Nadal Would Have Been Crucified...

[Kieran]

There may have been some, but I'd be curious to see where. On this site, I didn't notice any, to be honest. Dolgo was better on the day, and if anything, Rafa looked tired. That's his own fault for heading to Rio, imo...

 

[Riotbeard]

There may have been some, but I'd be curious to see where. On this site, I didn't notice any, to be honest. Dolgo was better on the day, and if anything, Rafa looked tired. That's his own fault for heading to Rio, imo...

And, I definitely remember you did not.

Here is what you said a mere minutes after the end of the monte carlo final

Anyone who had a vested interest in saying Nadal was back to his best has the proof today. He's still working hard and he played well at times, but really, he's a long way off the pace. But this match will help and he shouldn't be discouraged. I doubt he will be.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=48&page=7&highlight=monte+carlo

 

[Kieran]

There may have been some, but I'd be curious to see where. On this site, I didn't notice any, to be honest. Dolgo was better on the day, and if anything, Rafa looked tired. That's his own fault for heading to Rio, imo...

And, I definitely remember you did not.

Here is what you said a mere minutes after the end of the monte carlo final

Anyone who had a vested interest in saying Nadal was back to his best has the proof today. He's still working hard and he played well at times, but really, he's a long way off the pace. But this match will help and he shouldn't be discouraged. I doubt he will be.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=48&page=7&highlight=monte+carlo

Yes, so you'll that I was right, and nowhere did I mention an injury.

That goes back to when Rafa returned after seven months and people were saying ridiculous things after he won his second event back, beating Daveed. He's back, we expect more from him, etc, and I said we won't know until he's gone through his normal clay season.

He took his time to get back to his best, and as we see with Murray, that's quite normal after a significant absence through injury...

 

[huntingyou]

SW19 2007 Final, RG 2009 4RD, 2014 AO Final

 

[Federberg]

So, make me laugh, Federberg: why did he skip Wimbledon in 2009?

haha! If you need to laugh mate, watch a comedy or something...

The most obvious answer is that he was unable to play Wimbledon because he was injured. Frankly what does that have to do with anything? Sloppy logic to assume that means he was injured at RG :nono

 

[Kieran]

So, make me laugh, Federberg: why did he skip Wimbledon in 2009?

haha! If you need to laugh mate, watch a comedy or something...

The most obvious answer is that he was unable to play Wimbledon because he was injured. Frankly what does that have to do with anything? Sloppy logic to assume that means he was injured at RG :nono

So when did he get injured?

And by the way, I enjoy reading comedy as much as watching it.

 

[Federberg]

I like reading your stuff too buddy!

I'm not his keeper, zero interest in the guy off the court (same goes for other players btw). You figure it out if you really want to know It might make you feel better about the loss to hang on to that excuse, that don't make it fact...

 

[Federberg]

^ I'm not denying his injuries... I'm saying he didn't GET injured during the Soderling match. He'd been carrying the knee problems for weeks. He was equally "injured" when he thrashed Hewitt in the same tournament.

This is an interesting take. I'm willing to accept this narrative, although.. we're all speculating of course. The key point for me (and I watched both the Hewitt and Soderling matches) there was no degradation in his movement when comparing those matches. To my mind it's fantasy to suggest there was a marked difference in his movement comparing the two matches

In one match, he tunes a former number 1 and is rightly praised for it. Then in the next he gets tuned. It's sport.. pure and simple. Certainly why I like sport... In the real world even heroes slip up sometimes

 

[Kieran]

I like reading your stuff too buddy!

I'm not his keeper, zero interest in the guy off the court (same goes for other players btw). You figure it out if you really want to know It might make you feel better about the loss to hang on to that excuse, that don't make it fact...

You've a funny way of dealing with things yourself. Bury your head in the sand and claim he wasn't injured...until you just accepted a narrative that suggests he was injured. Well done, feller, you're getting there... :clap

 

[Federberg]

I like reading your stuff too buddy!

I'm not his keeper, zero interest in the guy off the court (same goes for other players btw). You figure it out if you really want to know It might make you feel better about the loss to hang on to that excuse, that don't make it fact...

You've a funny way of dealing with things yourself. Bury your head in the sand and claim he wasn't injured...until you just accepted a narrative that suggests he was injured. Well done, feller, you're getting there... :clap

Haha! You're the one who's burying your head in the sand unfortunately :nono

Yes I can accept a narrative which suggests that his performance was on a par in his last two matches. That's the key point for me. Whether he was injured or no (in both matches).. that would be speculation on my part. Obviously it suits your agenda to excuse his loss to Soderling. But.. unfortunately for you it's just speculation. And don't bother using his no show at Wimbledon to justify your claim. You can play in one tournament - be fit - and miss the next tournament injured!

If you can't see that.. head, sand, buried! :lolz:

 

[Riotbeard]

There may have been some, but I'd be curious to see where. On this site, I didn't notice any, to be honest. Dolgo was better on the day, and if anything, Rafa looked tired. That's his own fault for heading to Rio, imo...

And, I definitely remember you did not.

Here is what you said a mere minutes after the end of the monte carlo final

Anyone who had a vested interest in saying Nadal was back to his best has the proof today. He's still working hard and he played well at times, but really, he's a long way off the pace. But this match will help and he shouldn't be discouraged. I doubt he will be.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=48&page=7&highlight=monte+carlo

Yes, so you'll that I was right, and nowhere did I mention an injury.

That goes back to when Rafa returned after seven months and people were saying ridiculous things after he won his second event back, beating Daveed. He's back, we expect more from him, etc, and I said we won't know until he's gone through his normal clay season.

He took his time to get back to his best, and as we see with Murray, that's quite normal after a significant absence through injury...

Your point may have legit, but I still think that is an injury based qualification for the loss.

 

[Kieran]

No, buddy. If you go back before that tourney, you saw people claim after Rafa won his second tourney back that they had huge expectations for him. Nowhere did I buy that narrative and I felt that he would take his time to be at his optimum.

I was proven correct.

And read my whole post there: I gave credit to Nole for the win...

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

It is easy...Nadal is a very emotional person with "special feelings" all the time, so he was mentally damaged after the loss to Soderling, and he could not even entertain the idea of playing another tournament so soon after RG, hence the pull out from Wimby...


Listen, we were talking about conspiracy theories and all, so I felt like coming up with one... I think it is not that bad...

 

[House]

The agenda of the person who reads, and then forms an opinion? I agree. Interestingly, and fairly unusually, but the large majority of those who criticise Rafa are Fedfans.

And by far the greatest number of those who have it in for Roger, are Rafafans! :wow:

Clearly. Many Fed fans feel threatened by Nadal, as he chases down Roger's legacy. Doesn't bother me, but the same thing happened with fans if Sampras when Fed started storming through the history books. And all the "weak competition" "he's not really that good" "yeah but Sampras could come back today and win Wimbledon" nonsense started. And that's how this "questioning every injury" thing will be viewed historically. As nonsense.

Insecure fans are everywhere. Best to just ignore them if you ask me.

We'd have to board up the forum and put the For Sale signs on the windows. A forum only exists because fans are rabid insatiable utterly biased irrational lunatics who fight by proxy for their player when he's too busy to post...

Not every fan lol. Being completely unbiased is impossible, but the ability to step back and rationally analyze isn't that rare a trait in my opinion. I would categorize you as someone who thinks like this.

You are someone I have respect for because we've been able to share our different opinions and preferences, but still find common ground.

It's okay with me to disagree, and to squabble, that's half the fun. But if you're trying to combat the people who, when you show them a picture of a broken leg say "Yeah I just don't see it", that's just time wasting in my eyes.

I'm also not knocking anyone who may enjoy those interactions, we all have to amuse ourselves somehow, just I know I don't come on here to talk to those fans. I come to talk to you. Britbox. Tented. Moxie. Nehmeth on a good day lol. Broken. People who actually have a mind for debate and reason.

 

[Kieran]

Haha! You're the one who's burying your head in the sand unfortunately :nono

Yes I can accept a narrative which suggests that his performance was on a par in his last two matches. That's the key point for me. Whether he was injured or no (in both matches).. that would be speculation on my part. Obviously it suits your agenda to excuse his loss to Soderling. But.. unfortunately for you it's just speculation. And don't bother using his no show at Wimbledon to justify your claim. You can play in one tournament - be fit - and miss the next tournament injured!

If you can't see that.. head, sand, buried! :lolz:

So...he wasn't injured in Paris but "he was unable to play Wimbledon because he was injured."

And then he was injured.

And now he wasn't injured?

My head's going :wow:

I think this kinda deception is what Broken so easily uncovered. Well done on his part, I thought the Deniers had long ago been routed...

 

[Kieran]

It is easy...Nadal is a very emotional person with "special feelings" all the time, so he was mentally damaged after the loss to Soderling, and he could not even entertain the idea of playing another tournament so soon after RG, hence the pull out from Wimby...


Listen, we were talking about conspiracy theories and all, so I felt like coming up with one... I think it is not that bad...

Psst! Don't forget the Vatican's involvement... :dodgy: lot

 

[Federberg]

Haha! You're the one who's burying your head in the sand unfortunately :nono

Yes I can accept a narrative which suggests that his performance was on a par in his last two matches. That's the key point for me. Whether he was injured or no (in both matches).. that would be speculation on my part. Obviously it suits your agenda to excuse his loss to Soderling. But.. unfortunately for you it's just speculation. And don't bother using his no show at Wimbledon to justify your claim. You can play in one tournament - be fit - and miss the next tournament injured!

If you can't see that.. head, sand, buried! :lolz:

So...he wasn't injured in Paris but "he was unable to play Wimbledon because he was injured."

And then he was injured.

And now he wasn't injured?

My head's going :wow:

I think this kinda deception is what Broken so easily uncovered. Well done on his part, I thought the Deniers had long ago been routed...

hahaha! If your heads going that's because of your inability to comprehend fairly simple sentences, and to allow no room for the existence of alternative conclusions from the same dataset. That says more about you and your agenda than anything else. I'm not going to waste any energy repeating myself or pointing out that you've chosen to assign some faulty logic to what I've written. I'll only smile and shake my head as there are only two ways to read what you've just written... :blush:

To be fair.. there's another one I've just considered.. perhaps you've been at the guiness?

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, pick a racial stereotype and run with that. Well done, son, we know you're a bit off, but that's not the way to prove it... :nono

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

It is easy...Nadal is a very emotional person with "special feelings" all the time, so he was mentally damaged after the loss to Soderling, and he could not even entertain the idea of playing another tournament so soon after RG, hence the pull out from Wimby...


Listen, we were talking about conspiracy theories and all, so I felt like coming up with one... I think it is not that bad...

Psst! Don't forget the Vatican's involvement... :dodgy: lot

By the way, there was a doctor on that Malaysian airline , with a list of tennis players names in a bag, who were on the juice before Vatican ordered the plane shot down, and guess whose name was on that list that is Spanish and the last name begins with N ?:snigger


Ok, that's just plain pushing it, but I am proud of myself for tying everything so neatly together. There is a screenplay there...:lolz::lolz:

 

[Riotbeard]

I will urge people to type "injury" into search function for this forum, and I think you will find some interesting results. In the oldest 4 out of 61 pages, these are the most compelling quotes, although over 50% relate to one player (that in and of itself is not too surprising as the boards were founded in the early comeback of Rafa).


Moxie: http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=55&pid=1168&highlight=injury#pid1168

“However, both Roger and Nole had to deal with the King of Clay. They've both had some success and some failure. Credit to the champions they are. I think you have to give a certain nod to Federer, though, for playing Nadal in his salad years. When he swung freely, and believed that every day was like the last. Djokovic had plenty of tries at Nadal in those years, and came up fallow. He's only done well against a post-injury and more-tentative Nadal.”

Didi: http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=55&pid=2552&highlight=injury#pid2552

“I think whether Nadal from 05-08 was a better claycourter than his 2010-13 version depends on how much weight you put on certain factors. In my opinion he possessed better footwork and explosiveness back then, not just in running down balls or staying in points but also in turning defense into offense and in positioning himself to the ball in general. Plus he was physically and mentally not only a lot fresher than his current injury-, and mileage tortured body but also stronger. I would also add that his backhand was way more consistent and had more bite to it.”

Both of these quotes on some level attribute every Novak win against Rafa on clay to an injury took place over 5 years ago...