Rio Olympics Official Thread - Men's Tennis

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This is the first time I've seen Del Potro hit his forehand like that since the 2009 US Open. And honestly, for the first time that I can recall in a long while, I felt that one player's strategy (Djokovic) should have been to, quite literally, never hit to his opponent's forehand. Unless it's a legit open court put-away, just stay away from that side.

It's an impossible strategy to stick to, and really counter-intuitive (most rallies are cross court exchanges, so it's really difficult to avoid if a forehand to forehand exchange is initiated), so it's not like I fault Novak or anything, although he did seem to go to that side one too many times. Furthermore, Del Potro possesses the best running forehand on tour by a country mile, so even when you feel you have him on the ropes, it's still super risky to go to that side and he made Novak pay over and over.

What's holding Del Potro back (other than always being injured of course), is that his movement has regressed a bit -- no doubt due to the repeated injuries and never finding a constant rhythm. To his backhand side, he is noticeably slow. I felt Novak actually didn't capitalize on this enough. The other glaring issue is that the continuous wrist injuries have hampered his backhand, which used to be quite bigger back in his 2009 run. He's developed a really serviceable slice to his credit, but it's almost contrasting to the way he's supposed to be playing (hit big and bludgeon the ball). This is more damaging combined with his declining movement, as he can't run around his backhand as much as he'd like. If he could, he can be borderline unplayable on days like these, against anybody, because you are just never safe. Must be such an intimidating feeling to play against.

I wish he'd step up his returning though. For someone who hits so big, he doesn't punish serves as much as he should. If he and Nadal make the semis (long way to go), I expect Del Potro to win on this surface.

Good to see you broken. I wasn't able to see it as I couldn't find coverage easily and was at work at the time. Huge win for Delpo... glad to hear he's crushing that forehand. How was he hitting the backhand?
 

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Good to see you broken. I wasn't able to see it as I couldn't find coverage easily and was at work at the time. Huge win for Delpo... glad to hear he's crushing that forehand. How was he hitting the backhand?

Backhand was pretty solid, but his movement is very iffy to that side at this point, so he has to resort to a lot of slicing. Moreover, his down the line backhand, which was so lethal in 2009, has totally disappeared. As in, he literally never goes for that shot.

Del Potro is a really sad story in tennis. I never bought that he was the next big thing when he won the US Open in 2009, but he's still someone who, had he stayed healthy, could have easily been a perennial contender and caused his fair bit of upsets, and in fact could have likely captured another slam.
 

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just to point out:

according to TENNIS.COM article -- the fans were divided in their cheering:

argentines for delpo -- understandable...
but the brazilians matched them for nole.

that was nice . and then both men cried together in the end. in joy and sorrow. amazing. really.

now it moves on -- and hard to wait for the next round matches! let's wish them ALL good playing and no injuries. !
Well, we all know that Brazil and Argentina are rivals for years because the soccer, if you talk to them the Brazilians say that the Argentines are very prepotents and these ones say that they are much better than the others. That 'war' is the story without the end so I'm not surprised that yesterday the crowd was cheering for Novak, if his opponent would have been someone else (not Argentine) then they would have cheer for anyone
 
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there was one good run by NALBANDIAN after yet another bout of absence - when for a spell his body cooperated -- and he was showing that old form that until then FEW - except nadal - were bringing against Federer...remember those several years back? where david had i think 2 or 3 consecutive wins -- like in their very early careers?

and he was asked how come he was so different that way when everyone else almost just bowed to roger ...

and he said:" maybe because I am not afraid of him or his aura -- maybe because i don't think of him like most people do".

and john mcenroe commentating on a match said:

"many years ago - when david and his group were just coming up -- and against roddick in the USO 2003 -- i commented from the booth that i didn't think much of david at all...i must say now -- i was, very , VERY wrong...THIS guy is one heck of an intelligent player".

remember how a fami;ly member of his was KIDNAPPED for money? presumably that cost them a lot of money -- even if coming from an ''upper class" . but things like that can change careers, after all.

Nalbandian definitely wasn't afraid of anybody. He got Nadal a couple of times too, IIRC. Nalbandian was a great ball striker, I'm surprised McEnroe couldn't see that. Of course, I don't pay much attention to either of the McEnroe brothers, too smarmy for me.

No! I never heard about the kidnapping. How horrible.
 

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there was one good run by NALBANDIAN after yet another bout of absence - when for a spell his body cooperated -- and he was showing that old form that until then FEW - except nadal - were bringing against Federer...remember those several years back? where david had i think 2 or 3 consecutive wins -- like in their very early careers?

and he was asked how come he was so different that way when everyone else almost just bowed to roger ...

and he said:" maybe because I am not afraid of him or his aura -- maybe because i don't think of him like most people do".

and john mcenroe commentating on a match said:

"many years ago - when david and his group were just coming up -- and against roddick in the USO 2003 -- i commented from the booth that i didn't think much of david at all...i must say now -- i was, very , VERY wrong...THIS guy is one heck of an intelligent player".

remember how a fami;ly member of his was KIDNAPPED for money? presumably that cost them a lot of money -- even if coming from an ''upper class" . but things like that can change careers, after all.

Nalbandian was a great ball striker and he feared no one.

I can't understand McEnroe saying he didn't see anything in David, but then again I'm not surprised at anything the McEnroes' say.

No, I never heard about the kidnapping. How horrible.
 
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Nalbandian was a great ball striker and he feared no one.

I can't understand McEnroe saying he didn't see anything in David, but then again I'm not surprised at anything the McEnroes' say.

No, I never heard about the kidnapping. How horrible.

oh it was in the news for a little many years ago -- nalby was actually on tour , i think in some usa hardcourt season - and had to go home because an aunt of his that he was very close to, i guess his favorite that pampered him, was kidnapped for ransom..i think it was resolved , i don't recall.

(oh my goodness -- in less 24 hours DELPO comes back to win in 3 , amazing! GO GO GO AND WELCOME BACK JUAN MARTIN! )

and that remark by mcenroe -- i remember more clearly now even..he actually said that during THAT FINALS IN USO that andy roddick won over david in 2003..

imagine that -- the big mouth johnny mac who never misses a chance to insert something about ''in my time my idol rod laver" (hehe) - left the impression ALL he wanted to talk about WAS DAVID! throughout that match...i kid you not...if ever there the archive, people will see what i mean...

i mean -- here was john's OWN fellow american ''realizing" the hype that roddick was going to be the ''next pete sampras" or whatever (before roger REMEMBERED he's supposed to get SERIOUS and be a great champ by2004, and we know the rest, lol)

and john mcenroe talked about NALBANDIAN...the backhand, the forehand, the angles, the technic, the placement, the anticipation, the smooth movement...

ya -- i recall THAT was when john mcenroe made that admission and that HE thought little of david when he was just coming up with roger, roddick in the few years earlier..and even after roddick won because david's wrist couldn't put any power at all - especially with his amazing backhand -- i remember john's VOICE getting so ''down" (like he really wanted david to WIN) !!

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Good to see you broken. I wasn't able to see it as I couldn't find coverage easily and was at work at the time. Huge win for Delpo... glad to hear he's crushing that forehand. How was he hitting the backhand?

MY observation was roughloy:

mostly single handed : slice 98 percent - maybe 2 percent a little heavier with topspin..
two handed backhand: better than before and almost always ended with a winner or beat the nole's backhand .

between single-hand and double hand backhands:

90 or 85 percent of the time single
10- 15 percent of the time double. throughout the match.

so it's serviceable in a gradual way -- and no telling if it will EVER be as strong in double hand as before. but the slice backhand , though of course much weaker has become a solid dependable, consistent ''neutralizer". - something like Steffi Graf's used to be though probably not as biting as steffi's that were just so dangerously low..and lower...and lower and lower....hehe...which made HERS a real venomous weapon..imo, probably the greatest single hand slice backhand ever.

oh and when he used the DOUBLE hander backhand he could do it in an exchange of 3 or a few more shots...and was quite successful in keeping the point up to increase the pressure..so that was a good sign, i thought.

anyway -- that's my take on it.

but brokenshoelace is sooo right -- i didn't realize it -- but the down the line backhand was missing. that 's so true. mYBE THE particular grip adjustment is painful and they are avoiding it...?

though i seem to recall he did it ONCE for a winner actually.
 
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Rafa/Lopez beat Delpo/Gonzalez 6-3 5-7 6-2 :pompoms:
But I'm not sure if I like it too much because I keep thinking that Rafa is playing too much, singles, doubles and mix doubles, hmmmm too much
 
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Rafa/Lopez beat Delpo/Gonzalez 6-3 5-7 6-2 :pompoms:
But I'm not sure if I like it too much because I keep thinking that Rafa is playing too much, singles, doubles and mix doubles, hmmmm too much
Rafa/Lopez beat Delpo/Gonzalez 6-3 5-7 6-2 :pompoms:
But I'm not sure if I like it too much because I keep thinking that Rafa is playing too much, singles, doubles and mix doubles, hmmmm too much


FEEL THE SAME WAY , CAROL.

let's hope that RAFA'S wrist is also coming along just fine -- and that maybe these doubles take the place of ''practice" now -

at this point it's probably that for most of them . real match'practice' and in a way that's good for him too because bodily he LIKES TO keep in rhythm.

i mean -- we all know already how FULL of energy rafa really is. even in his private tapes of his private life -- have you seen any? -- i have --

how he practices, how he is at home? in their kitchen with his family?

HE IS very ''wired up" - i noticed...! lol. it's like he HAS to do something physical in order to take off all that excess electricity in his body. !! lol.
 
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oooo AUSSIE MELLMAN is having a great time toe to toe with nishikori! wow .

ooopps some costly mistakes from mellman could cost him the first set after beign so ahead.

KEI to serve at 5-4 will want to get this done.
 

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Emotional moments, this is the Olympics spirit!

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Delpo today has had a tough day but he doesn't have to play any more doubles and tomorrow has all day to rest :sleep2:
 
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Delpo today has had a tough day but he doesn't have to play any more doubles and tomorrow has all day to rest :sleep2:

Yep, less than 5 hours sleep the night before and that's after beating Djoker AND getting trapped in a lift, followed by another gruelling singles day today. Probably a blessing in disguise for JMDP if he's going to make a run in the Singles.