Has Grigor showed today that he might be the future of tennis ?

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I think people are dead on about Grigor lacking confidence and motivation and maybe needing to train a bit harder. But I see him overcoming those shortcomings and maybe in a few years challenging the top players of the game on a regular basis. Loved the way he played against Nadal. He gave Rafa all he could handle. That's saying something at a place where Nadal is darn near perfect and against a player who will go down as the best clay court player of all time.
 

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Well, perhaps he's not THE future of tennis, but he could be part of it. Dimitrov, Raonic, Tomic, etc - they aren't quite there yet, but it's almost inevitable that one (or more) of them is going to join the elite at some point. It could just as easily be Dimitrov as any other young player. He's improving every year and that's obviously a good sign. He's only 21 and he's already capable of competing with the big boys. Give him another year or two and he might be able to actually beat them. We'll see. :shy:
 

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I don't see that we have to be overly adulatory, nor overly dismissive. Dimitrov played a very good match today against Nadal in MC. Took a set, and came within some whisker of winning. No, he didn't close the deal. However, SOMEONE has to be at least be part of the future of men's tennis.

Let's see how he progresses, but he has had "potential" for a long time. As Britbox says, he may lack the "intangible" element, for all his talent. And a match you lose is not a "breakthrough."
 

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nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?
 

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Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?

No I don't.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?

No I don't.

Well, that's harsh. Then is there anyone that you think WILL feature?
 

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Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?

No I don't.

Well, that's harsh. Then is there anyone that you think WILL feature?

Please repeat your post Moxie one more time. Neither do I agree that he can be a real threat.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?

No I don't.

Well, that's harsh. Then is there anyone that you think WILL feature.
I dont think BS is being harsh but just being a tennis realist. it takes more than just a "great match" against Rafa on clay to declare that we have the next great player. We have seen this before: Gulbis, Tomic, Dolgopolov and Raonic. Raonic really may be the best of this bunch and have the most upside. For the next few years it will be the big four(Djoker, Rafa, Murray and Fed) and also Delpotro, maybe JoWillieTs, Berdych and Ferrer.
 

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I agree with Jhar and Moxie's outlook. The future looks bright, but nobody knows for certain how good this youngster will be. Saying he'll be the 'future of tennis', well now, that's a bit too much weight on anyone's shoulders! We know he's not an early bloomer like a Nadal. Keep in mind though, Federer didn't jump out of the gates winning slams straight away either. Not saying he's the next Federer by any stretch of the imagination. But people do mature at different rates. Me personally, I think he will challenge the very best in the sport at some point. I'll leave it at that for now... :D
 

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dimitrov will soon dominate global tennis..:-/:p

only maria messing with his head can stop him. :s
 

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tennisville said:
nehmeth said:
One match (which he still lost), does not make him the next breakthrough player. Greg definitely has all the tools. What remains to be seen is what he has between his ears and in his heart.

but Federer( the Sampras match) and Rafa(match against Roddick in DC) all had their breakthrough match and so did Murray and Djokovic . So these players must have their breakthrough match some time right. It might very well might have been this one for Dimitrov .

Except Federer beat Sampras, and Rafa beat Roddick, hence breakthrough. Dimitrov lost. Not a breakthrough.

There's one other key word which I haven't noticed anyone use so far in this thread: cramping. How many times now have we seen Dimitrov get to the Big Moment, only to begin cramping? Today, RG last year against Gasquet, Wimbledon 2011 against Tsonga, etc. The so-called future of tennis wouldn't be cramping this much. He would have resolved this, and be in better condition.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
nehmeth said:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/04/nadal-dimitrov-hes-present-and-future/47145/#.UXHUwoIsXdU

Rafa was more impressed than we are.

Obviously. I don't think anyone doesn't think Dimitrov played a great match. But, that hardly means he'll be the future of tennis.

"Future of tennis" is too much hyperbole, at this point. But don't you think he's likely to be in there? By which I mean a real threat, once the current reigning Big 4 stop reigning?

No I don't.

Well, that's harsh. Then is there anyone that you think WILL feature?

So not being sold on someone who gave Nadal close match = Nobody WILL feature in the top 4? I don't buy that logic.

I saw Gulbis give Nadal an even tougher match at Rome a few years ago, when Rafa went the whole clay season undefeated. Gulbis' talents are undeniable, but that doesn't make him a future top 4 player.

Dimitrov lacks the intangibles (like Gulbis), but there are more shortcomings to his game. While he's a smart player with generally, few weaknesses, he doesn't have an overwhelming strength either. Likewise, his movement is good, but nothing on the level of the top 4.

The top 4 are all phenomenal athletes (like out of this world). The same can't be said for Dimitrov. Even at a younger age, it was so obvious that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray all had something special. I don't see that with Dimitrov. A talented player, sure. But not top 4 material. I don't see it.

I also don't understand since when has it become "harsh" to say that a player will not feature in the top 4 off of ONE decent performance in which he happened to lose! Especially when he's done so little else throughout his career.


tented said:
tennisville said:
nehmeth said:
One match (which he still lost), does not make him the next breakthrough player. Greg definitely has all the tools. What remains to be seen is what he has between his ears and in his heart.

but Federer( the Sampras match) and Rafa(match against Roddick in DC) all had their breakthrough match and so did Murray and Djokovic . So these players must have their breakthrough match some time right. It might very well might have been this one for Dimitrov .

Except Federer beat Sampras, and Rafa beat Roddick, hence breakthrough. Dimitrov lost. Not a breakthrough.

Agreed.

And more than that, it's not even the result that matters in this case. Federer and Nadal clearly had something very, VERY special that was obvious even in their younger age. Terrific athleticism, near unparallelled movement, and a world class forehand that even back then, stood out from the rest of the tour.

I don't see any of that with Dimitrov. Not to mention, comparing his performance yesterday to the hype Federer and Nadal were generating in their younger years is a tad preposterous.
 

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Stop comparing him to Federer and Nadal. They are arguably the two greatest players of the Open Era, or at least among the top five. Dimitrov could be (part of) the "future of tennis" while falling far short of that.

I think its possible that 2013 will be the last year that the tour is completely dominated by the Big Four. I think they'll still dominate in 2014, but the cracks will start to show. Federer will be turning 33, Nadal 28, and Djokovic and Murray 27. Still prime years for the latter three but not "super-prime" (21-26). What this could mean is that we'll see more upsets, and even one or two challengers sneaking in and stealing an ATP 1000 or two, maybe even a Slam.

It is not a question of if this will start happening, but when and WHO. I think "when" will begin in 2014 or 2015, but "who" is a bigger question because there are no clear top young talents coming up (which will in turn likely extend the reign of the Big Four). But if you look at the field, the most talented players age 24 and younger that are in the top 100 are del Potro, Raonic, Janowicz, Dimitrov, and Tomic; we might want to include Dolgopolov, Nishikori, and even Gulbis on pure talent. None look like all-time greats like Federer or Nadal, but at least some of them will be top 20 players and maybe two or three top 10, and just maybe one or two will sneak in a Slam win at some point. And even if the "who" don't win major tournaments this year, we'll be able to get a sense of who the future challengers will be.

So why not Dimitrov? Of that list I think he has the most well-rounded game. Again, he almost certainly won't be an all-time great like Federer or Nadal - we would have seen more by now. But that doesn't mean he couldn't rise to the top 10 and be a fixture there for a half decade or so, maybe win an ATP 1000 or two and even challenge for a Slam and for a top 5 ranking. At the least I think his name will be among those that challenge the Big Four until the next true elites come along.
 

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Technically, there's a Big 3 (+1).

It's a good point, Dude, that the top 3 will start to slack off the slam-winning pace and so somebody has to fill the void. Why not Dimitrov? Well, why him, too? If we're being asked to accept him on the basis of a single match against Rafa (and we are), then it's not a huge amount to go on.

But you're right, somebody will step in. But as 'the future of tennis?' There might be a transition period, like there was before Pete, like there was before Roger, in which case we may have to start looking at a generation of youngsters even younger than Dimitrov and Raonic for the future of tennis...
 

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Easy process of elimination.

After Novak/Murray combo there is no dominant player behind them ready to take their place at the GS stage. The "near-elite" players (steal the term from El Dude) are even older than Novak/Murray. Since there is no teenager (16-19) in the horizon ready to breakthrough that we know of, then the logical answer to the future of tennis after the current duo has to be one "established" in the top 100 with good enough experience at the ATP elite level competition. Around age 20-23

This years alone, Dimi has pushed Novak, Murray and now Nadal at their best venues; his game is obviously "complete" and despite the "limitation" of the 1HBH, the stroke is modern enough (spin heavy) and technically sound (efficient back-swing) that it is not a liability against the very best today.

In 2016, there will be 4 Slams tournaments (I know obvious).......Novak/Murray will be 29, Rafa long gone and Roger just too old (yes mikeone). Who is going to win those Slams? Sure, it could be the guy that we don't know yet but I find it hardly unlikely due to state of the game today.

Physical condition and mental maturity are pre-requisites in today's game..........the reason older guys are playing their best tennis and the elite seems to extend their "prime" years a lot farther than the past is directly related to physical condition and maturity to cope with demands of the modern game placed on the body. These traits come with age and experience, something the current young crop will have over the next generation behind then.

Grigor is by far the most talented, more complete and has an understanding of who he can be and what people expect him to be. He will be that guy in 2016!!!
 

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See my new post, "The Future of Tennis," Kieran, in which I posit just that - a transitional period.

One thing I disagree with, though, is that this idea of Dimitrov stepping in is based solely off one match. It isn't. We've had our eye on him for, what, four years since he was a junior champion? He's had moments before that pointed to a higher level of play - like when he beat Tomas Berdych about a year ago. I thought that was his breakout moment but it didn't happen. But then he started showing signs earlier this year, making the Brisbane final (losing to Andy Murray). He had a disappointing Australian Open, losing to Benneteau in the first round, but then he beat Tomic, Davydenko, and Baghdatis to make it to the Rotterdam SF, losing to del Potro. At Indian Wells he went out in the 3R - but it was to Djokovic, and there's no shame in that. The same with Miami - he lost in the 2R to Andy Murray.

So there have been glimmers, and I think Monte Carlo was another. But the thing is, unlike 2012 and before the glimmers are starting to add up. At some point those glimmers could turn into a shine. The question is not "if" but when and how brightly.


To put it another way, look at the players he's lost to:

Brisbane - Murray
Australian Open - Benneteau
Rotterdam - Del Potro
Indian Wells - Djokovic
Miami Masters - Murray
Monte Carlo - Nadal

Not a bad roster there.
 

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Kieran said:
Technically, there's a Big 3 (+1).

It's a good point, Dude, that the top 3 will start to slack off the slam-winning pace and so somebody has to fill the void. Why not Dimitrov? Well, why him, too? If we're being asked to accept him on the basis of a single match against Rafa (and we are), then it's not a huge amount to go on.

But you're right, somebody will step in. But as 'the future of tennis?' There might be a transition period, like there was before Pete, like there was before Roger, in which case we may have to start looking at a generation of youngsters even younger than Dimitrov and Raonic for the future of tennis...


I agree with you the most posters. The 3+1 formula is legit, because Murray is not at par with the other top 3, especially because of his weakness on clay, demonstrated once again this week.

The transition period will start soone or later, and I think the big 3+ 1 as a whole actually already peaked in 2011, that is when they dominated the most the slams and masters, already last year their performance as a group got weaker a little (more penetration in the SF of the big events by others and this year is happening again).

I have my doubts that the younger generation will be the one stepping up, i would rather think the guys who will start chipping away masters titles or get into slam finals will be those well established top 10 players, the generation over 25.
 

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herios said:
Kieran said:
Technically, there's a Big 3 (+1).

It's a good point, Dude, that the top 3 will start to slack off the slam-winning pace and so somebody has to fill the void. Why not Dimitrov? Well, why him, too? If we're being asked to accept him on the basis of a single match against Rafa (and we are), then it's not a huge amount to go on.

But you're right, somebody will step in. But as 'the future of tennis?' There might be a transition period, like there was before Pete, like there was before Roger, in which case we may have to start looking at a generation of youngsters even younger than Dimitrov and Raonic for the future of tennis...


I agree with you the most posters. The 3+1 formula is legit, because Murray is not at par with the other top 3, especially because of his weakness on clay, demonstrated once again this week.

The transition peioed will start soone or later, and I think the big 3+ 1 as a whole actually already peaked in 2011, that is when they dominated the most the slams and masters, already last year their performance as a group got weaker a little (more penetration in the SF of the big events by others and this year is happening again).

I have my doubts that the younger generation will be the one stepping up, i would rather think the guys who will start chipping away masters titles or get into slam finals will be those well established top 10 players, the generation over 25.

I see it more as a 2+2. Djokovic and Nadal seem on a higher level than everyone else, and Federer seems like he has dropped to a level similar to Murray.