Asmodeus
Futures Player
I think this post is the very definition of insanity.
Politically, migrants lack rights and political power in the country they invade because they lack any sovereignty to instill change. It is madness to allow someone in your country today then tomorrow allow them the right to dictate to native citizens the conditions under which they can live.
Economically, migrants provide little or no value to the western world. They simply take up space and consume resources others pay for. If you want to make an economic environment where you make it harder for native workers to get jobs, increase the tax burden on middle and upper class workers, and democratize the political process where values that are antithetical to those that created a wealthy western world are allowed to participate, then the current immigration policies of Europe and the US is exactly the strategy you want to use.
In the end, you create a race to the bottom.
Politically, migrants lack rights and political power in the country they invade because they lack any sovereignty to instill change. It is madness to allow someone in your country today then tomorrow allow them the right to dictate to native citizens the conditions under which they can live.
Economically, migrants provide little or no value to the western world. They simply take up space and consume resources others pay for. If you want to make an economic environment where you make it harder for native workers to get jobs, increase the tax burden on middle and upper class workers, and democratize the political process where values that are antithetical to those that created a wealthy western world are allowed to participate, then the current immigration policies of Europe and the US is exactly the strategy you want to use.
In the end, you create a race to the bottom.
these are all very good points for discussion -- and they are based on likely good observations.
HOWEVER -- RAPE : which society or religion of the 'monotheistic" ones have in SOME PAGE somewhere has not condoned it?
look at the PSALMS of the bible -- plenty of BLOOD AND LUST AND RAPE.;
therefore to single out islam because it ''prescribes' such things does not quite hold water as a matter or argument even if ''the average muslim male is more apt to commit" as might be argued based on tha tobservations about the 'tenets of islam".
CONQUEST? -- ENSLAVEMENT? -GENOCIDE?
IT IS ALL THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE in the ''christian" , judaic beliefs ...
what do peole THINK was one of the justifications for the GENOCIDE AND RAPE AND TORTURE of native peoples -- the africans - their kidnapping and enslavement in the tens and tens of millions across CENTURIES
IN order to BUILD the prosperity of EUROPE AND BRITAIN AND THE USA?
oh my -- they held on one hand the sygils of CHRISTIANITY -- and on the other their swords and cannons
THE FACT that europeans and westerners can sit and make judgments about ''these muslim migrants who come and RAPE OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN -- and TRASH our wonderful pretty, clean cities!!! how dare THEY?"
comes after CENTURIES of western ''christian" Plunder, Pillage and Rape, enslavement, torture and genocide of OTHERS in THEIR lands
seems to escape some of you or westerners who NOW profess being OFFENDED ...
that what the WEST HAS UNLEASHED IN ITS WARS OF CONQUEST AND EXPLOITATION -- since hundreds of years ago -- IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST --
now comes back to the WEST in the form of MIGRANTS among WHOM are unstable RAPISTS - killers, thieves, and yes -- TERRORISTS who , seeing they are being BOMBED to smithereens by the ONLY CHRISTIANS that ACTUALLY cared about BOTH muslims and christians and others in syria and the middle east -- the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX! -- AND finding their SPONSORS AMERICANS and NATO AND EU unable or unwilling to STOP THEIR WAR-MAKING and terrorist CREATION THAT ARE THE REAL CAUSES OF SUCH ''MIGRATION" -
- and their collaborating brutish arab OIL "royalty" -- straight from the days of Lawrence of Arabia for their OIL -- just AS easily as their silk and incense and gold and jewels long ago were for the WESTERNERS and northerners --
NOW COME TO EUROPE AND AMERICA AND THE WEST
who went abroad with their ADVENTURES for their empires that built their ''prosperity" while LEAVING the other lands in CHAOS and poverty!
so -- WHY COMPLAIN?
these are teh FRUITS OF WESTERN, EUROPEAN, BRITISH, AMERICAN IMPERIALISM OF hundreds of years in the making!
DO NOT THEN COMPLAIN about ''those muslims, those rapist men, those migrants, those terrorists"
YOU brought them to yourselves! because LONG before these ''migrants" today and the rapists and terrorists among them CAME?
TO DISRUPT YUOUR SOCIETIES?
YOUR OWN SOCIETIES DID THAT TO THEIRS !
THAT'S WHAT migrants are about!
a NOTE:
migrants -- among them rapists or similar behaving , likely mostly younger ''hot-blooded" men looking for trouble or what they think are ''fun" - and away from their native ''natural social controls" and now ''unfettered" as they abandon themselves to ''fun'' -- have also appeared in RUSSIA .
and they go to clubs --a group tried that in some clubs in moscow -- groping women --
and SWIFTLY the russian guys --
''invited" them out to the street and park and BEAT THEM UP - to ''educate them"
end of story -- no more groping by migratns as they are shown how to BEHAVE towards women whether their OWN or russians -- .
now That's how to deal with it -- RATHER THAN COMPLAIN about the CONSEQUENCES OF WESTERN -- and certainly NOT RUSSIAN -- ACTS OF WAR in the lands where the west should NOT have started things to begin with!
how quickly people of the ''civilizations" that brought this on themselves -- who complain only about the CONSEQUENCES they DON'T like when it HITS them directly -- but for centuries thought LITTLE of what their own nations DID TO OTHERS from whom these consequences COME --
FORGET THAT SIMPLE LITTLE RULE :
"of all evils -- the most to be feared is WAR -- because out of war COMES ALL OTHER EVILS".
now take that to bed - westerners and think and COUNT how many BILLIONS over time and place YOUR OWN PRECIOUS WESTERN ''Christian civilization" HAS sent into MISERY !