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Excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy Jnr about the background and history of the Syrian situation and a general narrative about the history of American and British involvement in the region.

Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

They don’t hate ‘our freedoms.’ They hate that we’ve betrayed our ideals in their own countries—for oil.

By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601
 
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Excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy Jnr about the background and history of the Syrian situation and a general narrative about the history of American and British involvement in the region.

Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

They don’t hate ‘our freedoms.’ They hate that we’ve betrayed our ideals in their own countries—for oil.

By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601


yes THAT WAS ONE of the FEW articles from america that has any semblance to HONESTY.

BUT even that is not nearly enough in the TRUE BREADTH and nature of american BESTIALITY

TOWARDS and IN other countries...that americans -- inclouding HERE - carefully avoid confronting in its fullness, with PLENTY of defenses about how much advances america has worthy of emulation


which america just happens tO BOMB COUNTRIES into submission towards!


..read that article long ago.

but -- to be clear:

a FEW items that - just a few years ago -- NO AMERICAN officials would be CAUGHT ever admitting ven by half because they THOUGHT they had everything covered as far as "'information power" is concerned.

nope -- truth ALWAYS comes out eventually...leading to

the PENTAGON ITSELF finallya dmitting in so many -- too few -- words>

"well -- yes -- we have indeed ended up supporting extremists who are no diffrerent than ISIL..:: "


AND NO ONE knows that BETTER than the ordinary people -- tens ,m hundreds of millions of them in the middle east suffering under the SCHEMES OF EMPIRE

BY THE USA!

while americans look at their belly buttons talking about ''what good guys we are"!!


roflmao!
 

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i would add -- that RON PAUL and a few others --


HAVE said much the same thing years ago -- but did AMERICANS LISTEN TO HIM?


it doesn't REQUIRE being a supporter of ron paul (i am NOT ) -

to understand SIMPLE TRUTHS that are obvious to even a child -- and certainly REAL to the people in other countries that americans LOOK DOWN ON for being

''not free like us"!!

that HYPOCRISY is the AMERICAN QUALITY that the world HAS SEEN over and over and over again....
 

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ASSAD --

who -- IS popular among syrians of all stripes - except THOSE that think THEY are better rulers *like some kurdish factions, or SAUDI-QATARI-USA PREFERED cabals...

JUST ASK any ordinary REAL patriotic syrian on the street...regardless of their religion, tribe, or denomination.


BECAUSE of their own proper reasons according to their region's and history's REALITIES that americans


SWOOP into with COMPLETE DISREGARD for the fact that THIS IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY! TO dictate to how they behave and order themselves...

JUST IMAGINE:

THE CHRONOLOGY OF events is this -- the CORRECT ONE.

1) 2007 USA decided with saudi arabia - that after destroying iraq -
next in line was syria -- assad must go - to be replaced with whomever SA AND USA decided was compliant for the PETRO-DOLLAR scheme they have played for decades
2) because ASSAD REFUSED to obey
3) they then concocted the ENTRY of CIA-trained, funded, armed ''moderate rebels and democratic opposition" (same as with ukraine) -
culled from what was going to be destroyed soon - LIBYA - and of course IRAQ
and central asian countries as far as western china to create instabilities
4) they THEN pretended that ASSAD ''gassed his own people"

which turned out to BE ISIL terrorists trained in TURKEY - and enabled by the CIA AND USA
5) SINCE that FAILED -- they turned to ''ASSAD HAS CHEMICAL WEAPONS"

which he HAD BUT NEVER USED -

6) THEY THOUGHT that was the perfect EXCUSE to create a ''no-fly zone"

the usual PREPARATION for a bombing and invasion -- like they did with LIBYA AND IRAQ -- except RUSSIA stepped in -- and called for diplomatic talks - convinced ASSAD to destroy the chemical stores - which he did. and STOPPED the SCHEME to bomb syria to the medieval ages and replace a regime..
7 ) as REVENGE for what PUTIN DID -- stopping the BLOOD LUST of the OBAMA administration under the guise of "'humanitarian war -- we must do SOMETHING!!!! "

8) OBAMA SENT NULAND to KIEV to begin a REGIME CHANGE - ILLEGAL AND CRIMINAL - and remove an admittedly corrupt leader yanukovich WHO HOWEVER HAD the majority support of ukrainians --

and replace him with a FASCIST, NAZI REGIME now IN POWER!~ but ''advised" by an AMERICAN finance minister who NOW DEMANDS SHE has to RULE in place of the ukrainian prme minister! b ecause "i'm an expert in economics"!! -- her name is NATALIE JARESKO who got a ''quickie" ukrainian passport in order to ''legitimize" her INSERTION into the affairs of a FOREIGN COUNTRY

where JOE BIDEN'S SON has STOCKS in privatizing UKRAINE'S very, very rich AGRICULTURAL LANDS!

8) AS A RESULT of the NAZI REGIME n place who proceeded to order that the MAJORITY RUSSIAN ETHNICS of east and south ukraine be CRIMINALIZED for speaking RUSSIAN -- AND murdered as the FASCISTS RAMPAGED ACROSS the country -- -- teh CRIMEANS HAD THEIR referendum - 90 percent voting to ASK MOTHER RUSSIA to TAKE THEM HOME!

because crimea was really founded BY CATHERINE the GREAT OVER 300 years ago -- and always WAS russian - but just ''lent" TO UKRAINE under USSR by KRUSCHEV FOR administrative purposes and NOTHING ELSE...it was STILL russian.

the cirmeans 3 times OVER the past 3 asked to be returned to RUSSIA - but russia then was too weakened to do anything about it.

NOT SO THIS TIME - and took back the crimeans who were IN IMMINENT danger of being wiped out by the urkainian FASCIST already at the bridges and borders ...

utnil teh russian troops came to ENSURE NO SUCH THING was going to happen.

that's what OBAMA claimed as 'RUSSIAN AGGRESSION AND INVASION"

OF land AND PEOPLE that ARE RUSSIAN!!

nad as a result -- because the USA -- failed -- FAILED in grabbing the all -important

SEVASTOPOL AND SEMFEROPOL CITIES with their SUPERB DEEP WATER NAVY BASES created by russia SINCE 300 years ago --

and USE THAT as a launching pad AGAINST RUSSIA in her VERY OWN TERRITORY!!

LITERALLY stealing russian terrtory...

THE usa CONCOCTED the ''sanctions|" in order to destroy the russian economy and ''isolate russia"

WITH WAHT OBAMA BRAGGED ABOUT MONTHS AGO AS |\'

"AS A RESULT OF OUR LEADERSHIP' AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION -- RUSSIA'S ECONOMY IS NOW IN TATTERS -- THEY DON'T REALLY PRODUCE ANYTHING"!!


and that's BARELY the whole list of it all - of the BRUTALITY AND BARBARISM that the USA -- including UINDER DEAR LEADER OBAMA


is all about

whl;e american sactually believe
\
"we're the good guys"

NO FOLKS -- TO THE MUCH OF THE REST OF TH EWORLD OUTSIDE
\

YOUR PRECIOUS BUBBLE of ''western progress' \




you most CERTAINLY ARE NOT!

YOU ARE FOREIGNERS AND INVADERS AND COLONIZERS AND DESTRUCTIVE IMPERIALISTS
 

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AS FOR ''PROGRESS" OF america with its FAKE democracy and ''choice"

it is STRANGE -- THAT THE so-called ''democratic process"

shows THIS:

sanders -- SANDERS has won what now? 7-8 consecutive primaries...

and YET HILLARY CLINTON'S ''votes\" have NOT CHANGED to go LOWER?


something is VERY WRONG ABOUT THAT -- even an IDIOT can see...

but americans LIKE TO PRETEND to themselves it's all ''true" .......

some PROGRESS!
 

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Excellent article by Robert F. Kennedy Jnr about the background and history of the Syrian situation and a general narrative about the history of American and British involvement in the region.

Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

They don’t hate ‘our freedoms.’ They hate that we’ve betrayed our ideals in their own countries—for oil.

By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601

below link is an actual video captured or even broadcast , probably in some kind of bravado , by ISIL themselves of their own hundreds of AMERICAN vans purchased through saudi arabia contacts FROM the USA ''second hand car shops" (the american car dealer professed innocence and of course very upset - and I believe him) --

to transport on the open highway to turkey - their STOLEN OIL from IRAQ and POCKETS of syria right on the route of the highway--- where -- the russians discovered they are loaded onto ships on the way to europe...that helps finance the ISIL TERRORISTS..

who are in the sky PROTECTING THEM TO MAKE SURE THEIR CONVOYS pass through SAFELY frmo teh SYRIAN ARABA ARMY OR jets -- BEFORE THE RUSSIANS came when ASSAD asked for HELP?


NONE OTHER THAN DEAR LEADER BARACK OBAMA'S OWN AMERICAN HELIS AND JETS ....


IT IS just ONE of many DIRECT PROOFS that the USA is the globe\s


TRUE CENTER of TERROR -- both as a state terrorist empire whose ARMY is nothing more than uniformed GOONS trampling all over the world to spread "'freedom and progress" --

and as ENABLER , TRAINER, PROTECTOR OF TERROR...with exhibit A :


ISIL.

that is just ONE of many exposures -- not forgetting that after the RUSSIANS SWIFTLY CORRECTED THIS HYPOCRISY by the AMERICANS AND EMPEROR OBAMA - to SAVE syria from destruction by the EMPIRE through its PROXY army of terrorists --

THE PENTAGON distributed TO PBS and american mainstream mendia and tv


'\'proof that the USA GOOD GUYS ARE DESTROYING ISIL"

by providing VIDEOS of bombed ISIL targets -- made by RUSSIAN PILOTS from their planes as part of RUSSIA'S documentation of its operations .


that -- folks -- progressve americans -- is how LOW our government , emperror and country has descended to and that's NOT low enough yet for the USA.

in fact there's NOTHING low enough for the USA to stoop down to , to get its will imposed. damn the millions and mllions who die and suffer and countries destroyed


by american's FAKE ''leadership" .


 

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n contrast -- this video is an example of russia documenting EXACTLY where it bombs ISIL -- one of which videos was PIRATED BY THE PENTAGON OF OBAMA


to SHOW OFF to americans (nevermind what the rest of the world says -- thats the american way of thinking) --

that ''we're SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYING ISIL"


before rusisa's MARIA ZAKHAROVA spokes WOMAN asked


''progressive ideas " america


to STUFF IT -- and stop PIRATING RUSSIAN VIDEOS of russians ACTUALLY


DOING THE JOB THAT THE USA


pretends to do but does the OPPOSITE....bomb terrorists to smithereens ...

 

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rt.com
US in denial over sponsoring terrorism is why Syrian war rages on
Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. Originally from Belfast, Ireland, he is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation and Press TV.

Marathon 10-hour talks this weekend between the US and Russia in Geneva failed to produce a comprehensive plan to end the brutal Syrian war.

Cutting through diplomatic jargon, the fundamental problem is that the US remains in denial about its criminal role in fueling the war.

It is this role by the US and various foreign allies in supporting illegally armed groups that ensures the continuance of the conflict, which has been running for nearly six years with hundreds of thousands killed.

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Washington and its allies – in particular this week Turkey – claim to be fighting terrorism. But the myriad global networks of weapons, cash, oil smuggling and military intelligence all testify to systematic state sponsorship of terrorism in Syria – in spite of random apparent anti-terror operations by these same sponsor-states.

US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said they were continuing to work on details for a breakthrough to end the violence. These precise details were not revealed, but it is reported that American and Russian military and technical experts are liaising on resolving them.

Kerry and Lavrov have obviously good personal rapport, and there seems to be an earnest mutual respect between the diplomats to find a solution in Syria. But how can a solution be found when one of the parties is part of the problem? Not only that, but the guilty party is in utter denial about its nefarious role.

In this way, the discussions between Kerry and Lavrov are more resembling of the relationship between a patient and a therapist, in which Lavrov is having to painstakingly work through the details about which Kerry suffers cognitive dissonance.

Part of the logistical problem in implementing a ceasefire in Syria is the ongoing failure by the US to provide any distinction between terrorist groups and militia that it claims are “moderate rebels”.

That is a main factor for why the earlier ceasefire called in February fell apart. Syrian government forces and their Russian ally maintain that they have the legal right to continue attacking internationally recognized al Qaeda-linked terrorist brigades. For which Washington then turns around and accuses Syria and Russia of targeting “moderate” insurgents.

However, absurdly, Washington has not or cannot provide Russia with any maps or locations showing where its “moderate” militias are.

In a press conference with Lavrov in Geneva, Kerry ducked a question on how a modality could be found for making such a distinction. Kerry gave this tellingly vague response: “It is not a helpful situation, and we’re expressing concern about it with the Russians and working on ways to deal with it.”

In other words, Washington hasn’t a clue about any realistic distinction between the plethora of armed groups trying to topple the Syrian government.

That vacuity from Washington vindicates the Syrian and Russian assessment as essentially correct: the vast majority of the anti-government opposition are terrorist entities. They may have countless different names, but they share the same extremist ideology and methods; and ultimately they share the same sponsors among foreign states for weapons and funding. Chief among these sponsors is Washington, Britain and France, as well as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchies.

The Western media indulge in the same bankrupt, mendacious thinking by referring to “inter-mingling” between “moderates” and “extremists”. This is plainly a delusional narrative that has no bearing on reality in Syria. More than this it is a psychological operation of deception to conceal criminality of governments from their citizens.

The disclosure by former US intelligence chief Lt General Michael Flynn that the Obama administration was well aware from as early as 2012 that its covert support to anti-government militants in Syria was fomenting jihadist terrorism was a rare moment of honesty. Obama’s Secretary of State at that crucial time was Hillary Clinton. In that regard, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is right to say that Obama and Clinton “created” Islamic State and other related jihadist terrorist groups.

But Clinton’s successor John Kerry remains in apparent blissful denial of this systematic link between US foreign policy, regime change in Syria and the sponsorship of terrorism. Kerry arrogantly equivocates with diplomatic language about vague details for ending the conflict, without the slightest sign of shame over his nation’s culpability in fueling that conflict.

Associated Press quoted US officials who said that it is imperative that Russia pressures the Syrian government of President Bashar al Assad to concentrate its military attacks on Islamic State and the other main al Qaeda-linked organization, Al Nusra.

“For their part, US officials say they are willing to press rebel groups [sic] they support harder on separating themselves from the Islamic State and Al Nusra,” reported AP.

That sounds like the American side is prepared to give nothing but the same old empty procrastination over “un-mingling” of terror brigades.

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Nevertheless, there are indications that Lavrov’s “therapy” is succeeding in incrementally nursing the American side towards some truth acceptance.

Reuters reported on the latest Geneva encounter thus: “Assad's future is not part of the current talks. Instead, discussions are focused on finding an effective and lasting solution to end the violence, which would open negotiations on a political transition in Syria.”

That “Assad’s future is not part of the current talks” is a significant concession by the Americans. No doubt, Washington still wants its prize of regime change – which is the original objective for inciting this war. However, it is notable that Kerry reportedly has now dropped the “Assad must go” mantra in his meetings with Lavrov.

Russia has consistently told the Americans that the issue of Syria’s president and government is a sovereign matter for the Syrian people alone. That is an inviolable legal principle underpinned by UN resolutions.

On that score, Washington appears, at last, to be overcoming its cognitive disconnect by finally shutting its mouth on illegal demands about the Syrian presidency.

Now the next phase of diplomatic “therapy” from Lavrov will need to coax his American patient into coming to terms with the truth of its complicity in terrorism. The causal connections between policy makers in the Obama administration and CIA weapons supply to terrorist clients are documented and disclosed, as in the case of Lt General Flynn.

What is needed is for people like John Kerry and other Western government leaders to stop living in denial and to realize the truth: They are part of Syria’s problem, not the solution.

And their problem stems from criminal covert support to terrorist proxy armies in their equally criminal intrigues for regime change in Syria.

Without this systematic accountability for Washington and its various allies over the conflict in Syria, all diplomatic talk about “ending the violence” is just futile nonsense.

The ceasefire first announced six months failed because of this Western mentality of denial and deception. There is no reason to think that new efforts for another ceasefire will somehow succeed.

Because the delusional minds of the terror sponsors so far seems to be beyond any form of remedial influence – despite the best efforts of Russia’s top diplomat Sergey Lavrov.

A good dose of Western public anger demanding prosecutions for war crimes might help provide some remedy though, and bring an end to Syria’s torment.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
 

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Do we dare resurrect a thread for this area of the world????
 
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Well, it is not a good situation--it goes without saying. I know we can go back to Jewish homeland and conquest of Caanan, the Babylonian exile, the Roman domination and destruction, the Jewish diaspora, the Palestinians (both Jewish and Arab) through the millennia, the Balfour Declaration, Zionism, the First World War, the Arab Revolt of 1936, the Irgun/Stern Gang attacks in the late thirties and forties, Arab/Muslim retorts, the Second World War, the formation of Israel in 1948 and the Arab (mostly Muslim) Palestinian diaspora since then, the Suez and six day wars and what has been happening with wars and skirmishes these last 70 plus years, but at the end of the day we are now in a post-atomic and post-modern world where the only thing closest to democracy in that part of the world is Israel. The powers that were pushed for and created that state and the rise of Nazism sped up the process. Israel is not going anywhere and the Palestinians need to be given something. But, they elect Hamas as their leaders, whose charter is to kill Jewish people and eradicate the state of Israel. Other groups have that as well--Israel does not as to any other group or ethnic group of people, only to destroy acknowledged terrorist groups like Hamas.

Is there a solution? Can anyone tell me?
 

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Move "Israel" (which bears no correlation to the Biblical Israel by the way) to the United States. Create a "homeland: in an underpopulated state - maybe Wyoming or Nebraska. Or Utah, where they can struggle with their Mormon brothers over who runs Salt Lake City. Their neighbours clearly don't want them in the vicinity. Problem solved. Bibi is no better than anything Hamas throws up.
 

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I have often wondered about just the solution you pose--but then I guess being disconnected from Jacob's Well, Rachel's Tomb, the Western Wall and whatnot makes that difficult for Jewish folks to accept. I think it would have to remain in Palestine with access to those areas. The solution will involve the Muslim and Jewish Palestinians living in the same area me thinks.
 

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I have often wondered about just the solution you pose--but then I guess being disconnected from Jacob's Well, Rachel's Tomb, the Western Wall and whatnot makes that difficult for Jewish folks to accept. I think it would have to remain in Palestine with access to those areas. The solution will involve the Muslim and Jewish Palestinians living in the same area me thinks.
They lived in the same area before the state of Israel was ordained via Rothschild lobbying of the British Government through the Balfour declaration.
 

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It was not just Rothschild, but he was a main one. And yes, they did--that is why the solution will likely have to incorporate that. Palestinians were Jewish, Arab and Bedouin for the most apart.
 

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It was not just Rothschild, but he was a main one. And yes, they did--that is why the solution will likely have to incorporate that. Palestinians were Jewish, Arab and Bedouin for the most apart.

Lord Rothschild wrote the letter and received the response. Modern day Jacob Rothschild says it was the family's greatest achievement. Semites are those that spoke the ancient languages from that part of the world - particularly Hebrew and Aramaic it's particularly amusing when the dumb refer to anything as "anti-Semitic" that goes against Israeli foreign policy... most of which is directed against Semites.
 

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Agree on that--Aramaic was the common language of the Semitic people in ancient days and the language is retained in the Maronite Catholic Church. All Palestinians are semites. I know about the Balfour Declaration and how the British overseeing things in Palestine were more in sync with the Arab views of things back a century ago but London heard far more from the Zionists clamoring for a homeland. They had the ear of Lord Balfour and others and after the British grew tired of attacks on them mostly by the Stern Gang and Irgun folks before Word War II, Truman and the US became more involved and pushed Israel through the new UN.
 

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I think it has to be brother
 

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I think it has to be brother
Realistically I guess it would have to be. Difficult wound to heal though - will require a lot of will, compromise. More likely is that will spill into the wider domain. We seem to be in the chaos part of a period of great change and transition. You can feel it in your bones.