Serena Accused of Gamesmanship

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JJ:

“She’s the No. 1 player in the world, and she plays so well. She’s by far the best player. She deserves to be in this spot. But I think it’s also when you play, winning or losing, you have to be up there and be a good sportsman.”

LI Na:

Li Na and Jelena Jankovic were confused that a fatigued Serena Williams got stronger as her matches progressed in the semifinals and final. “So this is the reason why she lives in Los Angeles, right?” Li joked, seemingly referring to Hollywood’s acting population. “No, I mean, I don’t know ‑‑ I don’t know what happened with her, but when she started the match, she’s already feeling like [she's going to] die. But in the final set, she can serve 180 [kmh, or 112 mph], 190 [kmh, or 118 mph]. I have no idea about this.”


JJ:

Jankovic was a little more forthright in her comments about Williams. “I never saw her [play sluggishly] when she’s leading. Every time she has a lead, she’s running for the balls and she’s hitting those big serves. For some reason, every time she starts losing, she starts serving slower or not running for certain balls. That’s something that as a player you have to pay attention to. It’s not the first time when we played that she’s doing this. That’s I think her way of playing or maybe when she plays against me. I don’t know.



http://tennis.si.com/2013/10/28/serena-williams-jelena-jankovic-li-na-wta-championships/?sct=obinsite
 

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Jankovic is polarising and jealous...plus that Nguyen character is like a tabloid journalist,she is not a very good journalist just gossipy writing.
Li has lost 10-1...bwahaha..she is just jealous as for JJ she has a history against Serena and Venus of being borderline racist and jealous.
I noticed the way Serena was looking at Na li and felt that there is no love lost between the two....
Nali was used by JJ in that Stuttgatt match that she won over Serena,JJ was desperate to get to no.1 and was sitting in the stands during that match mugging to the camera.
well go and eat crow you two....bwahahaha
I doubt that Serena is having sleepless nights over JJ or Na li nonsense....Na li 10-1...JJ 8-4=18-5..lol
 

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I have no problem thinking that Serena gets up to gamesmanship on court (gameswomanship?) because I've seen her do things which were basically cheating. She's not afraid to cross that line.

But a player finding energy from somewhere to turn a match in their favour? The two players in question should look at themselves on court, not their opponent...
 

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Kieran said:
I have no problem thinking that Serena gets up to gamesmanship on court (gameswomanship?) because I've seen her do things which were basically cheating. She's not afraid to cross that line.

But a player finding energy from somewhere to turn a match in their favour? The two players in question should look at themselves on court, not their opponent...

Excuse me but could you please tell me when and where you have seen Serena cheat in a match. Serena does not need to cheat in any damn match to win because she has all the tools in her game to win a match out right without cheating. Do not hate her or lie on her because she's damn good at what she does. Again, it would be great if you can post some yout tube videos of where Serena cheated in a match.
 

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Don't hate her. I don't lie.

Grunting like a toppling sky-scraper in the US Open final, which the umpire correctly penalised her for, was cheating.

Have a nice day now... :)
 

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Kieran said:
Don't hate her. I don't lie.

Grunting like a toppling sky-scraper in the US Open final, which the umpire correctly penalised her for, was cheating.

Have a nice day now... :)

Are you really serious with that reply? You are really pressing.....
 

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Don't hate Serena because she keeps kicking your favs butt she can't help being a tennis genius this is what she was born to do.
 

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I don't think it is bad sportsmanship to change the pace of your play. It isn't the first time Serena has been sluggish or mopey or moody in a match. Again, I didn't realize Serena was required to hit her serve at one consistent pace or go for every single ball. Did the WTA create a rule for Serena that states she has to maintain a certain serve speed? I mean it sucks, but if Serena realizes at 5-1 she is probably going to loses that set why should she go all out and waste energy so to speak if she will have to play a 3rd set. Sometimes Serena will play her B or C game and it is enough because everyone else is just not as good as she is. That doesn't make Serena a bad person just a smart person. Anyway, this is why Jelena Jankovic is where she is because she doesn't focus on her own game and focuses on every other thing but what she can do to win the match.
 

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special700 said:
Don't hate Serena because she keeps kicking your favs butt she can't help being a tennis genius this is what she was born to do.

This comment is aimed at absolutely no one. You're seeing factionalism where it doesn't even feature.
 

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There is a thing called "playing possum" which a few ATP/WTA players could be guilty as charged. I won't say Serena was playing possum because we've seen her play at a low level in several matches. As Sunday said, usually her B or C game will still win her the match. There are times when the B or C game isn't enough because the opponent is on fire.

Serena has every right to decide I'm not losing this match today so I better get my butt in gear. Whatever Serena decides to do (serve slower, not move her feet, generate a ton of errors, etc) has no bearing on what should be happening on the other side of the net. JJ and Li have been playing long enough to know that. It's probably why they both have underachieved. Li could have many more titles if she was worried about not turning into an UE machine. Same for JJ. Her concern should be getting a good first serve in and continuing to be a wall to thwart her opponents offense.

Everything else just sounds like sour grapes IMO.
 

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Kiu said:
In my mind Strategies like this is OK!
Gamesmanship is part of the game.
...:lolz:..just sour grapes from the two bffs..I bet you that JJ was in every ear of the seven players busy talking about Serena .
JJ has always displayed jealous and borderline racism against the sisters.....just dont know what her problem is...karma can be a female dog and JJ is getting some of it.
This kind of jealousy reared its ugly head around 2002 when Serena abd Venus were in in every final and Dementieva was the loudest at condemning the sisters calling their wins family decisions and she retired without a slam,same with Safina and JJ they will all retire slamless.
 

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Kieran said:
Don't hate her. I don't lie.

Grunting like a toppling sky-scraper in the US Open final, which the umpire correctly penalised her for, was cheating.

Have a nice day now... :)

I don't remember Serena being penalized for grunting in any

USO final. If you're speaking of the hindrance call vs Sammy

Serena yelled " come on " when she saw that Sam would not

be able to return the ball. The ref said she hindered Sam from

returning the ball which is a very debatable call and can hardly

be called " cheating " . It was a very controversal judgement

call by the ref that is still being questioned today. Serena is one

of the cleanest players on tour unlike some of her opponents

over the years and also the victim of obvious bad calls by refs

against her.

I think She would be on the list of most cheated on players

in history. Its been..... If you can't beat her ....cheat her.



And for Li Na to accuse Serena of cheating when she was

given a warning for coaching from Carlos. And we all know

about JJ's antics.
 

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Miss Atomic Bomb said:

I dont why they are complaining about Serena not playing well.
Just this year we have seen what happens when Serena plays
well against these girls.

Wait, Junkovic herself said Serena was 'serving slow and not
running for shots'. So Serena was not playing well, and these
girls were complaining about it
 

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RJD11 said:
It was a very controversal judgement

call by the ref that is still being questioned today.

It's still being questioned today? By who? It was a deliberate act of cheating, the ump called her on it - get over it. Maybe her fans are still questioning it, because in their eyes Serena can do no wrong. But back in reality, it's cheating and she was penalised for it.

Correctly so...
 

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Kieran said:
RJD11 said:
It was a very controversal judgement

call by the ref that is still being questioned today.

It's still being questioned today? By who? It was a deliberate act of cheating, the ump called her on it - get over it. Maybe her fans are still questioning it, because in their eyes Serena can do no wrong. But back in reality, it's cheating and she was penalised for it.

Correctly so...
...2011 is so yesterday..:lolz:..2013 was a superb year for Serena whether you like her or not..beat Jankovic three times this year..:snigger...she redeemed herself in 2012 and 2013..by beating pova ,Na li,JJ,vika,Caro..and many others.:lolz:
 

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tossip said:
Kieran said:
RJD11 said:
It was a very controversal judgement

call by the ref that is still being questioned today.

It's still being questioned today? By who? It was a deliberate act of cheating, the ump called her on it - get over it. Maybe her fans are still questioning it, because in their eyes Serena can do no wrong. But back in reality, it's cheating and she was penalised for it.

Correctly so...
...2011 is so yesterday..:lolz:..2013 was a superb year for Serena whether you like her or not..beat Jankovic three times this year..:snigger...she redeemed herself in 2012 and 2013..by beating pova ,Na li,JJ,vika,Caro..and many others.:lolz:

Finally we have a Serena fan willing to admit she's less than perfect. I was beginning to wonder if you guys were all hypnotised members of some showbiz cult thingy...
 

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Kieran said:
RJD11 said:
It was a very controversal judgement

call by the ref that is still being questioned today.

It's still being questioned today? By who? It was a deliberate act of cheating, the ump called her on it - get over it. Maybe her fans are still questioning it, because in their eyes Serena can do no wrong. But back in reality, it's cheating and she was penalised for it.

Correctly so...

ARe you kidding me? Like RJD said Serena is the cleanest player on the WTA she has 17 majors and does not need to cheat to win titles. In that case then everyone who shouts common is cheating. Like i said don't hate her because she kicks your favs butts. I've said this before and I will say it again. Serena is not only a tennis player, but she is a student of the game she knows the game inside out she knows how to strategize, she can dig herself out of a hole like a magician, she has a very high understanding of the game and that is why she is so successful. She has a very high tennis acumen. Serena is not a ball basher. Until these other players learn the game like Serena and take it to her when they play her, Serena will never have a challenger in the WTA plain and simple.
 

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special700 said:
ARe you kidding me? Like RJD said Serena is the cleanest player on the WTA she has 17 majors and does not need to cheat to win titles. In that case then everyone who shouts common is cheating. Like i said don't hate her because she kicks your favs butts. I've said this before and I will say it again. Serena is not only a tennis player, but she is a student of the game she knows the game inside out she knows how to strategize, she can dig herself out of a hole like a magician, she has a very high understanding of the game and that is why she is so successful. She has a very high tennis acumen. Serena is not a ball basher. Until these other players learn the game like Serena and take it to her when they play her, Serena will never have a challenger in the WTA plain and simple.

You're confused.

First off, Serena will never beat Rafa - even with his dodgy knees - so don't bring my "favs" into it unless you want to look less than you are.

Second, it has nothing to do with her beating opponents or how many slams she won.

Thirdly, she was called on it by the ump, so it's a matter of record.

I suppose the umpire should be glad Serena didn't offer a gratuitous courtside tennis-ball enema, but maybe she's too nice to offer them to anyone except lowly linespeople...
 

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Kieran said:
special700 said:
ARe you kidding me? Like RJD said Serena is the cleanest player on the WTA she has 17 majors and does not need to cheat to win titles. In that case then everyone who shouts common is cheating. Like i said don't hate her because she kicks your favs butts. I've said this before and I will say it again. Serena is not only a tennis player, but she is a student of the game she knows the game inside out she knows how to strategize, she can dig herself out of a hole like a magician, she has a very high understanding of the game and that is why she is so successful. She has a very high tennis acumen. Serena is not a ball basher. Until these other players learn the game like Serena and take it to her when they play her, Serena will never have a challenger in the WTA plain and simple.

You're confused.

First off, Serena will never beat Rafa - even with his dodgy knees - so don't bring my "favs" into it unless you want to look less than you are.

Second, it has nothing to do with her beating opponents or how many slams she won.

Thirdly, she was called on it by the ump, so it's a matter of record.

I suppose the umpire should be glad Serena didn't offer a gratuitous courtside tennis-ball enema, but maybe she's too nice to offer them to anyone except lowly linespeople...
...:lolz:..11 titles and $12mil..can bring the detractors from the woodwork...this season has been sweeet music to all Serena fans.She started 2013 with a title and finish the year with a title...
:lolz: