Miami Open - WTA 1000

[Jelenafan]

I am not an Aussie to begin with okay. I would state the facts with any other No 1 player in this situation.....I am stating Facts regarding the rankings and point system full stop and how 2 players could have overtaken Barty for the No 1 ranking.I am not 'blind sided' and have always tried to have a netural opinion,but facts are facts full stop.Of course this unusual circumstances the world is in,still today France is in lock down,England is in lock down,this virus is not going away,we will have to learn how to live with it,regardless if we get a vaccine or not.

Yes, the facts regarding the ranking system due to the COVID make this an unusual, unprecedented situation.

That facts are someone could virtually not play all year and keep their # 1 ranking.

The facts are someone in that same period of time could win 2 majors, accumulate MORE tournaments points and still not overtake the player who DID NOT PLAY.

The facts are that freezing points , for valid reasons, would make it harder to overtake someone in the top position because it's not just about tournament results.

The fact is that these ranking adjustments had NOT happened ever before in the Open Era. Not once.

FACTS don't by themselves make a situation any less unusual, strange or weird.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Yes, the facts regarding the ranking system due to the COVID make this an unusual, unprecedented situation.

That facts are someone could virtually not play all year and keep their # 1 ranking.

The facts are someone in that same period of time could win 2 majors, accumulate MORE tournaments points and still not overtake the player who DID NOT PLAY.

The facts are that freezing points , for valid reasons, would make it harder to overtake someone in the top position because it's not just about tournament results.

The fact is that these ranking adjustments had NOT happened ever before in the Open Era. Not once.

FACTS don't by themselves make a situation any less unusual, strange or weird.

The WTA have put out a revised ranking system.,which I posted on the WTA News and Gossip.
The fact remains Barty is the No1 player in the WTA she and her team are spending most of the year away due to the fact that we have a quarantine period of 2 weeks upon returning to Australia.Again it is Not Ash Barty's fault that the WTA revised their rankings at the start of COVID last year.Ash decided to stay home with family and not put herself or her team at risk due to the outbreak of COVID in Europe and the USA..which is Still Not Under Control as I type this post.
It appears to me you have the slight on Barty because she did not play last year.As I pointed out for the 3rd time Halep and Osaka could have over taken Barty They Did Not...due to the current point system
Again we live in unusual times and have to accept the abnormalities,even with rankings in tennis.
I have pointed out the current facts.,it is up to you to accept them or not.I am over this conversation.
BTW you can also email the WTA and give them your thoughts on the rankings.I have also emailed them in the past on different matters.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

AF if you are around have you seen the full draw of the Volvo Car Tournament in Charleston yet?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

AF if you are around have you seen the full draw of the Volvo Car Tournament in Charleston yet?

Do you want to start a new post for Charleston? as I only have the WC and qualifers

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Do you want to start a new post for Charleston? as I only have the WC and qualifers

Thank you my favorite season Clay!

 

[Moxie]

I am not an Aussie to begin with okay. I would state the facts with any other No 1 player in this situation.....I am stating Facts regarding the rankings and point system full stop and how 2 players could have overtaken Barty for the No 1 ranking.I am not 'blind sided' and have always tried to have a netural opinion,but facts are facts full stop.Of course this unusual circumstances the world is in,still today France is in lock down,England is in lock down,this virus is not going away,we will have to learn how to live with it,regardless if we get a vaccine or not.

What do you mean you're not an Aussie? I always thought you were, of Italian heritage.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

What do you mean you're not an Aussie? I always thought you were, of Italian heritage.

I am Italian....I live in Aussie

 

[Moxie]

I am Italian....I live in Aussie

Got it. But you do claim both Italians and Aussies as your own, so thus the confusion.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Got it. But you do claim both Italians and Aussies as your own, so thus the confusion.

As I live in Aussie,I do like some Aussie players,my favorite was Pat Rafter,maybe it is just the way I express myself at times.My heart will always be Italian.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Congratulations to the Japenese Doubles Team...Ena Shibahara/Shuko Aoyama (5) winning the Miami doubles title defeating Haley Carter/Luisa Stefan (8) 62 75
This is their biggest doubles title in Miami,winning titles in Abu Dhabi,Yarra Valley Classic and made the q/finals at the AO in 2021.

 

[Moxie]

Yes, the facts regarding the ranking system due to the COVID make this an unusual, unprecedented situation.

That facts are someone could virtually not play all year and keep their # 1 ranking.

The facts are someone in that same period of time could win 2 majors, accumulate MORE tournaments points and still not overtake the player who DID NOT PLAY.

The facts are that freezing points , for valid reasons, would make it harder to overtake someone in the top position because it's not just about tournament results.

The fact is that these ranking adjustments had NOT happened ever before in the Open Era. Not once.

FACTS don't by themselves make a situation any less unusual, strange or weird.

I honestly didn't think you were bashing Barty, just pointing out one of the many anomalies that comes up in the COVID-revised ranking system. It's confusing for fans and frustrating for some of the players, who find it hard to move up during this time. But I firmly believe that the associations had to have some way to allow players to make choices for their own health and safety, (as well as that of their families and communities,) without any pressure to chase points. Someday it will all go back to normal.

As to Barty, I really love her game and am glad to see her back. She left Oz apparently with a lot of tears and sadness, because she recognizes that she may not go home again until after the USO or even the WTA finals. Times are still tough, and we're not out of the woods yet.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I honestly didn't think you were bashing Barty, just pointing out one of the many anomalies that comes up in the COVID-revised ranking system. It's confusing for fans and frustrating for some of the players, who find it hard to move up during this time. But I firmly believe that the associations had to have some way to allow players to make choices for their own health and safety, (as well as that of their families and communities,) without any pressure to chase points. Someday it will all go back to normal.

As to Barty, I really love her game and am glad to see her back. She left Oz apparently with a lot of tears and sadness, because she recognizes that she may not go home again until after the USO or even the WTA finals. Times are still tough, and we're not out of the woods yet.

Really? I beg to differ. Maybe you should read all the comments and the implications?There were plenty of points to be had for woman eg Halep and Osaka to over take Ash,when she made the decision not to play last year.Osaka had a chance to overtake Barty at Miami tournament just played? it is not the fault of Ash if the WTA decided to revised their rankings and points system. BTW.I would also stand up for any other player in the WTA that was in Ash's position just to be clear.

 

[Moxie]

Really? I beg to differ. Maybe you should read all the comments and the implications?There were plenty of points to be had for woman eg Halep and Osaka to over take Ash,when she made the decision not to play last year.Osaka had a chance to overtake Barty at Miami tournament just played? it is not the fault of Ash if the WTA decided to revised their rankings BTW.I would also stand up for any other player in the WTA that was in Ash's position just to be clear.

I did read them. That's how I read the one about you not being an actual Australian. To me, Jelenafan is a fair poster, and I thought he was just pointing out the oddities of the current system. Which is fair. It's odd. But it's the system we have for now, and I, personally, have no issues with it. I'm not going to get in between the two of you if you have a beef. I mostly commented to say that strange times call for strange measures. Barty being #1 isn't completely outrageous, and I haven't heard Osaka or Halep complaining about it.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I did read them. That's how I read the one about you not being an actual Australian. To me, Jelenafan is a fair poster, and I thought he was just pointing out the oddities of the current system. Which is fair. It's odd. But it's the system we have for now, and I, personally, have no issues with it. I'm not going to get in between the two of you if you have a beef. I mostly commented to say that strange times call for strange measures. Barty being #1 isn't completely outrageous, and I haven't heard Osaka or Halep complaining about it.

What has this to do about me being an actual Australian BTW? Of course there is oddities to the system? that is not Barty's doing is it? that was the decision by the WTA.....they also have revised their ranking and points which I have posted on the WTA News and Gossip site.If you think Jelenafan is a fair poster....that is your take on this subject.There are two sides to this,
One The Facts of the revised rankings and points system,which I am trying to Point Out.Also the other fact is,that there were points for Halep and Osaka to overtake Barty's No 1 ranking last year.Which has gone by the way side apparently.I have better things to do with my time quite frankly,I have posted the actual facts that have happened in situation.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I will post the WTA Announces Ranking System Adjustments ................hopefully people will understand and what the WTA do in terms of their rankings and adjustments is out of the player's control and we all will have to accept it,as yes,we do live in uncertain times.

This week marks the first week under the Adjusted WTA Ranking System that was approved last week.
Under the adjusted system,points earned from last week's Miami Open have been added to the rankings,while points earned in 2019 at Miami,Guadalajara,Charleston and Monterrey have dropped off.

Barty holds a 1,201 point lead over No2 Osaka.Osaka threatened to regain the No1 ranking but fell short with a loss in the q/finals.

WTA ANNOUNCES RANKING SYSTEM ADJUSTMENTS

The WTA has announced adjustments to the WTA Ranking system to account for the continued schedule modifications affecting the Tour calendar following the 2020 pandemic-shortened season.

www.wtatennis.com

 

[Moxie]

What has this to do about me being an actual Australian BTW? Of course there is oddities to the system? that is not Barty's doing is it? that was the decision by the WTA.....they also have revised their ranking and points which I have posted on the WTA News and Gossip site.If you think Jelenafan is a fair poster....that is your take on this subject.There are two sides to this,
One The Facts of the revised rankings and points system,which I am trying to Point Out.Also the other fact is,that there were points for Halep and Osaka to overtake Barty's No 1 ranking last year.Which has gone by the way side apparently.I have better things to do with my time quite frankly,I have posted the actual facts that have happened in situation.

I only mention the Aussie thing about you because it surprised me, but reading back was how I saw it. I think everyone understands (to the extent anyone can) how this works. Just the mention of the anomalies that it creates. I don't think there is anything wrong with pointing them out, since discussing tennis is the point of all of this. I don't think much of anyone is "blaming" players if it benefits them. (Actually, there have been a few trollish mentions of Federer's benefitting, and I've heard grumbling from some of the male players, but that's about it.)

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I only mention the Aussie thing about you because it surprised me, but reading back was how I saw it. I think everyone understands (to the extent anyone can) how this works. Just the mention of the anomalies that it creates. I don't think there is anything wrong with pointing them out, since discussing tennis is the point of all of this. I don't think much of anyone is "blaming" players if it benefits them. (Actually, there have been a few trollish mentions of Federer's benefitting, and I've heard grumbling from some of the male players, but that's about it.)

Of course people can point out anomalies of the Revised Ranking System,though as I kept pointing out,which went by the wayside,was both Halep and Osaka could have overtaken Barty last year they did not. there were points to be had,even this year in the Dubai swing Osaka could have overtaken Barty she did not play...Fact.Again in Miami Osaka had a chance to get back the No1 ranking,she was outed in the q/finals.People should read the WTA Revised Ranking System and understand how it works.

 

[Moxie]

Clearly opportunities have been missed, too. At least that part of tennis is still normal.