Obsi said:If someone told you in 2010 that Novak will end up with 3 Wimbledon titles, you'd say they're crazy.
Fiero425 said:Obsi said:If someone told you in 2010 that Novak will end up with 3 Wimbledon titles, you'd say they're crazy.
True enough, but that was before we saw the decline of Roger and the breakdown of Rafa! You expected others to take their place, but as I've been saying, the rest of the tour has been "gutless" and unable to break the stranglehold of the "Top 3 or 4!" They've just about owned all major events for the past 10 years! It's obscene in so many ways because in my day, even players like Borg or McEnroe could be vulnerable; and were! You never feel that way these days; barely giving acknowledgement of a possibility of a breakthrough with "new bloods" like Kei, Milos, and Kygrios! :cover :nono :angel:
I do not think Murray is better than Djokovic on grass. I have never believed that at all.herios said:More than Murray who is supposedly better than him on grass:nono
herios said:More than Murray who is supposedly better than him on grass:nono
BIG3 said:herios said:More than Murray who is supposedly better than him on grass:nono
That's too harsh on Murray's fans. I really want to watch their rematch on grass. Novak lost big time in 2012 Olympic and 2013 W19 final.
DarthFed said:I'd bet on one. But with how well he serves these days it might be two. His ROS is also so great that even when the movement starts to go (which is probably next year) he will still be very tough on grass.
Moxie629 said:DarthFed said:I'd bet on one. But with how well he serves these days it might be two. His ROS is also so great that even when the movement starts to go (which is probably next year) he will still be very tough on grass.
I'm inclined to agree with you on 1-2. However, I don't see why his movement is set to go next year, since he uses yoga and stretching to keep him limber. I get the OP's point that we'd have been surprised in 2010 to think he'd have 3 Wimbledon titles. The main reason he does is that he's just bloody better than everyone else, and his game translates to all surfaces, especially with the vastly improved serve. The downside is he'll be 29 next W, and the field improves, presumably. Grass is treacherous and unforgiving. In 3 years he'll be 31, and if there is no one to challenge/upset him on grass at that point, it would be a sad commentary on the state of the up-and-comers.
Moxie629 said:DarthFed said:I'd bet on one. But with how well he serves these days it might be two. His ROS is also so great that even when the movement starts to go (which is probably next year) he will still be very tough on grass.
I'm inclined to agree with you on 1-2. However, I don't see why his movement is set to go next year, since he uses yoga and stretching to keep him limber. I get the OP's point that we'd have been surprised in 2010 to think he'd have 3 Wimbledon titles. The main reason he does is that he's just bloody better than everyone else, and his game translates to all surfaces, especially with the vastly improved serve. The downside is he'll be 29 next W, and the field improves, presumably. Grass is treacherous and unforgiving. In 3 years he'll be 31, and if there is no one to challenge/upset him on grass at that point, it would be a sad commentary on the state of the up-and-comers.
DarthFed said:Moxie629 said:DarthFed said:I'd bet on one. But with how well he serves these days it might be two. His ROS is also so great that even when the movement starts to go (which is probably next year) he will still be very tough on grass.
I'm inclined to agree with you on 1-2. However, I don't see why his movement is set to go next year, since he uses yoga and stretching to keep him limber. I get the OP's point that we'd have been surprised in 2010 to think he'd have 3 Wimbledon titles. The main reason he does is that he's just bloody better than everyone else, and his game translates to all surfaces, especially with the vastly improved serve. The downside is he'll be 29 next W, and the field improves, presumably. Grass is treacherous and unforgiving. In 3 years he'll be 31, and if there is no one to challenge/upset him on grass at that point, it would be a sad commentary on the state of the up-and-comers.
Even without injuries he has a ton of mileage on his legs. Almost all top players lose a step by his current age. Roger's movement was well on the decline by age 28. Lots of past champions too. Many became irrelevant by age 26-27. Next year Nole is 29, id be surprised if we don't see a clear drop by the end of the 2016 season.
GameSetAndMath said:So, this year Novak overthrew the King of Clay from his beloved Terre Battue and also overthrew the King of Grass from his beloved Greener Pastures. :clap :clap
Moxie629 said:GameSetAndMath said:So, this year Novak overthrew the King of Clay from his beloved Terre Battue and also overthrew the King of Grass from his beloved Greener Pastures. :clap :clap
You have to be careful about the gloating here because of the timing. Djokovic tried 6 times to beat a great/reasonably good Nadal at RG, and couldn't do it. Yes, he beat Nadal this year. I don't think that anyone would even call that surprising, given Rafa's year.
Djokovic never got to try against prime Federer at Wimbledon. Their only 2 meetings on grass were the last 2 years. It's not Novak's fault that his prime didn't coincide with those of Fed and Nadal, especially in those specific tournaments, but it's not quite worth crowing about.
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