning.

I don't believe you should be given time to get a full body massage and fluids to remedy it.

The problem is, that's the easiest problem to fake. You can just say you have a pulled muscle, and you will get the same massage and the fluids you would get as if you were cramping.
 

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1972Murat said:
House said:
I am strongly agains MTOs for cramping. Because cramping is lack of preparation and conditioning.

I don't believe you should be given time to get a full body massage and fluids to remedy it.

The problem is, that's the easiest problem to fake. You can just say you have a pulled muscle, and you will get the same massage and the fluids you would get as if you were cramping.

Oh I know. It's just a personal annoyance of mine lol. I doubt they could/would do anything about it.