No1e > Sampras or just about?

Do you still consider Sampras higher than No1e on the list of all time greats?

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Moxie

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It's not blindness, but it's not without importance, either. And I'm pretty sure no one said it was the Holy Grail. It only needs to be kept in context. I was very happy, as a Rafa fan, to be proud of his MS titles, and how long he held the most of them, so I won't begrudge the Nole fans for being happy to take the cap. My only point was that it's not a record that reaches far back, and I don't even think you can really mention Sampras and Agassi, since it really didn't mean the same to them.
 

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It's not blindness, but it's not without importance, either. And I'm pretty sure no one said it was the Holy Grail. It only needs to be kept in context. I was very happy, as a Rafa fan, to be proud of his MS titles, and how long he held the most of them, so I won't begrudge the Nole fans for being happy to take the cap. My only point was that it's not a record that reaches far back, and I don't even think you can really mention Sampras and Agassi, since it really didn't mean the same to them.

actually directed at Mastoor who brags about Novak overtaking Sampras as if MS was a key measuring stick. that i just disagree, since nobody back then gave a damn about MS counts.
 

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Didn't think it needed it's own thread, but found Laver's comments interesting.

Laver: When it comes to GOAT, Djokovic is Federer's equal

For more than a half-decade, Rod Laver has said without hesitation that Roger Federer is the greatest player in tennis history.

Until now.

Laver, a two-time season Slam winner, now considers Novak Djokovic and Federer equals when it comes to greatest-of-all-time deliberations.

"I don't think you put one of those two above the other when you look at their performances," Laver said to ESPN.com via phone. "You know what Roger's record is. But the way that Djokovic has been playing over the last year or so, I would say that Djokovic and Federer are equals.

"When you look at Djokovic's performances and his results, you just have to say, 'Hey, this guy's unbelievable, and how can you look past him when discussing who is the best ever?'"

Should Djokovic capture this year's French Open title, he would become the first man since Laver in 1969 to simultaneously hold all four majors. A first triumph for Djokovic in Paris would give him a full set of Slams, as well as setting up the possibility of emulating Laver by accomplishing the calendar-year Grand Slam -- a feat Federer, 34, failed to accomplish during his prime years.

Laver noted how good Djokovic, 28, has become at playing under pressure, whether at a high-profile event or if he's not playing his best tennis. Look no further than the Australian Open, where Djokovic committed 100 unforced errors against Gilles Simon in the fourth round and still won the match.

The top-ranked Serb cleaned up his game dramatically thereafter, especially in a semifinal rout of Federer.

"Everything was just clinical," Laver said. "It was just amazing. I'm sure that when Roger came off court, he asked himself, 'What do I have to do to beat this guy?' Djokovic probably didn't miss more than half a dozen shots in the whole match. It's amazing to think that Djokovic can play at that high level for so long."

But that doesn't mean Federer, who just pulled out of Madrid with a back injury, is finished winning.

"Wimbledon inspires Roger," Laver said. "If he's going to win another Grand Slam, his best chance is at Wimbledon. The tournament inspires him a tremendous amount. He can also play well at the US Open. It's definitely possible he can win another one."

Still, as it stands, at least one luminary who knows a thing or two about winning believes that no matter what Djokovic accomplishes from here on, he's already one of the two top competitors who has ever played the game.

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/i...comes-goat-novak-djokovic-roger-federer-equal
 

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so what do you think as Djoker fan, that he is the greatest in tennis history?
 

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That's a long story that you would like to read, so we'll let No1e win some more slams to overtake Federer.
 

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I will keep updating this tread.

So what changed since I created it?

No1e overtook Sampras in total titles won, 65-64.

No1e won Roland Garros, Sampras didn't and consequently No1e won the Grand Slam (all 4 at the same time), what Sampras didn't.

What is left is 2 more slams and 84 more weeks at #1 which I think is both possible to overtake in next 85 weeks.
 
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Finishing six consecutive years as #1. That record Djoker might not equal.

If he wins two more slams, having the career grand slam and having held all four titles at the same time will put him above Nadal and Sampras.

If those 2 slams would be this Wimbledon and U.S. Open, then that would put him into the conversation with Federer
 
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by now it should be given that he overtakes Sampras anyway, pity Nadal seems to have burnt out so there should be no rivalry in the near future. Surely someone would mention Murray, who is really just a pretender except during the Lendl years.