Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain as is?

Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain as is?

  • Yes. It's fine as is.

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Yes, and you should get as many as you need to keep playing

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No. Replace the MTO with 1 time out per player for any reason.

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • No. It needs some fine tuning

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • No. Use the standard default rule, game, set, match.

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Total voters
    9

masterclass

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I personally believe allowing MTO (Medical Time Out) exception rule is one of the worst rule changes they ever made in tennis. It completely contradicts two other rules which states that the umpire is to not allow player extra time to recover, and the basic tenet in tennis that play must be continuous.

When I played, if one got hurt enough to not be able to continue the match, one defaulted, that's it. You either are fit enough to play without aid or not. Now they pump you with anti-inflammatory medication or give whatever treatments to help you get out on the court and finish the match.

The rule also creates a lot of controversy as one notices. It allows one to manipulate the flow of the match. Some use it as gamesmanship for disruption of the match, some as a timeout to catch a breather, some as a real aid in recovery from an injury incurred on the court.

This rule is more for the fans who paid to see a whole match and probably for the advertising sponsors, but is not good for tennis or the players in my opinion. Playing with actual injury can be more injurious to a player in the long run. On occasion it can allow a player to win a match that would not likely have been won without it, which might be good for the player that got injured, but not for the opponent.

If anything, they should dispense with the MTO and just allow all players 1 timeout per match to be used for anything they want. At least it would be more honest. But I would prefer no time out. But that's me, and I'll probably be called inhumane for this opinion.

If one gets hurt so that one cannot continue the game, then default the game to get to a changeover if necessary and get some treatment during regulation time, if one cannot recover in the time of a changeover, then default the set if necessary, and if still unable to play, default the match.

Edited title to match poll question..

Respectfully,
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RE: Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain?

Yes.
 

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RE: Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain?

Yes it should remain but there should be some changes made. I don't think they should be allowed to take an MTO during a game, meaning if they can't finish that game they should forfeit it. And if there isn't a changeover after that game they should have to forfeit the next one too. Same deal if it is coming in or right before a tiebreak.
 

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RE: Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain?

^ Yes (agree with Darth's tweak)... and they should have to remain courtside.
 

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britbox said:
^ Yes (agree with Darth's tweak)... and they should have to remain courtside.

But why remain outside? They're with the ATP trainer at all times - and as I said on the other thread, some injuries require treatment to sensitive areas that just shouldn't be done in public...
 

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DarthFed said:
Yes it should remain but there should be some changes made. I don't think they should be allowed to take an MTO during a game, meaning if they can't finish that game they should forfeit it. And if there isn't a changeover after that game they should have to forfeit the next one too. Same deal if it is coming in or right before a tiebreak.

I think it's not the changeover that's the problem, it's taking the medical time-out before an opponent's serve. I'm fine if they're allowed to take it without a changeover, as long as they're serving next. But I agree, no MTO's mid game.
 

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RE: Should the MTO exception rule be allowed to remain?

You have 2 players on court for often hours at a time, and sometimes there are issues that can be addressed which will allow play to continue. I'm sure you've seen video of the Change issue which called for the rule change. We don't want to watch people suffer on court for our amusement, and we would prefer play to retirement. You do recognize that if an injury is assessed to be such that it would further injure the player, they retire.

An example of good use of it is today. If you believe that Rafa's back was injured, as I do, then it was preferable that he take a MTO at 2-1 in the 2nd, than that he retire…for everyone involved. If his back couldn't have been seen to, the match would have been over. How would that have been for Wawrinka? Or for the fans?
 

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Kieran said:
some injuries require treatment to sensitive areas that just shouldn't be done in public...

Maybe that's why they should be treated outside. Britbox was being a promoter and had the ladies among the audience in mind.
 

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So people are reassured nothing else is going on like getting coaching advice, vitamin, B12 jabs etc...
 

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^Like Rafa coming back without his shirt on? Less than dignified, but a crowd-pleaser, nonetheless!
 

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britbox said:
So people are reassured nothing else is going on like getting coaching advice, vitamin, B12 jabs etc...

But they're always in the presence of the trainer, and an official, aren't they? They don't go anywhere alone, and their coaches are in the stand...
 

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Kieran said:
britbox said:
So people are reassured nothing else is going on like getting coaching advice, vitamin, B12 jabs etc...

But they're always in the presence of the trainer, and an official, aren't they? They don't go anywhere alone, and their coaches are in the stand...

I've no idea what goes on behind close doors, so I'd rather they weren't behind them.
 

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Moxie629 said:
^Like Rafa coming back without his shirt on? Less than dignified, but a crowd-pleaser, nonetheless!

Maybe when he looked like this, yes. And it also shows what I said many times about him losing a lot of muscle mass and definition over the years. He was way more built and chiseled before.

Then...

450_sexy-rafa-muscles-rafael-nadal-1430717736.jpg


And now. Not so much for the ladies these days.

rafael-nadal-bikini-babe-01.jpg
 

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britbox said:
Kieran said:
britbox said:
So people are reassured nothing else is going on like getting coaching advice, vitamin, B12 jabs etc...

But they're always in the presence of the trainer, and an official, aren't they? They don't go anywhere alone, and their coaches are in the stand...

I've no idea what goes on behind close doors, so I'd rather they weren't behind them.

No, that's true, but that's why there's an official there with them.

Personally speaking, I'm happier to see the match finish than a withdrawal through something that might require very little treatment. But abuses of them? How do we know when that happens? I suppose the most obvious ones are when players are treated for cramps, and in those cases, the umpires are complicit...
 

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Front, I'm embarrassed for you that you can't spot an obvious photoshop job.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Front, I'm embarrassed for you that you can't spot an obvious photoshop job.

I think Front has a bit of a thing for Rafa. He seems obsessed about his body and bodily parts and he has pictures of him saved on his computer, it seems... ;)
 

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Front, the first photoshop in the first picture is more obvious than Federer's match-up issues with Nadal. That's bad man.

Nadal lost some muscle mass willingly, because of the knee injury (you don't want to carry extra weight with shaky knees).
 

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It's called google. And here's another real photo proving how much more built he used to be.

rafael_nadal_shirtless.jpg
 

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Front242 said:
It's called google. And here's another real photo proving how much more built he used to be.

rafael_nadal_shirtless.jpg

Advice, because I like you, this is getting embarrassing. The above photo is a KNOWN photoshop of Nadal. I know what you're trying to imply, but this is truly uncomfortable.
 

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I honestly can't believe Front though both these photos -- the second in particular -- are authentic. I guess that's what happens when you have an agenda.