Roland Garros 2017, Paris, France, ATP GRAND SLAM

[kskate2]

Results from the French Open Men's Singles Round 1 matches on Tuesday

 

[the AntiPusher]

Tsonga seems to be one of the players that many secretly hope, in their heart of hearts, can pull down a big one before he retires. At 32, that seems highly unlikely, but you just never know.

You never know..El Dude I recall years ago when I was a kid..Andres Gomez defeated Agassi at the French Open

Remember TJ defeated Safin (Marat had two blonde beauties escorts in his player's box the last week of the tournament) at AO

Anything can happen

 

[Carol]

You never know..El Dude I recall years ago when I was a kid..Andres Gomez defeated Agassi at the French Open

Remember TJ defeated Safin (Marat had two blonde beauties escorts in his player's box the last week of the tournament) at AO

Anything can happen

I see those two blonde beauties didn't help him too much, bottom line: less show off and more game lol

 

[Moxie]

Hey Hey..what's going on with my dark horse pick, JowillieTs..is down 4-5.. what gives?

He was committing a lot of UFEs, and there was a question about his shoulder, as his serve speed was very low at one point. But Olivo has been playing great, for the most part.

 

[Moxie]

Tsonga seems to be one of the players that many secretly hope, in their heart of hearts, can pull down a big one before he retires. At 32, that seems highly unlikely, but you just never know.

I'm in that camp, and I certainly don't want to see him go out in R1 here.

 

[mrzz]

Who knows, mrzz. 9 RG titles is amazing, 10 slightly more amazing. My point--which I think you agree with--is that any specific number isn't inherently amazing because of what that number is. For instance, it will be nice to see Roger get to 100 titles, but it isn't really much more impressive than 99.

As for what is more amazing, I agree it is subjective. I still think the calendar Slam is particularly impressive. 10 titles at one Slam means you were incredibly dominant on that one surface for a very long period of time. We already know this about Rafa...nothing will change with the 10th title. But a calendar Slam means you're completely dominant across all surfaces for an entire year. The fact that no one has done it since 1969 makes it even more impressive.

Well, who knows, maybe even 9 are more impressive than a calendar slam... as you said, it is only slightly less amazing than 10. Not that I actually believe in it. As I said, I have no idea, nor any inclination, and we can think of good arguments both ways.

As 10 gets attention simply because we use a decimal basis (probably because we have two five finger hands), calendar slam gets attention just because of the calendar. What is fundamentally different from a calendar slam and the Djokovic slam?

The point that could make the pendulum swing, for me, is the one you touched, which is court diversity. But things are quite less disparate than they once were, and we almost do not have anymore specific court specialists -- at least not at the very top.

10 times at RG, given the physical price you pay, is monstrous. I was joking in the other post, but 10 times at Wimbledon could maybe be even harder, given how fast one match may slip from you (don´t worry Carol, 9 to 7 is safe, but if it gets to 9 to 8 we may talk about it again. 10 to 7 is a no brainer). [warning: possible thread derailing topic. Please open a new thread if we are to start a war on this]


Anyway, I wrote a lot and ended up with no conclusion at all...

 

[El Dude]

Well, Jo-Willie is more likely than Berdych, and of course Ferrer is on his way out. He definitely has the game to pull it off, but like many one-Slam wonders needs the right opportunity.

 

[Moxie]

Well, who knows, maybe even 9 are more impressive than a calendar slam... as you said, it is only slightly less amazing than 10. Not that I actually believe in it. As I said, I have no idea, nor any inclination, and we can think of good arguments both ways.

As 10 gets attention simply because we use a decimal basis (probably because we have two five finger hands), calendar slam gets attention just because of the calendar. What is fundamentally different from a calendar slam and the Djokovic slam?

The point that could make the pendulum swing, for me, is the one you touched, which is court diversity. But things are quite less disparate than they once were, and we almost do not have anymore specific court specialists -- at least not at the very top.

10 times at RG, given the physical price you pay, is monstrous. I was joking in the other post, but 10 times at Wimbledon could maybe be even harder, given how fast one match may slip from you (don´t worry Carol, 9 to 7 is safe, but if it gets to 9 to 8 we may talk about it again. 10 to 7 is a no brainer). [warning: possible thread derailing topic. Please open a new thread if we are to start a war on this]


Anyway, I wrote a lot and ended up with no conclusion at all...

I made this conversation its own thread, if you'd care to post there, mrzz. It was getting a little confusing.

 

[Moxie]

Well, Jo-Willie is more likely than Berdych, and of course Ferrer is on his way out. He definitely has the game to pull it off, but like many one-Slam wonders needs the right opportunity.

If he'd had fewer problems with injuries, and maybe a strong coach from the beginning, I think Jo-Wil could have snuck one in there like DelPotro. If he stays healthy and committed, he might yet slip one in, but the stars would have to align a bit.

 

[the AntiPusher]

He was committing a lot of UFEs, and there was a question about his shoulder, as his serve speed was very low at one point. But Olivo has been playing great, for the most part.

That explains a lot.,seems like Joe may have expanded to much to win the itsy bitsy tournament last week

 

[the AntiPusher]

I see those two blonde beauties didn't help him too much, bottom line: less show off and more game lol

Yes..Marat had his focus hindered that week

 

[Carol]

Yes..Marat had his focus hindered that week

Yeah....like Wood? look at him in the video I've posted in the thread 'Golf'.....what a mess he is

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

Zverev is out in the first round. When is he going to play well in a slam.

 

[britbox]

Zverev is out in the first round. When is he going to play well in a slam.

He played OK in Australia,give him a chance...You'll see him play well in slams plenty of times in the future

 

[britbox]

Well, Jo-Willie is more likely than Berdych, and of course Ferrer is on his way out. He definitely has the game to pull it off, but like many one-Slam wonders needs the right opportunity.

When Tsonga mashed Rafa in that AO Semi Final back in 2008, I thought he was going to go on a rampage. I don't think he ever played as well since. That match, he just couldn't do anything wrong and blew Rafa out in under two hours.

I like him and hope he turns it around today but it's a big ask.

 

[Fiero425]

He played OK in Australia,give him a chance...You'll see him play well in slams plenty of times in the future

...after the Big 4 retire!

 

[Fiero425]

When Tsonga mashed Rafa in that AO Semi Final back in 2008, I thought he was going to go on a rampage. I don't think he ever played as well since. That match, he just couldn't do anything wrong and blew Rafa out in under two hours.

I like him and hope he turns it around today but it's a big ask.

I've seen it so many times! You think they'll go on to bigger and greater things and it never materializes! Tsonga woefully underachieved, picking up only a couple Masters wins and a Major final! The French have had so many good players that have only entertained instead of actually winning!

 

[britbox]

...after the Big 4 retire!

I've got Zverev penned as #1 before the end of 2019. I think the old boys will still be around (barring serious injury). I'm wondering who will retire first? Federer looks likes he's signed up to Basel until 2020...

 

[Puppet Master]

When Tsonga mashed Rafa in that AO Semi Final back in 2008, I thought he was going to go on a rampage. I don't think he ever played as well since. That match, he just couldn't do anything wrong and blew Rafa out in under two hours.

I like him and hope he turns it around today but it's a big ask.

This is pretty much why I dislike Tsonga. Dude played at that level only once in his life. Even his volleys were insane.
What the hell happened to him after that??
I remember watching the beatdown live and I couldn't fathom how that was happening.
In the final, he played at the same level, but choked big time, and Djokovic played with such intensity all match long, you'd think he snorted cocaine on every change of ends.

 

[britbox]

This is pretty much why I dislike Tsonga. Dude played at that level only once in his life. Even his volleys were insane.
What the hell happened to him after that??
I remember watching the beatdown live and I couldn't fathom how that was happening.
In the final, he played at the same level, but choked big time, and Djokovic played with such intensity all match long, you'd think he snorted cocaine on every change of ends.

I don't know man, but that performance was just insane - he couldn't do a thing wrong. I know he's had a lot of injuries, but he's never really got back to that level even when he's been fit for an extended period.

Gimelstob is going for Rafa, but has Thiem as his dark horse.



Now Zverev is gone, I'm rooting for Kyrgios and Thiem, although I don't think Nick is going to go too deep here. Decent win over Kohly though.