Shanghai Master 1000

[the AntiPusher]

Maybe that's 'cos Pouille isn't a pusher? Ever consider that? Great net play, waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger and has A TON more firepower than RBA.

RBA is no JMDP as far as putting that kind of charge into a lot of his balls but he does go after his cc forehand..however Front I see your and KS point RBA pushes from the bh

 

[Front242]

Maybe that's 'cos Pouille isn't a pusher? Ever consider that? Great net play, waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger and has A TON more firepower than RBA.

RBA is no JMDP as far as putting that kind of charge into a lot of his balls but he does go after his cc forehand..however Front I see your and KS point RBA pushes from the bh

He's a clean hitter alright but really it comes down to this. In a slam, who would you expect to make more of a statement given the game they possess...RBA or Pouille? I think that's pretty easy.

 

[Backhand_DTL]

Then if some of you have a hard time taking me seriously I don't understand why you are responding to me so badly, maybe because you know that I'm right even if you don't want to see it?
I've never has said that Novak is starting to decline but the reality is that no one can play his best for ever, they have ups and down for diferent reasons and clearly he is going through those times. Rafa is in a roller coaster for two years, before because his back injury, later a lack do confidence and when he was recovering and playing well then his wrist. Don't take me serious and don't put attention what I'm saying but I'm sure he will do better, don't you like it? sorry but what ever you or me are thinking is not going to change the results to come, it will be in their rackets and not in your or my comments.
And Federer? seriously (believe me or not) I wish that he still could play well and his knee won't give him a hard time but I think he will have a tough way (but don't take very seriously...

Carol look at it this way, RBA showed what type of tennis is effective against Djoker to Rafa & team.

Nothing special pusher tennis? If that were the case why aren't Murray and Simon beating him frequently? Novak was just crap out there, no offense to RBA, although RBA's game does suck imo.

Until the end of the first set Novak wasn't even that bad but he didn't seem to be in a particularly good mood from the beginning and starting from the point where he was unable to put away an easy volley to break for 5:4 and afterwards lost his next service game by some poor play he began showing a lot of frustration and wasn't able to find any calm and consistent good play till the end of the match.

But you're right that apart from exposing that Novak can be quite vulnerable in close moments and on big points right now, there's not much this match revealed in terms of an effective tactical approach to playing Novak.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Maybe that's 'cos Pouille isn't a pusher? Ever consider that? Great net play, waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger and has A TON more firepower than RBA.

RBA is no JMDP as far as putting that kind of charge into a lot of his balls but he does go after his cc forehand..however Front I see your and KS point RBA pushes from the bh

He's a clean hitter alright but really it comes down to this. In a slam, who would you expect to make more of a statement given the game they possess...RBA or Pouille? I think that's pretty easy.

Actually it would be RBA..Pouille is never gonna win a GS..his game isn't that consistent to endure two full weeks of intense play. Again, if he didn't defeat Rafa you probably wouldn't know how to spell his last name.( I know I wouldn't)

 

[the AntiPusher]

Carol look at it this way, RBA showed what type of tennis is effective against Djoker to Rafa & team.

Nothing special pusher tennis? If that were the case why aren't Murray and Simon beating him frequently? Novak was just crap out there, no offense to RBA, although RBA's game does suck imo.

Until the end of the first set Novak wasn't even that bad but he didn't seem to be in a particularly good mood from the beginning and starting from the point where he was unable to put away an easy volley to break for 5:4 and afterwards lost his next service game by some poor play he began showing a lot of frustration and wasn't able to find any calm and consistent good play till the end of the match.

But you're right that apart from exposing that Novak can be quite vulnerable in close moments and on big points right now, there's not much this match revealed in terms of an effective tactical approach to playing Novak.

FG...it is an effective tactical approach for someone like Nadal who can't figure out how to win a set of Novak in almost 2 years whereas RBA just did it. RBA consistently kept the ball deep on Djoker and force him to create his own angles..Rewatch the match., that was the huge difference, Novak was as sharp when he was forced to do so.

 

[Front242]

RBA is no JMDP as far as putting that kind of charge into a lot of his balls but he does go after his cc forehand..however Front I see your and KS point RBA pushes from the bh

He's a clean hitter alright but really it comes down to this. In a slam, who would you expect to make more of a statement given the game they possess...RBA or Pouille? I think that's pretty easy.

Actually it would be RBA..Pouille is never gonna win a GS..his game isn't that consistent to endure two full weeks of intense play. Again, if he didn't defeat Rafa you probably wouldn't know how to spell his last name.( I know I wouldn't)

Wrong again and I know you and other Nadal fans just dislike him 'cos he beat their hero but here are actual facts. RBA the pusher has never made it past the 4th round of any slam and is 28 and therefore has been playing much longer than the 22 year old Pouille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bautista_Agut

Now check Pouille's slam results. 2 x 1/4 finals already this year and he's only 22. It's clear you don't like him, but it's also clear you've completely underrated him and he's a better player than RBA already at the slams and is 6 years younger and likely a much higher ceiling given he's already performed better than RBA has with 6 years more on tour. Pouille is not a pusher, goes after his shots and has a much more offensive game. Pushers don't ever win anything of note.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Pouille

 

[Kieran]

Any predictions for the final tomorrow? Murray in straights? Or Andy in straights? What'll it be?

 

[Carol]

Actually, I find your view somewhat fascinating because I've never encountered someone quite so blindly biased about their player before.

But see my other post. I think the chances of Rafa returning to his prime form are about 10%, maybe less.

If Rafa was 27 or 28, then I'd give him much better chances. But he's 30 years old, has been diminished for two and a half years now. Evidently that means nothing to you.

I'm glad that you find my view somewhat fascinating but I could say the same about all of you (Federer's fans) quite so blindy blased about their player before

For one thing, unlike you I don't put all Rafa fans into one category. You are in your own category of biased fangirlism.

Secondly, how am I "blindly biased" about Federer? Read my "Big Four Outlook" post and tell me how I'm being blindly biased.

My bad, I don't put all the Federer's fans into the same category either, I know some of them good ones (not too many) with very different opinion of someones around here
And why I'm for you in my own category? because I don't say that Rafa is in decline like some of you and someone of his fans are thinking and saying? when I think he is then I will tell you.
I agree that his mind is in decline but not his body like you repeatedly like to say, not yet....

 

[Front242]

^ :cover

 

[the AntiPusher]

He's a clean hitter alright but really it comes down to this. In a slam, who would you expect to make more of a statement given the game they possess...RBA or Pouille? I think that's pretty easy.

Actually it would be RBA..Pouille is never gonna win a GS..his game isn't that consistent to endure two full weeks of intense play. Again, if he didn't defeat Rafa you probably wouldn't know how to spell his last name.( I know I wouldn't)

Wrong again and I know you and other Nadal fans just dislike him 'cos he beat their hero but here are actual facts. RBA the pusher has never made it past the 4th round of any slam and is 28 and therefore has been playing much longer than the 22 year old Pouille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bautista_Agut

Now check Pouille's slam results. 2 x 1/4 finals already this year and he's only 22. It's clear you don't like him, but it's also clear you've completely underrated him and he's a better player than RBA already at the slams and is 6 years younger and likely a much higher ceiling given he's already performed better than RBA has with 6 years more on tour. Pouille is not a pusher, goes after his shots and has a much more offensive game. Pushers don't ever win anything of note.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Pouille

It's not that I don't like him but it's the fact that Pouille is N O body. Yeah I acknowledge he had a good win over Rafa, no excuses but the next round he got clowned by Monfils.However you did the same thing about Lukas the clown Rosol. What has he done since he upset Rafa at Wimbledon a few years ago.not a damn thing.

 

[Front242]

Actually it would be RBA..Pouille is never gonna win a GS..his game isn't that consistent to endure two full weeks of intense play. Again, if he didn't defeat Rafa you probably wouldn't know how to spell his last name.( I know I wouldn't)

Wrong again and I know you and other Nadal fans just dislike him 'cos he beat their hero but here are actual facts. RBA the pusher has never made it past the 4th round of any slam and is 28 and therefore has been playing much longer than the 22 year old Pouille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bautista_Agut

Now check Pouille's slam results. 2 x 1/4 finals already this year and he's only 22. It's clear you don't like him, but it's also clear you've completely underrated him and he's a better player than RBA already at the slams and is 6 years younger and likely a much higher ceiling given he's already performed better than RBA has with 6 years more on tour. Pouille is not a pusher, goes after his shots and has a much more offensive game. Pushers don't ever win anything of note.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Pouille

It's not that I don't like him but it's the fact that Pouille is N O body. Yeah I acknowledge he had a good win over Rafa, no excuses but the next round he got clowned by Monfils.However you did the same thing about Lukas the clown Rosol. What has he done since he upset Rafa at Wimbledon a few years ago.not a damn thing.

Er, no I didn't ever claim anything about Rosol like you're making out actually. When did he ever make 2 slam 1/4 finals and when did I say he did or was capable of doing so? Rosol has a good game for grass and that's about it. And the next round you're referring to that Pouille lost in was the quarter final which is more than RBA has ever achieved. Not long till the next slam so we'll see who goes further, RBA or Pouille. My guess is Pouille's slam results in 2017 will be better than RBA's yet again.

 

[Carol]

Novak-RBA match replay is starting now on TC.

 

[Carol]

Any predictions for the final tomorrow? Murray in straights? Or Andy in straights? What'll it be?

Muzz in straights

 

[Kieran]

I like Pouille, Front. I dunno why you're saying nadal fans don't like him. We are capable of appreciating a good performance, you know, while not taking it personal...

 

[Front242]

I like Pouille, Front. I dunno why you're saying nadal fans don't like him. We are capable of appreciating a good performance, you know, while not taking it personal...

Sorry Kieran. I recall you saying you liked his game alright and don't want to sound like Carol pigeon holing all fans into one basket. He's a very impressive player and I look forward to watching his progress next year. Looks much older than 22 but he is only 22 so he has a lot time to do good things.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Wrong again and I know you and other Nadal fans just dislike him 'cos he beat their hero but here are actual facts. RBA the pusher has never made it past the 4th round of any slam and is 28 and therefore has been playing much longer than the 22 year old Pouille.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Bautista_Agut

Now check Pouille's slam results. 2 x 1/4 finals already this year and he's only 22. It's clear you don't like him, but it's also clear you've completely underrated him and he's a better player than RBA already at the slams and is 6 years younger and likely a much higher ceiling given he's already performed better than RBA has with 6 years more on tour. Pouille is not a pusher, goes after his shots and has a much more offensive game. Pushers don't ever win anything of note.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Pouille

It's not that I don't like him but it's the fact that Pouille is N O body. Yeah I acknowledge he had a good win over Rafa, no excuses but the next round he got clowned by Monfils.However you did the same thing about Lukas the clown Rosol. What has he done since he upset Rafa at Wimbledon a few years ago.not a damn thing.

Er, no I didn't ever claim anything about Rosol like you're making out actually. When did he ever make 2 slam 1/4 finals and when did I say he did or was capable of doing so? Rosol has a good game for grass and that's about it. And the next round you're referring to that Pouille lost in was the quarter final which is more than RBA has ever achieved.

laydownlaughing:nono Front I never heard of you until that day you stuck your chest out for ole goofy Lukas because I wrote a less than flattering post about his win over Rafa. You have been the only One who has provided Rosol a fan base or audience to discuss his merits. RBA just made a master series 1000 final..I think that is a higher accomplishment than making it to the qtr finals of a grand slam. (I am quite certain this will lead to some lengthy discussions). Remember Baghdatis have advanced very far at majors but Never won a master series to my knowledge.

 

[Carol]

Pouille is close to be the next #1

 

[the AntiPusher]

Pouille is close to be the next #1

I just called my mother in law in Vegas to put down $25 on a Pouille odds of winning the AO..I think I stand to win a couple of grand ,,thanks for the tip Fronty

 

[Carol]

Pouille is close to be the next #1

I just called my mother in law in Vegas to put down $25 on a Pouille odds of winning the AO..I think I stand to win a couple of grand ,,thanks for the tip Fronty

lot :snicker

Bautista has played very good the first set. Now it's coming the second one.....and first racket broken

 

[Carol]

I hope tomorrow to see a good match like this one. Both players have played very good, what a shots to the corners and very good rallies by both of them but Bautista was the best player :clap