SERENA RETURNS TO INDIAN WELLS !

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colleen66 said:
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Serena has announced, in a Time Magazine interview she will return to Indian Wells this year. Here is the article, and a video of Serena announcing her decision.

http://time.com/3694659/serena-williams-indian-wells/#3694659/serena-williams-indian-wells/

Personally, I'm at a loss for words right now. However, my 1st reaction after reading the article and watching the video is :

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

So, Bounce It, are you maybe just a little happy, lol?

I had to Bounce this one before I could articulate an intelligent response, but ya, my initial reaction was happy. Happy for Serena, as to me, it demonstrates her growth as a person.

Forgiveness, as I have had to learn the hard way as an adult, and I am talking about genuine, heart-felt forgiveness, is about the person doing the forgiving, not about the recipient. It speaks volumes about Serena's inner peace that she can take this step. Having watched the 2001 match several times, it wasn't her inner peace that won the title for her. It was about her heart, her inner drive, and her anger!

In hindsight, the 19 year old Serena showed us what she would be capable of in the the years to come, including her ability to collect herself, when things are not going so well, and stay focused to win the match. It is absolutely amazing that 1) She actually played the match, and 2) She won it !

I cannot imagine any other 19 year old professional athlete stepping up to the plate in such a manner, in those circumstances. And there is no doubt other black athletes have been subjected to similar treatment, when they began their professional careers, in America, including, MLB, NBA, NFL and NCAA, although maybe not in a such major setting.

Is Serena talking about a kiss and make up with IW? :hug Nahhhh, she is talking about her growth and desire to help others, and that is also a good thing. :clap
 

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I think we need to leave the 'colour' out of it quite frankly,my own personal opinion

If not for the CEO of Indian Wells,also the owner of the tournament Larry Ellison giving Serena their upmost assurance coming back to Indian Wells and making certain she feels comfortable,I don't think Serena would have played.As for Venus she said she supported her sister,though she wont be playing at Indian Wells.
 

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fashionista said:
I think we need to leave the 'colour' out of it quite frankly,my own personal opinion

We cannot leave the "color" out of it as it is an integral part of the story.

However, couple of fans here who are posting seem lot bitter than Serena herself.
Serena says she is big enough, strong enough and kind enough to forgive and play
there. Just appreciate her and move on folks.

Mahatma Gandhi said "the weak can never forgive; forgiveness is the attribute of strong".

Remember Nelson Mandela's quote: "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping
your enemies will die".

On a lighter note, Oscar Wilde said: "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much".
 

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^ Well I am entitled to my own opinion thank you very much
Yes I am also aware of those famous quotes.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
However, couple of fans here who are posting seem lot bitter than Serena herself.

I find this infinitely funny, I mean their righteousness is an example of ridiculousness of the highest order. They know better than their idol, that is amazing!
 

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Serena Forgives, But Doesn't Forget

Serena Forgives, But Doesn't Forget


We've been watching Serena Williams play tennis for 17 years now. For those 17 years, we've dissected her every move, from her relationships to her injuries to her attitude to her wardrobe choices.

We've been lucky enough to see her make history, most recently last Sunday in Melbourne, when Serena Williams won her sixth Australian Open, her 19th Grand Slam overall.

But now, it's time to stop watching her and talking about her. Now, we simply need to listen to her.

On Wednesday, Serena announced that she was officially ending her 13-year boycott of the Indian Wells tennis tournament in March.

"Indian Wells was a pivotal moment of my story, and I am a part of the tournament's story as well," she wrote in an essay announcing her decision in Time. "Together we have a chance to write a different *ending."

To understand what a huge deal this is, you have to go back to 2001. At the time, Serena was a 19-year-old with only one Slam to her name, the 1999 U.S. Open. Since winning that title, she hadn't made it back to a major final. She was ranked No. 10 in the world, and seeded seventh at Indian Wells. Her sister Venus was a 20-year-old two-time major champion, and ranked No. 3.

The two African-American siblings were already making headlines and history, but they weren't legends yet, and they certainly weren't universally adored.

They were slated to play each other in the semifinals at the tournament, but Venus pulled out before the match due to an injury. Although the Williams family has said that Venus told tournament officials of her withdrawal hours before, the tournament didn't make an announcement until right before the match, which angered many fans and media members. Rumors that the Williams family fixed the matches between Serena and Venus were already running rampant, and this didn't help.

When Serena came out onto the court to face a young Kim Clijsters in the final, she was greeted with a chorus of boos and jeers. They continued as Venus and their father and coach, Richard Williams, made their way to their seats. (Venus has also not played the tournament since 2001, and has currently not announced any plans to play this year.)

In the hours since Serena announced her comeback, I've been hearing the same sentiment echoed from many members of the tennis community and the media at large: "It's about time."

That's far from surprising, considering the sentiments that have been echoed in the 14 years since this ugly incident: That Serena and Venus were being selfish for not going back to Indian Wells. That they were punishing their fans. That the incident hadn't been that bad, really.

That they needed to just get over it.

Most of these people saying such things in the media are (like most media members) white, middle-class, middle-aged and male. In other words, people who rarely feel out of place due to their skin color or gender. People who could not possibly understand what the Williams family went through on that day back in 2001.

So, of course, the sooner Serena and Venus got over it and returned to Indian Wells, the sooner we could all put this horrible, embarrassing incident in the past. We could stop talking about it every year and simply forget about it.

Not only are these thoughts insensitive and dismissive of the feelings, they're also selfish.

You can't put a timeline on a person's recovery. This is something that the Williams Sisters had to work through in their own way, in their own time. And if Serena decided to never step foot back on Indian Wells ground again -- and if Venus still never does -- that decision would be just as legitimate and respectable as this one.

If you don't believe me, then you need to be a better listener.

Go back to the clip. Turn up the volume. Hear the boos rain down from all corners of the stadium. Watch the look on the faces of Serena and Venus and Richard as the boos get louder and more hostile as time goes on. Read what Serena said in her Time essay about what an impact those boos had on her:

…The under*current of racism was painful, confusing and unfair. In a game I loved with all my heart, at one of my most cherished tournaments, I suddenly felt unwelcome, alone and afraid.

For all their practice, preparation and confidence, even the best competitors in every sport have a voice of doubt inside them that says they are not good enough. I am lucky that whatever fear I have inside me, my desire to win is always stronger.

When I was booed at Indian Wells -- by what seemed like the whole world -- my voice of doubt became real. I didn't understand what was going on in that moment. But worse, I had no desire to even win. It happened very quickly.

Somehow, Serena was able to win on that day, fighting off Clijsters in three sets and even graciously addressing the crowd afterwards. But it didn't end there.

This haunted me for a long time. It haunted Venus and our family as well. But most of all, it angered and saddened my father. He dedicated his whole life to prepping us for this incredible journey, and there he had to sit and watch his daughter being taunted, sparking cold memories of his experiences growing up in the South.

In his book that came out last year, Richard addressed the incident as well:

The chorus of boos that cascaded through the stadium sent a powerful message to America, to Venus, to Serena, and to me. It was a message from the past, one America tries to put behind it but can never forget. It was a snapshot from the days when the open humiliation of the black race was accepted without question. Accusations and racial epithets flew through the stadium.

Serena has grown as a person over the past 13 years. But, perhaps more importantly, so have those around her. She used to feel like such an outsider -- and I'm sure she still does at times -- but now she is not only appreciated, but respected almost universally in the tennis community.

In her Time essay, Serena specifically notes the incident last year when the president of the Russian tennis federation, Shamil Tarpischev, went on a Russian TV show and called Venus and Serena the "Williams brothers." Immediately, he was fined and suspended by the WTA. Whereas she used to feel like she was a part of a community that didn't have her back, now she feels differently.

She's also nearing the end of her career, and there's no doubt that part of this is as an attempt to turn one of the ugliest parts of her career into something beautiful. It's something she wants to do, for herself, but she also realizes that this is bigger than that.

Serena is using her Indian Wells comeback to raise money for the Equal Justice Initiative, a nonprofit organization that provides legal representation to indigent defendants and prisoners who have been denied fair and just treatment in the legal system. (You can read more about her fundraising goals here.)

I have thought about going back to Indian Wells many times over my career. I said a few times that I would never play there again. And believe me, I meant it. I admit it scared me. What if I walked onto the court and the entire crowd booed me? The nightmare would start all over.


It has been difficult for me to forget spending hours crying in the Indian Wells locker room after winning in 2001, driving back to Los Angeles feeling as if I had lost the biggest game ever -- not a mere tennis game but a bigger fight for equality.

I hope, more than anything, that Serena's return to Indian Wells is magical. I hope that she receives more love and crowd support than she could ever dream. I hope that it is a time to celebrate progress and for Serena and the entire tennis community to do some healing.

But I also hope that we can all accept that this isn't about erasing the past, but rather, it's about coming together to build a better future. By tying her comeback to the Equal Justice Initiative, Serena is sending a very clear message that while she is ready to forgive and move on, she's never going to forget about what happened. Neither should we.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...a-wells-return

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RE: Serena Forgives, But Doesn't Forget

I think any event in our lives,like the one Serena experienced at Indian Wells become a great leveller.
Serena can look back,yes it will always hurt,moving forward Serena has gained a sense of humility,understanding and most of all the power of forgiveness,which is the greatest asset in life a person can achieve.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
fashionista said:
I think we need to leave the 'colour' out of it quite frankly,my own personal opinion

We cannot leave the "color" out of it as it is an integral part of the story.

However, couple of fans here who are posting seem lot bitter than Serena herself.
Serena says she is big enough, strong enough and kind enough to forgive and play
there. Just appreciate her and move on folks.

Mahatma Gandhi said "the weak can never forgive; forgiveness is the attribute of strong".

Remember Nelson Mandela's quote: "Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping
your enemies will die".

On a lighter note, Oscar Wilde said: "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much".

Well said !
 

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As I said we All Have Our Own Opinions regarding the Colour and Race
Neither one is right or wrong by the way,NO It Dosent Have To Be Mentioned Either All The Time,as Tennis Fans we are Quite Aware of the Situation.
 

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When I watch a match, I don't care about nationality or color. Good tennis is good tennis and this sport is great enough to overcome these narrow minded folk who are tied down by which flag the players were born under or what color their skin is.
 

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Let me be quite clear,as I dont want to have to repeat myself,

I have watched women's tennis bodering on nearly 40 years,I have had the pleasure of watching some Incredible champions in that time.

I happen to be one of Serena Williams biggest fans ever,though with any of my favorite players,I always try to remain objective and subjective.I honestly believe if she can match or surpass Steffi Graf,another one of my favorite players,Serena will be the Greatest Female Tennis Player in the History of Womens tennis.I have had the pleasure of watching Serena many times live over the years,in Australia and overseas.I also believe she has the best serve in the history of womens tennis.
Though over the years,there have been countless discussions regarding Serena using her race and colour as a excuse at times,also bringing it up at when she has been backed into a corner over certain things.That is why I prefer to leave out the 'colour and race' out of any of Serena's wonderful accomplishements,both on and off the court.To me Serena is One Of The Greatest Woman Tennis Players to ever have picked up a tennis racquet,when I watch Serena I dont look at her colour or race,I look at the wonderful tennis athlete that she is.We as tennis fans should be grateful that she still has the love and passion for our game of tennis,also she is still breaking records.May she continue in that vein.
 

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Your may not look at colour, but 95% of the tennis community looks at colour. And colour is always the leading factor when discussing Venus and Serena.
 

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special700 said:
Your may not look at colour, but 95% of the tennis community looks at colour. And colour is always the leading factor when discussing Venus and Serena.

Nah dude, the leading factor when discussing Venus and Serena is their serve. It's obvious.
 

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special700 said:
Your may not look at colour, but 95% of the tennis community looks at colour. And colour is always the leading factor when discussing Venus and Serena.

IMO, true tennis lovers are looking at the tennis. They admire Serena's movement, serve and drive. Venus is adored for her "never-say-die" attitude and her positive demeanor even when she loses matches that she should have won. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and fans of S&V respond to the anonymous trolls who use the forums to spout their racist hate. Yes, they ( the trolls) sometimes make the most noise, but it does not mean that they are the majority or represent most tennis lovers.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Great news, I welcome it.

I am not sure whether I would do it, if I were in her shoes.

It is even more difficult to do so when you are in strong position as she is right now.
She does not need the tournament as much as the tournament needs her.

Perhaps, may be one can forgive only from a strong position.

That reminds me of something I came across more years ago than I care to remember:

If you're wrong, you can't afford not to say you're sorry, and if you're right, you can afford to :)
 

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special700 said:
Your may not look at colour, but 95% of the tennis community looks at colour. And colour is always the leading factor when discussing Venus and Serena.

Sorry that's an absolute overstatement. Sure race plays an issue, especially subliminal, and especially in the beginning of there career. Things have changed a lot and not recognizing that is to not recognize one of the greatest contributions Venus and Serena have given in American tennis.
 

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all that booing was at the height of the suspicion t(2001-04)t hat the Williams sisters and/or their father used to decide who would win any particular match beforehand..

btw I didn't read all these poasts. I just nipped in here, so don't start on me, i'm not in the mood for aggro, maybe a few rascist comments were emitted by folks back then but the main part of fan agitation was the default semi-final and the fans thinking everything the Williams clan did was rigged up before the start of any matches.

so..possibly some racism, plus upset fans booing at perceived rigged/pre-determined matches.
 

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JesuslookslikeBorg said:
all that booing was at the height of the suspicion t(2001-04)t hat the Williams sisters and/or their father used to decide who would win any particular match beforehand..

btw I didn't read all these poasts. I just nipped in here, so don't start on me, i'm not in the mood for aggro, maybe a few rascist comments were emitted by folks back then but the main part of fan agitation was the default semi-final and the fans thinking everything the Williams clan did was rigged up before the start of any matches.

so..possibly some racism, plus upset fans booing at perceived rigged/pre-determined matches.
Dementieva was in the midst of that storm because after her loss she insinuated that their matches were rigged by Richard.Clijsters has also been at the center of all Serena s incidents with the public...the 2009 incident,then Serena was seriously injured in Munich .. was on her way to that Kim exho.Kim always brought bad karma to Serena....
I am glad that Serena and Venus have done very well to over shadow these jealous girls.from Capriati.Clijsters,Dementieva and all those players of that generation...to imagine that Dementieva is still being messy after all these years and to see her sit there with that man who called the sisters names ...#thethirstisreal:popcorn
 

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JesuslookslikeBorg said:
all that booing was at the height of the suspicion t(2001-04)t hat the Williams sisters and/or their father used to decide who would win any particular match beforehand..

btw I didn't read all these poasts. I just nipped in here, so don't start on me, i'm not in the mood for aggro, maybe a few rascist comments were emitted by folks back then but the main part of fan agitation was the default semi-final and the fans thinking everything the Williams clan did was rigged up before the start of any matches.

so..possibly some racism, plus upset fans booing at perceived rigged/pre-determined matches.
And that accusation came from the Demented one and after she started that firestorm she said "I was only kidding". Another thing that I just don't understand is why the tournament never took responsibility for this entire thing. Venus told them way ahead of time that she will not be able to play and they did not announce it until a couple of mins before the match. That is why Venus said she would never play there again, because the officials did not come out and said they she notify them way before the match started. They made it seem like it was something the sisters planned. I support Serena on whatever she decides, however, I don't blame Venus for not going back there.
 

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Well Venus does support Serena in her decision to go play at Indian Wells,though she has come out and said she wont be playing,which is fair enough that is her choice.