Hopman Cup

[mrzz]

Really liked what I saw from the old master today. Back hand clicking, smart play, good return. If he could play consistently like that, for me he would be hands down the AO favorite. But I do not think he can.

 

[DarthFed]

Really liked what I saw from the old master today. Back hand clicking, smart play, good return. If he could play consistently like that, for me he would be hands down the AO favorite. But I do not think he can.

Didn't see any of the matches but good signs nonetheless. At the very least he must be serving like Roger Federer again. Time to get #21 this year because 20 is not enough!

 

[El Dude]

Both ended 2-1. First tie-break rule is number of match wins, Switzerland had one more.

But why a tiebreak? Greece won two matches, Switzerland one. I don't get why a tiebreak is needed. Seems wonky.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

But why a tiebreak? Greece won two matches, Switzerland one. I don't get why a tiebreak is needed. Seems wonky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hopman_Cup#Standings_2

 

[lob]

Really liked what I saw from the old master today. Back hand clicking, smart play, good return. If he could play consistently like that, for me he would be hands down the AO favorite. But I do not think he can.

He was surprisingly confident. Tsitsipas match was very close and his serve held up. Keeping up this level at AO will be hard. For one, he was running a lot and he needs more winners. Djokovic is the AO favorite. Federer needs his more aggressive game to have a shot.

 

[Michael;Kiwi]

Federer won way more of the long rallies today then at the end of last year. I think he got tired and needed a bit of a break. If he plays how he did today he could challenge in a wide open Aussie. I’m pretty sure that this was one of the only tournaments to ever be decided by a single point.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

But why a tiebreak? Greece won two matches, Switzerland one. I don't get why a tiebreak is needed. Seems wonky.

Switzerland vs. Greece was just a round robin (group level) match. It is not a semifinal match. There is no semifinal in this tourney. Only group level matches and a final between the winners of the two groups.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So, Roger won all four of his singles matches and three out of four of his mixed doubles matches.

All his singles matches were against youngsters (I think max age of opps is 23) and included next gen champ from Milan
and current gen champ from London O2.

I would say that is a good omen, especially combined with Nole losing to a pusher.

Bring on XXI :whistle:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Yet another record for Fed.

Federer has won the Hopman Cup title three times , which is more than any other player - male or female—in the history of the exhibition event.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Yet another record for Fed.

Federer has won the Hopman Cup title three times , which is more than any other player - male or female—in the history of the exhibition event.

:cuckoo:

 

[Moxie]

So, Roger won all four of his singles matches and three out of four of his mixed doubles matches.

All his singles matches were against youngsters (I think max age of opps is 23) and included next gen champ from Milan
and current gen champ from London O2.

I would say that is a good omen, especially combined with Nole losing to a pusher.

Bring on XXI :whistle:

RBA not a pusher, btw. Good on Rog winning at an exho.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

:cuckoo:

It is not his fault that every time he steps on the court, he creates some record or other.

“I’m very happy about these records, but I didn’t come here for that,” Federer told HopmanCup.com.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

It is not his fault that every time he steps on the court, he creates some record or other.

“I’m very happy about these records, but I didn’t come here for that,” Federer told HopmanCup.com.

Fedtards downplay Nadal's incredible achievements at the iconic & legendary Davis Cup, but somehow the meaningless Hopman Cup exhibition is relevant.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fedtards downplay Nadal's incredible achievements at the iconic & legendary Davis Cup, but somehow the meaningless Hopman Cup exhibition is relevant.

Get over it. Nobody is claiming this is a monumental achievement. It was stated as a mere fact.

Any team event victory and also doubles record is of no relevance to the GOAT debate as far as I am concerned.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Get over it. Nobody is claiming this is a monumental achievement. It was stated as a mere fact.

Any team event victory and also doubles record is of no relevance to the GOAT debate as far as I am concerned.

Nadal has a 24-1 singles record in Davis Cup and 4 titles

Federer has a 40-8 singles record in Davis Cup and 1 title.

Sorry, but it's very relevant. A huge difference as Rafa has a much better record.

I know that Fedtards want to dismiss singles play in Olympics and singles play in Davis Cup as unimportant, but they are extremely important for GOAT debates.

It has nothing to do with Hopman Cup which is an exhibition and pointless, yet you took the time to mention it. :cuckoo:

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal has a 24-1 singles record in Davis Cup and 4 titles

Federer has a 40-8 singles record in Davis Cup and 1 title.

Sorry, but it's very relevant. A huge difference as Rafa has a much better record.

I know that Fedtards want to dismiss singles play in Olympics and singles play in Davis Cup as unimportant, but they are extremely important for GOAT debates.

It has nothing to do with Hopman Cup which is an exhibition and pointless, yet you took the time to mention it. :cuckoo:

Davis Cup means nothing, team event and you can't choose your teammates.

Olympics mean a lot of course but I'd say Roger has proven himself on fast hard courts and grass where those 3 Olympics have been. Whereas Rafa has not proven he can play indoors with a low bounce.

 

[Moxie]

Davis Cup means nothing, team event and you can't choose your teammates.

Olympics mean a lot of course but I'd say Roger has proven himself on fast hard courts and grass where those 3 Olympics have been. Whereas Rafa has not proven he can play indoors with a low bounce.

Nadal does have 2 titles on indoor hards, so that's not exactly proof. One thing the Olympic Games win does give Rafa over Roger is getting the job done, and Roger has tried 4 times, to Rafa's only 2. Nadal still is going for the YEC, but it's not wholly different. It's been really 2 against one with Roger and Novak blocking Rafa at the YEC, whereas it's only been Rafa alone to block the 2 of them at RG, so they did slip in there.

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal does have 2 titles on indoor hards, so that's not exactly proof. One thing the Olympic Games win does give Rafa over Roger is getting the job done, and Roger has tried 4 times, to Rafa's only 2. Nadal still is going for the YEC, but it's not wholly different. It's been really 2 against one with Roger and Novak blocking Rafa at the YEC, whereas it's only been Rafa alone to block the 2 of them at RG, so they did slip in there.

Oh the Olympics are a big deal for sure. A nice one up for Rafa. But it has been played on surfaces where Roger doesn't need to prove himself. The YEC represents a surface gap for Nadal. And Roger having the record at the 5th biggest event more than outweighs a gold in singles.

 

[Moxie]

Oh the Olympics are a big deal for sure. A nice one up for Rafa. But it has been played on surfaces where Roger doesn't need to prove himself. The YEC represents a surface gap for Nadal. And Roger having the record at the 5th biggest event more than outweighs a gold in singles.

Right, but you ignore my point about 2 of the greatest ever are great on HCs, and esp on indoor. This is one of the main reasons that Rafa has such a poor record on indoor HCs, especially at the YEC. He has played in finals there. He has more than a few times been 2nd best to Roger and Novak on indoor HC. You complain a lot about Rafa getting so much on clay, but you don't recognize that he has to compete against 2 guys who are all-time best on HC and esp. indoor. If it's not one, it's the other. Basically, that's why he's never won the YEC. Not the same at RG. Only Rafa was there to block them. Roger won because Soderling took out Rafa. Novak won because Rafa couldn't even compete that year. If there were 2 players the equivalent of Nadal at the French Open, there is a good chance that neither Novak nor Roger would have completed the career slam. I think you take my point.

 

[DarthFed]

Right, but you ignore my point about 2 of the greatest ever are great on HCs, and esp on indoor. This is one of the main reasons that Rafa has such a poor record on indoor HCs, especially at the YEC. He has played in finals there. He has more than a few times been 2nd best to Roger and Novak on indoor HC. You complain a lot about Rafa getting so much on clay, but you don't recognize that he has to compete against 2 guys who are all-time best on HC and esp. indoor. If it's not one, it's the other. Basically, that's why he's never won the YEC. Not the same at RG. Only Rafa was there to block them. Roger won because Soderling took out Rafa. Novak won because Rafa couldn't even compete that year. If there were 2 players the equivalent of Nadal at the French Open, there is a good chance that neither Novak nor Roger would have completed the career slam. I think you take my point.

Roger and Djokovic won RG because they took care of business and won 7 matches. And please, Djokovic would've been overwhelming favorite if they played in 2016 or did you forget he had won 7 in a row and 15 sets in a row. Djokovic wasn't anything special indoors until 2011 and Roger has been alright in his mid 30's but not too great indoors anymore (look who he's lost to at the last couple YEC's). Nadal has had plenty of opportunities, tough to call it a very competitive tournament when it is easy as cake to make the semis.