I'm kinda sick of the Big Four

[britbox]

You'll miss them when they are gone.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^we will.

 

[DarthFed]

All but 1 or 2 of them

 

[herios]

All but 1 or 2 of them

I know we are in minority, but with you on this one

 

[August]

Tennis needs new guys on top. The Big 4 still help to promote the sport but they won't be there forever. I hope some young guy will make the top of the game before the big 4 are completely done so that it won't feel like the big-4 era and post-big-4 era but rather like the early 2010s big 4 transformed into a new big 4 of a new generation.

But yeah, tennis needs some sort of a group of top players. After 2013, I was already hoping for the end of the big 4 era and 2014 was that, guys like Wawrinka and Cilic winning slams. But they couldn't cement themselves into semis and finals of big events, after all there was a big 2 of Nole and Fed, and Fed didn't even win a slam. Tennis needs few (3-5) players on the top of the game to fight for the #1 ranking and then guys like Wawrinka/Cilic who can win a slam if they play their best tennis. But the big 3/4/5 must change over years, the same guys on the top will get boring soon.

 

[tented]

Tennis needs new guys on top. The Big 4 still help to promote the sport but they won't be there forever. I hope some young guy will make the top of the game before the big 4 are completely done so that it won't feel like the big-4 era and post-big-4 era but rather like the early 2010s big 4 transformed into a new big 4 of a new generation.

But yeah, tennis needs some sort of a group of top players. After 2013, I was already hoping for the end of the big 4 era and 2014 was that, guys like Wawrinka and Cilic winning slams. But they couldn't cement themselves into semis and finals of big events, after all there was a big 2 of Nole and Fed, and Fed didn't even win a slam. Tennis needs few (3-5) players on the top of the game to fight for the #1 ranking and then guys like Wawrinka/Cilic who can win a slam if they play their best tennis. But the big 3/4/5 must change over years, the same guys on the top will get boring soon.

For the general population (i.e., not hardcore tennis fans), I think this has already begun. A few years ago, I asked my father whether or not he was going to watch Wimbledon. His response: "No, it's too boring, too predictable. The same guys win everything."

The same could be said of the WTA, with mainly Serena, but also Sharapova, winning so predictably.

 

[Denis]

This comes from the fedal fans, cause they are on their way out. No need to drag Djokovic and Murray with you.

I've always enjoyed big 4 encounters, it adds a little extra, heavyweights facing off. It's better than nobodies winning one big tournament and then disappearing.

 

[nehmeth]

This comes from the fedal fans, cause they are on their way out. No need to drag Djokovic and Murray with you.

I was going to say something to this effect. Nole is entering his prime. He's worked very hard to become even more well rounded as a player. He should be free to enjoy the fruit of his labors without people griping about a regime change.

Murray has been playing some beautiful aggressive tennis lately. He is always fun to watch when he plays that way... said from a non-fan.

 

[tented]

This comes from the fedal fans, cause they are on their way out. No need to drag Djokovic and Murray with you.

I was going to say something to this effect. Nole is entering his prime. He's worked very hard to become even more well rounded as a player. He should be free to enjoy the fruit of his labors without people griping about a regime change.

Murray has been playing some beautiful aggressive tennis lately. He is always fun to watch when he plays that way... said from a non-fan.

Nevertheless, Novak has won multiple slams the last few years, or at least been in the finals (12 times since 2011, or 12/17 GS finals -- that's a clear majority, and for five straight years). It's the same situation as the other Big Four in terms of their constant presence at the big events.

Each of their fan bases will argue their favorite should win more, but that's not the point.

 

[nehmeth]

Each of their fan bases will argue their favorite should win more, but that's not the point.

So, everyone is sick of some part of the big four... and some are sick of all of them.

Me? I am happy for Novak to win at least 10 more slams before I start to get sick.

 

[tented]

Each of their fan bases will argue their favorite should win more, but that's not the point.

So, everyone is sick of some part of the big four... and some are sick of all of them.

My post doesn't state either of those. Just because I, for example, want Rafa to win more, that doesn't mean I'm sick of the Big Four, in any combination.

 

[nehmeth]

Each of their fan bases will argue their favorite should win more, but that's not the point.

So, everyone is sick of some part of the big four... and some are sick of all of them.

My post doesn't state either of those. Just because I, for example, want Rafa to win more, that doesn't mean I'm sick of the Big Four, in any combination.

:snicker Just the #1 player of Monaco.

 

[El Dude]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

 

[herios]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

Not as predictable as 2-3 years ago. See what just happened today.

EDIT: I am sure today some folks made some big bucks betting on Stan

 

[nehmeth]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

I will concede your nitpicking point... he's been in his prime for some time. At the same time, it is you guys sniping about being sick of the big four. I am happy for a variation... watching Fed drop gracefully and Rafa, not so gracefully will provide that transition. Why do Novak and Murray have to suffer? Let them win the titles they've labored to earn. Many of us have been tired of Fedal for a long time... you guys can suffer a little.

 

[El Dude]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

Not as predictable as 2-3 years ago. See what just happened today.

EDIT: I am sure today some folks made some big bucks betting on Stan

Right, but we're still looking at a possible or probably final with two of the Big Four, so not much has changed.

I have some time tomorrow and I'll do some research and see what percentage of big tournaments had members of the Big Four in SFs, Finals, and wins.

 

[El Dude]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

I will concede your nitpicking point... he's been in his prime for some time. At the same time, it is you guys sniping about being sick of the big four. I am happy for a variation... watching Fed drop gracefully and Rafa, not so gracefully will provide that transition. Why do Novak and Murray have to suffer? Let them win the titles they've labored to earn. Many of us have been tired of Fedal for a long time... you guys can suffer a little.

Well as long as Roger and Rafa are replaced with fresh blood and not a Novak-Andy hegemonic tandem. That would be dreadfully boring tennis, IMO.

 

[nehmeth]

nehmeth, Novak isn't "entering his prime." He's been in his prime since late 2010 or early 2011. The only difference is that Roger has slipped a bit more and Rafa taken a nose-dive this year, so his dominance is unchallenged.

Anyhow, I think one can be sick of Big Four dominance and it not be a Fedal sour grapes thing. I simply want to see more new blood, more variation in who is in finals. It is all so predictable.

I will concede your nitpicking point... he's been in his prime for some time. At the same time, it is you guys sniping about being sick of the big four. I am happy for a variation... watching Fed drop gracefully and Rafa, not so gracefully will provide that transition. Why do Novak and Murray have to suffer? Let them win the titles they've labored to earn. Many of us have been tired of Fedal for a long time... you guys can suffer a little.

Well as long as Roger and Rafa are replaced with fresh blood and not a Novak-Andy hegemonic tandem. That would be dreadfully boring tennis, IMO.

Whatever E.D. As I said earlier, Murray has been playing some very offensive tennis - his dismantling of Nishikori was exciting and beautiful. Mourn your guy's passing, and let whomever earns the titles (and their fans) enjoy it.

 

[El Dude]

How am I not "letting" Novak and Andy to win titles, and their fans to enjoy it? If only I had so much power...

 

[nehmeth]

If only I had so much power...

Very true. I am certainly enjoying Novak dominating the sport again. I am enjoying Murray playing the type of offensive tennis he is capable of, even if I may not like him. I am enjoying watching other players (besides Novak) finally beating Rafa on clay. :exclamation: