Rafael Nadal - Injury/Schedule update!

[brokenshoelace]

Here we go again...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

 

[Kieran]

I don't see where the "lie" is. Toni says he had pain during the second week, but it obviously wasn't bad, maybe just a presence, but nothing that stopped him beating Federer, and playing to a huge level. As posters so often say here, players play with pain. It most likely wouldn't have been mentioned if it didn't flare up in the final, which it obviously did, and anyone who denies that is an idiot and a moral midget.

If it's muscle stiffness that graduated into agony, then I look at them ridiculous exos at the end of last year. I know, I'm like a broken record on this one, but one thing Rafa does annoy me with is complaining about the schedule - then not using his downtime to let his racket gather dust while he frolics in the sun.

I'm glad to read that a few days rest will cure this, but I hope he takes longer than a few days rest...

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

rafa's not in acapulco...he is flying down to RIOOOOOOOOO.

 

[House]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

Haha yeah. I mean no fan of Nadal has ever criticized or questioned a Roger injury. Ever.

No mention of the legitimacy of his Mono.

No bashing of him citing injury in his loss to Tomas at Wimbledon a few years back.

Total acceptance, and understanding, of any and all of Feds injury woes.

Perhaps it boils down to simply believing those we like. And doubting those we like less?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

Haha yeah. I mean no fan of Nadal has ever criticized or questioned a Roger injury. Ever.

No mention of the legitimacy of his Mono.

No bashing of him citing injury in his loss to Tomas at Wimbledon a few years back.

Total acceptance, and understanding, of any and all of Feds injury woes.

Perhaps it boils down to simply believing those we like. And doubting those we like less?

That was kinda my point.

 

[House]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

Haha yeah. I mean no fan of Nadal has ever criticized or questioned a Roger injury. Ever.

No mention of the legitimacy of his Mono.

No bashing of him citing injury in his loss to Tomas at Wimbledon a few years back.

Total acceptance, and understanding, of any and all of Feds injury woes.

Perhaps it boils down to simply believing those we like. And doubting those we like less?

That was kinda my point.

By leaving out that Nadal fans can be equally guilty of the things they are annoyed others are doing?

Your post demonstrated hypocrisy on the part of Fed fans. Not that both sides are/can be equally hypocritical.

If that's what you were getting at my apologies, but that's not how it read in my mind.

 

[Kieran]

It cuts both ways, House, that much is true. We see Fedfans gloat when Rafa is injured, the glee is palpable, they say he makes excuses, deny his absences are due to injury at all. They say he fakes injuries, lies about injuries.

Then we see Roger use injuries as excuses.

And when this is pointed out, well, you know what I mean...

 

[House]

It cuts both ways, House, that much is true. We see Fedfans gloat when Rafa is injured, the glee is palpable, they say he makes excuses, deny his absences are due to injury at all. They say he fakes injuries, lies about injuries.

Then we see Roger use injuries as excuses.

And when this is pointed out, well, you know what I mean...

Some Nadal fans gloat when Fed loses, especially to Nadal. They also belittle his injuries as being overblown. I.E Mono. Or made up.

Some Fed fans gloat when Rafa is hurt because, historically, it's the closest thing to a "Fed win, Nadal loss" especially in their lopsided head to head. Not justifying it, nor do I subscribe to that line of thinking, but that's how I see that particular dyamic.

Unfortunately injuries have plagued Rafa his entire career, so opposing fans have much more ammo. Still both sides are guilty of doubting injuries.

The distinction, in negative fan reaction, between the two seems to be;

When Nadal is hurt he's "A sore loser. Never loses when healthy. Can't deal with getting beat. Makes things up."

When Feds ever been hurt its because he "Doesn't want to give credit. Poor sport who makes excuses. Isn't as great as he thinks he is, and defelects this with 'being injured.'"

I think everyone could stand to mellow out on this issue, but that's just me.

 

[Kieran]

It's not just you, my friend, it's not just you...

 

[DarthFed]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone gloating about Rafa's injuries. Now, is there a certain amount of glee when certain players lose? Absolutely but we know that's true with basically every fan.

 

[Kieran]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone gloating about Rafa's injuries. Now, is there a certain amount of glee when certain players lose? Absolutely but we know that's true with basically every fan.

Oh, I have. Definitely. It happens in subtle and none-too-subtle ways, but it occurs.

Latest on Rafa, by the way, from his facebook page, he's getting ready for Rio, practicing in his very first tennis club, in Mallorca...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

Haha yeah. I mean no fan of Nadal has ever criticized or questioned a Roger injury. Ever.

No mention of the legitimacy of his Mono.

No bashing of him citing injury in his loss to Tomas at Wimbledon a few years back.

Total acceptance, and understanding, of any and all of Feds injury woes.

Perhaps it boils down to simply believing those we like. And doubting those we like less?

That was kinda my point.

By leaving out that Nadal fans can be equally guilty of the things they are annoyed others are doing?

Your post demonstrated hypocrisy on the part of Fed fans. Not that both sides are/can be equally hypocritical.

If that's what you were getting at my apologies, but that's not how it read in my mind.

I left out Nadal fans because my post was in reply to some Fed fans suggesting Nadal (or his uncle) were liars. I'm not going to randomly criticize a separate fan-base out of the blue when it's not relevant to the conversation just to balance things out. I don't need anyone to vouch for me, but I'm sure most here will attest to me being critical of Nadal's drama queen complaints throughout the years. I just don't see why I should mention it when someone is accusing him of being classless for talking about a legitimate injury.

 

[Moxie]

It's worth noting, on both sides of the fan base debate, that if a player states outright that there is an issue, s/he should be believed, I reckon. Federer's mono hasn't come up in a long time, but since House brought it up: the man said he had mono in 2008 and deserves to be believed. How much that affected his play at that time is left to interpretation, though it would certainly have slowed him down. However, it can be called an "excuse" for a loss, if fans were making that case, using terminology they reserve for Nadal fans. By the same token, when Nadal and his camp have spoken of his deteriorating knees, in a couple of periods, it should be allowed the same legitimacy as truth. Again, how much it contributed to certain losses is left to interpretation, but again, one side shouldn't be labeled "excuse-makers" for their player, while another side claims legitimate hinderance of theirs. And it goes both ways.

This is an old argument, but since we're going to have it again, and since we're snowed under in NYC, I'm putting in my 2 cents.

 

[House]

Federer blames an entire season on a back injury: Fair.

Toni Nadal mentions back injury that was evident for the whole world to see: Liar and classless.

Haha yeah. I mean no fan of Nadal has ever criticized or questioned a Roger injury. Ever.

No mention of the legitimacy of his Mono.

No bashing of him citing injury in his loss to Tomas at Wimbledon a few years back.

Total acceptance, and understanding, of any and all of Feds injury woes.

Perhaps it boils down to simply believing those we like. And doubting those we like less?

That was kinda my point.

By leaving out that Nadal fans can be equally guilty of the things they are annoyed others are doing?

Your post demonstrated hypocrisy on the part of Fed fans. Not that both sides are/can be equally hypocritical.

If that's what you were getting at my apologies, but that's not how it read in my mind.

I left out Nadal fans because my post was in reply to some Fed fans suggesting Nadal (or his uncle) were liars. I'm not going to randomly criticize a separate fan-base out of the blue when it's not relevant to the conversation just to balance things out. I don't need anyone to vouch for me, but I'm sure most here will attest to me being critical of Nadal's drama queen complaints throughout the years. I just don't see why I should mention it when someone is accusing him of being classless for talking about a legitimate injury.

???

I never once said you should have brought Nadal fans into it, but I did and you stated "That was kinda my point." Not making much sense in regard to the conversation taking place between you and I.

I understand the context of what you posted, but if you are going to tell one side they're hypocrites, its only fair, in my opinion, to have the same group equally scrutinized. However, I never denoted that responsibility onto you. Thats why I brought it up. Because it is relevant when the pot calls the kettle black.

It's honestly silly for either side to jump to injuries seeing as fans of both cry foul the first time any type of injury is brought up. Difference being is that it happens much more frequently for Nadal.

I know the type of poster you are, high quality, and I generally have a good gauge of your thoughts on Rafa. I guess my objection to your post was the generalization that all Fed fans are two faced, and callow. My words not yours, but it felt like an indictment, but not all Fed fans are nipping at the heels of Nadal to call him a liar. Just like not all Nadal fans have dumped on Fed's injuries over the years. Though there are certainly the bad apples in both bunches.

 

[House]

It's worth noting, on both sides of the fan base debate, that if a player states outright that there is an issue, s/he should be believed, I reckon. Federer's mono hasn't come up in a long time, but since House brought it up: the man said he had mono in 2008 and deserves to be believed. How much that affected his play at that time is left to interpretation, though it would certainly have slowed him down. However, it can be called an "excuse" for a loss, if fans were making that case, using terminology they reserve for Nadal fans. By the same token, when Nadal and his camp have spoken of his deteriorating knees, in a couple of periods, it should be allowed the same legitimacy as truth. Again, how much it contributed to certain losses is left to interpretation, but again, one side shouldn't be labeled "excuse-makers" for their player, while another side claims legitimate hinderance of theirs. And it goes both ways.

This is an old argument, but since we're going to have it again, and since we're snowed under in NYC, I'm putting in my 2 cents.

It seems to me that fans who want to hate/dislike other players with a passion, will look at anything to get an edge.

For Fed fans, looking to get at Rafa, its definitely his injuries.

For Rafa fans, they typically point to his personality, but the few injuries he has had have been highly scrutinized. Mono and Tomas back/leg pain being the big two in my book.

These players gain nothing from saying their injured. So unless it's highly, HIGHLY, questionable I tend to take them at their word.

To what extent it caused to them to lose or play poorly we can never really know, but thats just my opinion.

 

[Moxie]

It's worth noting, on both sides of the fan base debate, that if a player states outright that there is an issue, s/he should be believed, I reckon. Federer's mono hasn't come up in a long time, but since House brought it up: the man said he had mono in 2008 and deserves to be believed. How much that affected his play at that time is left to interpretation, though it would certainly have slowed him down. However, it can be called an "excuse" for a loss, if fans were making that case, using terminology they reserve for Nadal fans. By the same token, when Nadal and his camp have spoken of his deteriorating knees, in a couple of periods, it should be allowed the same legitimacy as truth. Again, how much it contributed to certain losses is left to interpretation, but again, one side shouldn't be labeled "excuse-makers" for their player, while another side claims legitimate hinderance of theirs. And it goes both ways.

This is an old argument, but since we're going to have it again, and since we're snowed under in NYC, I'm putting in my 2 cents.

It seems to me that fans who want to hate/dislike other players with a passion, will look at anything to get an edge.

For Fed fans, looking to get at Rafa, its definitely his injuries.

For Rafa fans, they typically point to his personality, but the few injuries he has had have been highly scrutinized. Mono and Tomas back/leg pain being the big two in my book.

These players gain nothing from saying their injured. So unless it's highly, HIGHLY, questionable I tend to take them at their word.

To what extent it caused to them to lose or play poorly we can never really know, but thats just my opinion.

Good post, House. A lot of these "tropes" of conversation are just about gaining an edge in the forums. One sport is tennis, and another is forum argument. :laydownlaughing