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Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology
 

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special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the haters

who just want to bring her down.
 

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RJD11 said:
special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:
 

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If we ask the commentators to apologize every time they speculate something of this nature, then it's not worth listening to.
 

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I'm a big fan of Serena but remember her panic room excuse from a supposed intruder that she evaded who was actually a drug tester...well, that was suspicious and a naive excuse that they accepted from her.
 

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Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion. And thats only the gender inequity

and not the one when Ree's match was in rain delay and

the other ladies match was on CC under the roof while she had to wait.

An 11 time Wimb Champion.


And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.
 

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RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion.

And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.

Nope! I've told you guys, I have no idea who these new players are since I just don't watch the them much these days! It's just unwatchable for the most part; not to mention all the squealing and grunting which is so unlady-like! I never missed past #1's like Henin and Hingis! As for the apparent victim-hood of Serena, I'm sure others are tested enough; they just don't whine about it!

The Williams' have always felt "put upon" from the very beginning! I always said "cry me a freakin' river" when the entire family were so abusive of Hingis; such a little girl at the time! Even Richard had some juvenile comments referencing the #1 player back in '97! I'm quite aware they may not have been welcomed with open arms, but they didn't help themselves with some of their own behavior! Both would say some of the tackiest stuff at press conferences after a loss; "she didn't beat me, I beat myself!" I'd tell them to "keep walking b!tches" if I were a fellow player of the WTA! Shriver did her part to make them feel a part of the tour, but they still complained; usually playing the race card! If you're looking for resistant, you'll find it even if it doesn't exist! Being Black myself, I never felt anything like the stuff voiced by both the girls, but I guess it helped coming from a mixed family (step-father Jewish), so I just never thought about it!
 

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Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion.

And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.

Nope! I've told you guys, I have no idea who these new players are since I just don't watch the them much these days! It's just unwatchable for the most part; not to mention all the squealing and grunting which is so unlady-like! I never missed past #1's like Henin and Hingis! As for the apparent victim-hood of Serena, I'm sure others are tested enough; they just don't whine about it!

The Williams' have always felt "put upon" from the very beginning! I always said "cry me a freakin' river" when the entire family were so abusive of Hingis; such a little girl at the time! Even Richard had some juvenile comments referencing the #1 player back in '97! I'm quite aware they may not have been welcomed with open arms, but they didn't help themselves with some of their own behavior! Both would say some of the tackiest stuff at press conferences after a loss; "she didn't beat me, I beat myself!" I'd tell them to "keep walking b!tches" if I were a fellow player of the WTA! Shriver did her part to make them feel a part of the tour, but they still complained; usually playing the race card! If you're looking for resistant, you'll find it even if it doesn't exist! Being Black myself, I never felt anything like the stuff voiced by both the girls, but I guess it helped coming from a mixed family (step-father Jewish), so I just never thought about it!

Fiero: I also came from a mixed family. And I couldn't help but feel the things

they felt. MY Great Grandfather was a German immigrant. But I was raised in

south Louisiana, I remember going to the doctors office and having to wait in

the colored waiting rm. I remember the separate water fountains that said

white only. I remember going to Woolworths and not being able to sit and eat

at the lunch counter. I remember not being able to go to the local drive-in

and having to get get out of the car and going around to the back of the

building to order a burger. I remember me and my cousin in high school as

members of the track team taking the city bus back home and seeing an ad

for a burger deal and being told " We don't serve colored ", because my cousin

was dark skinned. I suffered his pain even tho I looked whiter than the racist

redneck who told us that. These childhood experiences helped shape my life.

I remember being suspended from college when they refused to lower the flag

to half mast after a presidential order for Martin Luther Kings death. We marched

to the courthouse steps and gave our speeches and they finally capitulated

But we got suspended anyway. For inciting a riot. Even tho no such thing happened.

I just wish you, Fiero, had been brought up in the deep south and been subject

to some of the racism I did. Your mixed race thing would have meant nothing.

as mine wasn't. Then maybe you would have a better understanding of how these

things can affect people like us. Hell I'm not saying Vee and Ree are right in

everything. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt from my observations and

over the words of a media hound. With my experience I am sceptical about

about everything. Especially when whites are involved, but I also keep an open

mind. I know that you have to judge people on their own merits. That's why I think

You are a kindred spirit, just a bit naive. And thats why I take time to converse

with you and not just brand you a hater and be done with ya. Your response will

dictate if I'm right or wrong and if I will continue to respond to your posts.

or ignore you. I hope you come correct. will miss the repartee
 

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RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion.

And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.

Nope! I've told you guys, I have no idea who these new players are since I just don't watch the them much these days! It's just unwatchable for the most part; not to mention all the squealing and grunting which is so unlady-like! I never missed past #1's like Henin and Hingis! As for the apparent victim-hood of Serena, I'm sure others are tested enough; they just don't whine about it!

The Williams' have always felt "put upon" from the very beginning! I always said "cry me a freakin' river" when the entire family were so abusive of Hingis; such a little girl at the time! Even Richard had some juvenile comments referencing the #1 player back in '97! I'm quite aware they may not have been welcomed with open arms, but they didn't help themselves with some of their own behavior! Both would say some of the tackiest stuff at press conferences after a loss; "she didn't beat me, I beat myself!" I'd tell them to "keep walking b!tches" if I were a fellow player of the WTA! Shriver did her part to make them feel a part of the tour, but they still complained; usually playing the race card! If you're looking for resistant, you'll find it even if it doesn't exist! Being Black myself, I never felt anything like the stuff voiced by both the girls, but I guess it helped coming from a mixed family (step-father Jewish), so I just never thought about it!

Fiero: I also came from a mixed family. And I couldn't help but feel the things

they felt. MY Great Grandfather was a German immigrant. But I was raised in

south Louisiana, I remember going to the doctors office and having to wait in

the colored waiting rm. I remember the separate water fountains that said

white only. I remember going to Woolworths and not being able to sit and eat

at the lunch counter. I remember not being able to go to the local drive-in

and having to get get out of the car and going around to the back of the

building to order a burger. I remember me and my cousin in high school as

members of the track team taking the city bus back home and seeing an ad

for a burger deal and being told " We don't serve colored ", because my cousin

was dark skinned. I suffered his pain even tho I looked whiter than the racist

redneck who told us that. These childhood experiences helped shape my life.

I remember being suspended from college when they refused to lower the flag

to half mast after a presidential order for Martin Luther Kings death. We marched

to the courthouse steps and gave our speeches and they finally capitulated

But we got suspended anyway. For inciting a riot. Even tho no such thing happened.

I just wish you, Fiero, had been brought up in the deep south and been subject

to some of the racism I did. Your mixed race thing would have meant nothing.

as mine wasn't. Then maybe you would have a better understanding of how these

things can affect people like us. Hell I'm not saying Vee and Ree are right in

everything. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt from my observations and

over the words of a media hound. With my experience I am sceptical about

about everything. Especially when whites are involved, but I also keep an open

mind. I know that you have to judge people on their own merits. That's why I think

You are a kindred spirit, just a bit naive. And thats why I take time to converse

with you and not just brand you a detractor and be done with ya. Your response will

dictate if I'm right or wrong and if I will continue to respond to your posts.

or ignore you. I hope you come correct. will miss the repartee

I was hesitant to reply because you've obviously had problems I never had to deal with since I grew up in a more civilized and affluent area of Chicago! Believe me, I know how ignorant the SOUTH and it's people can be; which is why I have nothing to do with them! I took an assignment in Austin Texas one time because they really needed me and I held out for 5 months before I finally left! I survived, but I still knew where I was and couldn't wait to get back home to California! I'm old enough to know how bad it was way back when and how bad it still is in a lot of ways! It doesn't explain why the Williams' feel "put upon!" They are rich, attractive enough for someone, and shouldn't have this feeling of people treating them badly; unless they're doing something which makes them feel that way! I say it's all on them and how they want to act out; and they do "act out!" You never really addressed what I said about them and the history of their own bad behavior exacerbating situations! I'll wait for a reply before passing judgement! :puzzled :angel:
 

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Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
special700 said:
Chris Evert, Pam Shriver, ESPN – You All Owe Serena Williams An Apology

by Ahmed Olayinka Sule, CFA

One of the most important functions of a free press is to inform. It is for this reason that millions of viewers tune to TV stations like ESPN to get information on sporting events taking place across the world. Tennis lovers across the United States tune to ESPN to hear insightful analysis from its commentators during the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. Analysts such as Chris Evert, Mary Joe Fernandez, Patrick McEnroe, John McEnroe, Pam Shriver and Brad Gilbert help viewers get a better appreciation of the sporting event. Since ESPN broadcasts the Wimbledon Championship to millions of viewers around the world, it is critical that ESPN analysts refrain from bias and unwarranted speculations that border on slander.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/232210945/Chris-Evert-Pam-Shriver-ESPN-You-All-Owe-Serena-Williams-An-Apology

I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion.

And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.

Nope! I've told you guys, I have no idea who these new players are since I just don't watch the them much these days! It's just unwatchable for the most part; not to mention all the squealing and grunting which is so unlady-like! I never missed past #1's like Henin and Hingis! As for the apparent victim-hood of Serena, I'm sure others are tested enough; they just don't whine about it!

The Williams' have always felt "put upon" from the very beginning! I always said "cry me a freakin' river" when the entire family were so abusive of Hingis; such a little girl at the time! Even Richard had some juvenile comments referencing the #1 player back in '97! I'm quite aware they may not have been welcomed with open arms, but they didn't help themselves with some of their own behavior! Both would say some of the tackiest stuff at press conferences after a loss; "she didn't beat me, I beat myself!" I'd tell them to "keep walking b!tches" if I were a fellow player of the WTA! Shriver did her part to make them feel a part of the tour, but they still complained; usually playing the race card! If you're looking for resistant, you'll find it even if it doesn't exist! Being Black myself, I never felt anything like the stuff voiced by both the girls, but I guess it helped coming from a mixed family (step-father Jewish), so I just never thought about it!
 

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RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
Fiero425 said:
RJD11 said:
I agree Special: The inference that Serena was under the influence

of drugs or whatever is insulting. She is probably the most tested

Tennis player in the game. And after nearly 20 years of scrutiny

any drug prob would have been detected long ago. Instead of

concern for her health with her illness there are always the detractors

who just want to bring her down.

More victimhood huh? :nono Why would Serena be the most tested tennis player in the game; cause she wins? Spare me please! If she comes out staggering around like that, what do you expect people to think? Blame her family and handlers for allowing her to come out like that! The commentators were only voicing the obvious; esp. that she no longer gets the benefit of the doubt because of her wretched history of pulling stunts after a loss! :nono :puzzled :angel:

Come on Fiero, you of all peeps should know how Serena has

complained in the past how the drug testers have invaded her

privacy in the past so many times to test her. You follow the game.


They have been trying for years to bring her down because she

doesn't look like their idea of the ideal tennis Tennis champion.

The biggest example is a while back when Wimb admitted to putting

her out on court 1 or 2 because they wanted the beautiful

blondes on center court. Which they continue to do. ( compare

how many times Fed, Nadal, and Murray have played on outer

courts to how many times Serena has. Shabby way to treat a

10 time Wimb Champion.

And don't even get me started on the " random draws " and

the new " cliche " for them the Media has come up with.

Nope! I've told you guys, I have no idea who these new players are since I just don't watch the them much these days! It's just unwatchable for the most part; not to mention all the squealing and grunting which is so unlady-like! I never missed past #1's like Henin and Hingis! As for the apparent victim-hood of Serena, I'm sure others are tested enough; they just don't whine about it!

The Williams' have always felt "put upon" from the very beginning! I always said "cry me a freakin' river" when the entire family were so abusive of Hingis; such a little girl at the time! Even Richard had some juvenile comments referencing the #1 player back in '97! I'm quite aware they may not have been welcomed with open arms, but they didn't help themselves with some of their own behavior! Both would say some of the tackiest stuff at press conferences after a loss; "she didn't beat me, I beat myself!" I'd tell them to "keep walking b!tches" if I were a fellow player of the WTA! Shriver did her part to make them feel a part of the tour, but they still complained; usually playing the race card! If you're looking for resistant, you'll find it even if it doesn't exist! Being Black myself, I never felt anything like the stuff voiced by both the girls, but I guess it helped coming from a mixed family (step-father Jewish), so I just never thought about it!

Squealing and Grunting? Who the squeals and grunts more than the Pova,

Azerenka, Errani and some of the other newer players who are bringing it

to new levels.

Abusive to Hingis? Puh-lease. Hingis was one of the most obnoxious brats

of the tennis world. You remember when she asked her opponent " do you

want me to serve first or break you first ". or her temper tantrum at the FO

Or, the Venus' Pearls incident. She started messin with the Sisters first. They

just reponded.

Tacky stuff at press conferences? I guess you're talkin about the old not praisin

opponent thing. Well another poster said it like this a few years ago:

As a fan of many other sports besides tennis, I've never quite understood the preoccupation of many tennis fans with the need for players to "praise" their opponent in a post match interview. I don't get it, since its not expected in other sports I follow. For instance, Red Sox players are not expected to go on and on about how good the Yankees are after a loss. Fans don't wanna hear that. They wanna know why you didn't beat the Yankees, because they expect them to beat the Yankees! When Red Sox pitcher Padro Martinez said something about the Yankees "being his daddy" because they regularly beat his brains in, his fans thought he'd lost his mind and more important lost his mental edge. Its not his job to praise the Yankees - there are plenty of neutral observers to do that - he should be concentrating on playing better and beating the competition.

" Now, it is very true that the Williams sisters don't go out of their way to praise their opponents, after wins or losses. But the sisters were taught, correctly in my extimation, that their destiny is in their own hands. They believe that if they play up to their capability, they will win. So naturally, when asked about the match, they are gonna want to talk about how they played...how their opponent played is irrelevant to them. That's not an insult, so players (AND ESPECIALLY THOSE PLAYER'S FANS) SHOULD NOT TAKE IT AS SUCH. Its just honestly how they feel.

The feeling I get reading the Williams criticism, is that much of it stems from the desire of fans of other players that the Williams' validate the talents of their favorite players. Well fine, but if I'm a competitive player, why would I want to boost the confidence of an opponent by praising them, when i might have to play them again next week? The criticism makes no sense to me. That's not their respnonsibility, and its condesending to think their favs need it. These girls are pros, not little leaguers who need thier egos protected. The WTA is not a country club league anymore, people. I think there's some sexism involved too, becasue the men aren't held to the same goofy standard. John McEnroe has glowing praise for Bjorn Borg NOW, he wasn't singing his praises quite so loudly whan he was competing against him. Beleive me, when Lindsay Davenport retires, Venus Williams will have nothing but effusive praise for her talents. Right now though, she's an opponent."
 

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Well they're the only rude players out there! They are so dismissive of everyone who challenges them! How would they like to be overlooked and thought of as only average? They wouldn't like it or believe it! Evert and Shriver are always singing their praises which is why I'm just shocked people have taken offense to what they had to say about Serena almost falling on her face before that double's match! :nono :puzzled :angel:
 

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Let's get real. They're not the only rude players on tour. Since you know so much about the previous generations, you know these players were often rude on court or were just plain a$$holes. Nastase, Rios, Safin, Connors and JMac come to mind. I'm sure you remember the Tarango incident. Ivanesevic, Spirlea and Agnes Savay aren't winning any congeniality contest either.

On a different note, I have more respect for Serena and Venus than some other players who have cheated or accepted a point or advantage they did not earn (Martinez-Sanchez, Sprem, Raonic, Henin etc).
 

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OK, here is my take on this. I think too much race card is being played here.
I believe Evert and Shriver would have reacted in the same way if some other
white player had behaved on court in such a disoriented manner.

This is not to say that the suggestion that Serena was on drugs is true.
I don't know whether it is true or not. I hope it is not true.

However, unlike you are medical expert knowing different kinds of
weird ailments, the first reaction of an ordinary person (including a commentator
or professional tennis player) would be to think that Serena is on some kind
of drugs. We all have to realize here that we are not talking about poor play
here, we are talking about having basic control over your motor action.
To think that a 17 time GS champion will enter the court lacking basic
control over motor action is difficult. The only immediate suspicion would
be that she does not have control over motor action as she does not have
control over her mind.

I don't have any problem over Evert's and Shriver's initial reaction.
What I have trouble is with their dishonesty is not owning their initial
reaction the next day. The next day, Evert was saying that she did not
mean to suggest Serena was on drugs while she clearly suggested.
Instead she should have just come out open and said that yes, she
suggested and she could be wrong as she is not aware of all kinds
of ailments.

Instead, they took a damage control operation of putting a
black guy in the midst and making him say various things which
they themselves did not want to say directly.

This is the problem with the US Society. Hell bent on so
much political correctness. Does not allow people to make mistakes.
Does not allow open expression of feelings on difficult issues.
This is why real progress on these issues is not achieved.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
OK, here is my take on this. I think too much race card is being played here.
I believe Evert and Shriver would have reacted in the same way if some other
white player had behaved on court in such a disoriented manner.

This is not to say that the suggestion that Serena was on drugs is true.
I don't know whether it is true or not. I hope it is not true.

However, unlike you are medical expert knowing different kinds of
weird ailments, the first reaction of an ordinary person (including a commentator
or professional tennis player) would be to think that Serena is on some kind
of drugs. We all have to realize here that we are not talking about poor play
here, we are talking about having basic control over your motor action.
To think that a 17 time GS champion will enter the court lacking basic
control over motor action is difficult. The only immediate suspicion would
be that she does not have control over motor action as she does not have
control over her mind.

I don't have any problem over Evert's and Shriver's initial reaction.
What I have trouble is with their dishonesty is not owning their initial
reaction the next day. The next day, Evert was saying that she did not
mean to suggest Serena was on drugs while she clearly suggested.
Instead she should have just come out open and said that yes, she
suggested and she could be wrong as she is not aware of all kinds
of ailments.

Instead, they took a damage control operation of putting a
black guy in the midst and making him say various things which
they themselves did not want to say directly.

This is the problem with the US Society. Hell bent on so
much political correctness. Does not allow people to make mistakes.
Does not allow open expression of feelings on difficult issues.
This is why real progress on these issues is not achieved.

Brilliant, thoughtful post rather than just going off the deep end coming up with comparisons that are about as accurate as apples and oranges! Thank you! :clap: :clap:
 

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[/b]If a person does not normally act like they do not have control over their motor functions, my first thought would not be they must be on drugs (that is not a normal reaction). My first thought would be that their must be something seriously wrong with them[/b] Serena has never acted this way before, so why would assuming drugs be an initial reaction?



I do have a problem with Evert's and Shriver's initial reaction. To make such a carless and dangerous statement about an athlete is just wrong and I would say malicious. Drug abuse allegations can be detrimental to an athlete, especially one at the top of his/her sport. They were carless and malicious. This is not the first time I have heard or read biased statements from them, especially Shriver.
 

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Game set, well written, well documented with proper meaning and insightful analysis. May I add, being a broadcaster and journalist for too many decades to count, we were taught some of the finer points of this industry. Ex-players of many sports think they can just step in and be intelligent in dialogue, think they can be God's gift to the tv camera or radio microphone, and blurt out whatever they fancy and then.. oops I made a rather poor judgment call and better retract it! Well, the damage has been done, don't sugar coat it. Pam Schriver irritates me, Chrissie pretends to be so worldly it does make me run to get some Rolaids for developing acid reflex. They are not trained broadcasters or journalists as their chosen profession, thus they lack the true meaning of what the profession is all about. Humility and integrity, with thoughtful analysis of the sport they are endeavouring to cover, and a touch of tasteful controversy mixed in.
 

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Given the hoopla surrounding Serena in the doubles

I will bet the farm that the drug testers were at her

door as soon as possible after this incident.


Haven't heard anything about a positive test for anything

illegal yet....... 2 weeks later.


If there was I know it would have been front page news

They have been trying for 15+ years to take her down.

They would not miss this opportunity.


Actually I am curious: Does anyone believe after what happened

that they didn't test Serena?
 

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I think she'd be tested anyway. It seems highly unlikely that they'd think she was doping in the changing rooms just before a match. That would be weird, and career suicide. This one should be simplified: she looked ill out there.

It happens...
 

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Kieran said:
I think she'd be tested anyway. It seems highly unlikely that they'd think she was doping in the changing rooms just before a match. That would be weird, and career suicide. This one should be simplified: she looked ill out there.

It happens...

Stranger things occur all the time! I believe anything is possible these days! People always think to themselves, "that won't happen to me!" I really don't care what caused Serena to come out on court staggering; why was she even allowed to do so? Venus didn't seem too concerned! Where were her team of handlers? That was about as stupid as coming out with a 104 degree temperature! Maybe it's something mental; because she had to be a little "bent" to think she could get through a match in that condition! They had had a tough time in previous matches even when she was at her best health-wise! :nono :puzzled :angel: