Early US Open Ruminations

[GameSetAndMath]

2. I also think Murray will step it up here and be strong enough to reach the semis comfortably - if he was seeded in the top four. His seeding could be a problem but I'll keep my fingers crossed that he gets a nice draw and avoids a Dimitrov R4 and a Djokovic QF or something horrible like that. He could bump his ranking back up to scrape a top 8 seeding though, he's not defending much at Toronto/Cincy whereas Raonic is defending final points in Canada and Del Potro, even if he plays, was defending champion in Washington, semis in Cincinnati, so will be ranked behind Andy too.

Yes, it is possible that Murray can be back up in top 8 in time. Andy has only 90 and 180
to defend in the two Masters whereas JMDP has close to 1000 and Milos has over 600.
Having said that, Andy has literally no way of getting into top 4. So, even if he gets into
top 8, his draw may entail him facing the big three in succession in some order in
QF, SF and F.

If Andy makes it to top 8, his ranking won't be a big story line. After all Rafa was ranked
outside of top 4 in 2013 RG and Roger was ranked outside of top 4 for a while beginning
Wimby 2013.

3. Last I heard Del Potro was planning to come back for Kuala Lumpur which is after the US Open. I'd love to see him in New York but hopefully he doesn't rush back at long term expense.

It was in the news that JMDP signed up to play in Kualalumpur, Malaysia. As it is a
small ATP 250 tournament, people need to sign up to play in it. There is nothing like
signing up for the ATP 1000 events or the USO. In these tournaments, you are automatically
enlisted to play if you make the cut. You are in the news when you say you cannot play
despite making the cut.

To summarize, the news you read did not say JMDP is planning to begin his comeback
in Kulalumput; it simply said JMDP is planning on playing in Kulalumpur.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

A Nole -Roger semi at the Open would be another epic, mark my words, but I have this feeling we might see the first ever Rafa-Roger match at the Open.

Actually as Roger fan, despite his bad H2H against Rafa, I would prefer that he be
drawn into the same half as Rafa. Rafa is definitely less dangerous to Roger on hardcourts
than Novak. Also, this increases the chances that Novak can trip up on the way, as there
will be one more match in the line before Roger and Novak can meet.

Finally, we had seen too many matches (and in particular too many SFs) between
Roger and Novak at USO. We have never seen a single Fedal match at USO, It is
time for a change.

 

[Moxie]

A Nole -Roger semi at the Open would be another epic, mark my words, but I have this feeling we might see the first ever Rafa-Roger match at the Open.

Actually as Roger fan, despite his bad H2H against Rafa, I would prefer that he be
drawn into the same half as Rafa. Rafa is definitely less dangerous to Roger on hardcourts
than Novak. Also, this increases the chances that Novak can trip up on the way, as there
will be one more match in the line before Roger and Novak can meet.

Finally, we had seen too many matches (and in particular too many SFs) between
Roger and Novak at USO. We have never seen a single Fedal match at USO, It is
time for a change.

Like everyone, I would love to finally see a Fedal match in Flushing Meadows. I get your logic as to him drawing Rafa, though I still don't fancy his chances. But I do want to see it. lease:

 

[Moxie]

It was in the news that JMDP signed up to play in Kualalumpur, Malaysia. As it is a
small ATP 250 tournament, people need to sign up to play in it. There is nothing like
signing up for the ATP 1000 events or the USO. In these tournaments, you are automatically
enlisted to play if you make the cut. You are in the news when you say you cannot play
despite making the cut.

To summarize, the news you read did not say JMDP is planning to begin his comeback
in Kulalumput; it simply said JMDP is planning on playing in Kulalumpur.

In fairness, however, it is the only tournament that he has announced he's playing, so it could be assumed to be his comeback until a statement comes out, otherwise.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

It was in the news that JMDP signed up to play in Kualalumpur, Malaysia. As it is a
small ATP 250 tournament, people need to sign up to play in it. There is nothing like
signing up for the ATP 1000 events or the USO. In these tournaments, you are automatically
enlisted to play if you make the cut. You are in the news when you say you cannot play
despite making the cut.

To summarize, the news you read did not say JMDP is planning to begin his comeback
in Kulalumput; it simply said JMDP is planning on playing in Kulalumpur.

In fairness, however, it is the only tournament that he has announced he's playing, so it could be assumed to be his comeback until a statement comes out, otherwise.

I am attempting to tell you, probably in vain, as to how the tournament entry
system works. That is because, he cannot play in Kualalumpur without signing up.
You can safely assume that he is not playing in Washington DC as he would need
to sign up for that as well and that news did not come out. However, you cannot
assume that he is not playing in Canada, Cincy or USO until he announces the
other way.

For all we know, JMDP can drop out of USO. He can make the announcement any time
he chooses; he will probably wait till a day before the draw is made. But, unless you hear
the announcement you must assume that he is still planning on playing.

Of course, if he does not play both Canada and Cincy, it is reasonable to assume
that he probably will not play in USO.

p.s. After posting, I did check the entry lists of upcoming tournaments. JMDP's name
is not there for the Washington, DC tourney. But, his name is there in both Toronto
and Cincy as of today.

 

[DarthFed]

A Nole -Roger semi at the Open would be another epic, mark my words, but I have this feeling we might see the first ever Rafa-Roger match at the Open.

Actually as Roger fan, despite his bad H2H against Rafa, I would prefer that he be
drawn into the same half as Rafa. Rafa is definitely less dangerous to Roger on hardcourts
than Novak. Also, this increases the chances that Novak can trip up on the way, as there
will be one more match in the line before Roger and Novak can meet.

Finally, we had seen too many matches (and in particular too many SFs) between
Roger and Novak at USO. We have never seen a single Fedal match at USO, It is
time for a change.

Nah, Rafa's forehand still kicks up decent at the USO. We know Roger will go down without a whimper to Rafa, hasn't played him tough since AO 2009. It's taken 2 chokejobs of epic proportions for Roger to lose to Nole at USO. I like his chances vs. Djokovic a lot better. Maybe this time he won't play like a scrub with the match on the line!

 

[Moxie]

It was in the news that JMDP signed up to play in Kualalumpur, Malaysia. As it is a
small ATP 250 tournament, people need to sign up to play in it. There is nothing like
signing up for the ATP 1000 events or the USO. In these tournaments, you are automatically
enlisted to play if you make the cut. You are in the news when you say you cannot play
despite making the cut.

To summarize, the news you read did not say JMDP is planning to begin his comeback
in Kulalumput; it simply said JMDP is planning on playing in Kulalumpur.

In fairness, however, it is the only tournament that he has announced he's playing, so it could be assumed to be his comeback until a statement comes out, otherwise.

I am attempting to tell you, probably in vain, as to how the tournament entry
system works. That is because, he cannot play in Kualalumpur without signing up.
You can safely assume that he is not playing in Washington DC as he would need
to sign up for that as well and that news did not come out. However, you cannot
assume that he is not playing in Canada, Cincy or USO until he announces the
other way.

For all we know, JMDP can drop out of USO. He can make the announcement any time
he chooses; he will probably wait till a day before the draw is made. But, unless you hear
the announcement you must assume that he is still planning on playing.

Of course, if he does not play both Canada and Cincy, it is reasonable to assume
that he probably will not play in USO.

p.s. After posting, I did check the entry lists of upcoming tournaments. JMDP's name
is not there for the Washington, DC tourney. But, his name is there in both Toronto
and Cincy as of today.

So maybe he's in earlier. I'm only saying what he's declared, or the press has reported.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2014/05/22/Del-Potro-Training-On-Court.aspx

On 30th May of 2014, Delpotro was able to hit Volleys, Forehand and Slice backhand.
Of course, the key improvement needed for him is to be able to hit his two handed
regular (non-slice) backhand.

But, this article was dated May 30th. So, he has full two months time to work
up his game before Toronto starts and almost three months time before USO
starts from that date.

To be eligible for protected rankings, he needs to be out of action for at least
six months. That would take it to early September as he played even in
Indian Wells (early march) , even though for just one doubles match.
However, he would not skip USO just to get protected ranking. He will skip
it if he thinks he is not ready for competitive tennis yet.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

OK, here is a recent news about Del Potro which I cannot read.
Can someone translate it for me?

http://www.ahebrasil.com.br/noticias/2014/07/17/tenis/argentino+del+potro+deve+voltar+as+quadras+antes+do+us+open.html

 

[TennisFanatic7]

OK, here is a recent news about Del Potro which I cannot read.
Can someone translate it for me?

http://www.ahebrasil.com.br/noticias/2014/07/17/tenis/argentino+del+potro+deve+voltar+as+quadras+antes+do+us+open.html

It doesn't say anything we don't know. Just that he's still on the entry list for Toronto and Cincy and then a bit about his 2009 US Open win and the tournaments he has played this year.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

I hope murray stops gimping around like a overheated gimp, and sorts his tennis out.

and I'm still hoping del potro plays the u s open..word is he might have recovered in time but nothing for sure yet.

 

[Riotbeard]

I hope murray stops gimping around like a overheated gimp, and sorts his tennis out.

and I'm still hoping del potro plays the u s open..word is he might have recovered in time but nothing for sure yet.

He did almost win Indian wells, with pretty much just a slice backhand. It would be interested, if he started off by relying on the slice. It was fun to watch him maneuver people into hitting to his forehand.

 

[Kieran]

It'd be great to see DP back, but it's hard to know what to expect from him - or when to expect from him. He took a while to find his range the last time he was out...

 

[Riotbeard]

It'd be great to see DP back, but it's hard to know what to expect from him - or when to expect from him. He took a while to find his range the last time he was out...

Very true. As is happening to Andy. We got spoiled by Rafa's mind blowing comeback, and no longer expect these guys to suffer growing pains again.

 

[herios]

It'd be great to see DP back, but it's hard to know what to expect from him - or when to expect from him. He took a while to find his range the last time he was out...

Very true. As is happening to Andy. We got spoiled by Rafa's mind blowing comeback, and no longer expect these guys to suffer growing pains again.

Rafa did not have a surgery

 

[Riotbeard]

It'd be great to see DP back, but it's hard to know what to expect from him - or when to expect from him. He took a while to find his range the last time he was out...

Very true. As is happening to Andy. We got spoiled by Rafa's mind blowing comeback, and no longer expect these guys to suffer growing pains again.

Rafa did not have a surgery

Doesn't make it unimpressive. Andy is clearly physically 100% as was Delpo when he came back. I am no rafa fan, but give credit where it's due.

 

[herios]

It'd be great to see DP back, but it's hard to know what to expect from him - or when to expect from him. He took a while to find his range the last time he was out...

Very true. As is happening to Andy. We got spoiled by Rafa's mind blowing comeback, and no longer expect these guys to suffer growing pains again.

Rafa did not have a surgery

Doesn't make it unimpressive. Andy is clearly physically 100% as was Delpo when he came back. I am no rafa fan, but give credit where it's due.

You misinterpreted my statement. I did not say Rafa's comeback was not impressive, rather that after a surgery, a player needs more time to recover.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Murray will be back in this hard court season. He can't play any worse than he has this year so far.

 

[herios]

Murray will be back in this hard court season. He can't play any worse than he has this year so far.

Worse not, but equally bad, yes. Look, I know you are a fan, and I am mainly teasing you, but did not say most of the posters at the beginning of the year that he will be back by the grass season comes around? And he managed to lay down one of the worst showings on grass ever. So, you cannot be sure which Murray shows up.
By the way, I am also betting on Murray to be back in top 8 soon. But top 4? Nope.

 

[nehmeth]

Murray will be back in this hard court season. He can't play any worse than he has this year so far.

Worse not, but equally bad, yes. Look, I know you are a fan, and I am mainly teasing you, but did not say most of the posters at the beginning of the year that he will be back by the grass season comes around? And he managed to lay down one of the worst showings on grass ever. So, you cannot be sure which Murray shows up.
By the way, I am also betting on Murray to be back in top 8 soon. But top 4? Nope.

Good post herios. You made me think of the thread Isabelle started up.

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2097&highlight=When+will+Murray

With the loss of Lendl and Murray showing strong signs of returning to his self-ranting former persona, I'm beginning to wonder that it may be after the USO when he finally wins one.