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It's still about 1.5 months but let's take a look at the US Open.

Djokovic at the USO is an interesting case. He's probably the best HC player of the 2010s and still he has only 1 USO title as opposed to 5 AO titles. Still, he has made the USO final five times and he has more USO SFs than any other slam SFs, eight, in a row since 2007. He must be the favorite but him having only one title shows how well-contested USO is.

Murray would be my no. 2 favorite, he's again playing on a great level. And I'd say USO is a good chance to beat Djokovic, he's usually had an advantage in that match-up on faster surfaces.

Nadal is a big question mark. His record from past five years is two titles, once runner-up, and two withdrawals. Now he's not in the form when he won the titles, so a title would be a big surprise for me. Bo5 makes it harder to upset him but unless he improves from what we've seen this year, he should have no business against Djokovic, Murray, or well-playing Wawrinka.

I like Wawrinka's chances at the US Open. The grass season wasn't a success for him but not really below realistic expectations. He didn't lose his form totally like last year after the AO title, so I'm expecting a solid USO campaign. The RG title showed he's not a one-slam wonder but a player you don't want to face in a major final. The surface is OK for him, USO is not that fast nowadays and he's won a slam on HC at the AO.

I just don't see Federer winning the USO. Djokovic is too good for him, Murray has a good chance on HC, I'd say peak Wawrinka too, and even somebody like Seppi can upset him on a HC slam.

Even less I have faith in Cilic defending successfully his title. He's shown nothing promising this year like he did last summer. And I think Nishikori's season hasn't been as good as last year, he's shown nothing like the Madrid final last year.

So, my picks would be Djokovic or Murray, or peak Stanimal.
 

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<Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Wawrinka> in no particular order. Nadal and Cilic are wildcards.

No idea who to pick after last year's finals were two new finalists. I guess I would go (Djokovic/Murray/Wawrinka), then Federer, then Cilic/Nadal.
 

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I have checked the early odd bets:

1. Djokovic 1.25
2. Murray 4.5
3. Federer 7
4. Nadal 13
5. Wawrinka 14
 

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Novak has not even digested the grass that he ate and you guys want to talk about USO. :puzzled
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Novak has not even digested the grass that he ate and you guys want to talk about USO. :puzzled

Right on. There are several weeks until the tour goes on HC. There is another grass event first in Newport, and the DC, followed by 6 more vents on clay, the last 2 of those being disputed at the same time as the first 2 events on HC in Atlanta and Washington, So plenty of tennis still to watch.
 

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#1. Novak is 1 for 5 in U.S. Open finals. Last year he was rather subpar throughout the Summer hardcourt season. I am hoping things will be different this year and it would be great if he could finally take the Cinci title along with his 2nd U.S. Open.

#2. If Roger gets a good draw I see him making the semis or finals. I want to see how his team prepares him for the last Slam of the year - i.e. will he skip one of the Masters.

#3. Murray seems to be able to overcome his normally defensive play and do well here. I think he makes the semis without much problem.

#4. Stan?? No idea. I don't think these courts suit his game as well as the ones in Oz.

(Cilic, Nishi, Berdych, etc... I don't think we see the upsets this year like we did last.)

#10. Nadal. Does he have the potential for a run like he did in 2013? :nono Will he even contend?? Not unless some genie claps his hands, waves a wand or gives him some magic elixir to restore lost speed, lose explosiveness, lost serve and lost confidence.

Prediction: Gun to my head, a Murray v. Djokovic final.
 

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I was looking at past grand slam draws for fun...how does the #5 seed work? I see that in the past few years, the #5 seed has faced any of the #1-4 seeds in the Quarterfinals, depending on the draw.

It would be interesting (and not surprising) if Kei (who looks like he doesn't have points to defend in the warm-up tournaments leading up to the US Open) takes the #4 seed and Stan becomes a dangerous #5 seed instead.
 

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Alex Chen said:
I was looking at past grand slam draws for fun...how does the #5 seed work? I see that in the past few years, the #5 seed has faced any of the #1-4 seeds in the Quarterfinals, depending on the draw.

It would be interesting (and not surprising) if Kei (who looks like he doesn't have points to defend in the warm-up tournaments leading up to the US Open) takes the #4 seed and Stan becomes a dangerous #5 seed instead.

I actually expect that to happen assuming Kei is injury free.

#4 spot is currently a musical chair. Berdych had it in FO and Stan had it in Wimby and now it is Kei's turn. Also, whoever gets the #4 seed does not seem to make a good use of it and live up to the seeding. Berdych could not make it to SF at FO and Stan could not make it to SF at Wimby.
 

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Novak is the favorite and then it is Roger, not Andy. Federer has to feel he is more than able to hold his own after returning to the final at SW19 and getting knocked out at the semis last year in New York by the red-hot future champion, Marin Cilic. Barring an otherworldly performance by Cilic, Roger must think he would have beaten the man from Japan. So, Fed is my second choice. After those two, I go with Stanislas, then with Andy, and then a host of others. Nadal I hold off on until I see how he does during the drive to New York swing. If he goes deep and/or wins a title, then he is up with Stanimal in terms of taking a title.
 

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And we are starting here again. I remember last year who were the two favs and at the end Cilic who was not included was the winner
This year typically the two first names are Wawrinka, Novak and Federer again but surprise surprise, we'll see how is going to be the draw, who is playing well or not so well and (hope not ) the injuries. I just would like to watch a very competitive tournament and if it would be possible to see every player at 100% fitted :cool: :popcorn
 

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nehmeth said:
#1. Novak is 1 for 5 in U.S. Open finals. Last year he was rather subpar throughout the Summer hardcourt season. I am hoping things will be different this year and it would be great if he could finally take the Cinci title along with his 2nd U.S. Open.

#2. If Roger gets a good draw I see him making the semis or finals. I want to see how his team prepares him for the last Slam of the year - i.e. will he skip one of the Masters.

#3. Murray seems to be able to overcome his normally defensive play and do well here. I think he makes the semis without much problem.

#4. Stan?? No idea. I don't think these courts suit his game as well as the ones in Oz.

(Cilic, Nishi, Berdych, etc... I don't think we see the upsets this year like we did last.)

#10. Nadal. Does he have the potential for a run like he did in 2013? :nono Will he even contend?? Not unless some genie claps his hands, waves a wand or gives him some magic elixir to restore lost speed, lose explosiveness, lost serve and lost confidence.

Prediction: Gun to my head, a Murray v. Djokovic final.
If Genie has a wand or some magic elixir she'll save it for herself. She can use it. ;)

Nadal is indeed an unknown factor. Things are not looking good, but perhaps it's a bit too soon to write him off. Personally I think that if he'll ever get back on track, and I say IF, it'll come on his beloved clay.
 

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jhar26 said:
nehmeth said:
#10. Nadal. Does he have the potential for a run like he did in 2013? :nono Will he even contend?? Not unless some genie claps his hands, waves a wand or gives him some magic elixir to restore lost speed, lose explosiveness, lost serve and lost confidence.
If Genie has a wand or some magic elixir she'll save it for herself. She can use it. ;)

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Well played. Yes, she does need some help.

I always appreciate when you drop in to the ATP forum jhar26. Have enjoyed the posts!
 

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Reading some comments here.....to each his own theme :rolleyes:
It's about time that Nadal breaks the deadlock and comeback once and for all
I don't think he needs a genie or a mentalist/doctor or two coaches or something similar, he just needs to get back the enthusiasm and the wish to win which I'm afraid he doesn't.
Hope these long vacations ( without any injury) have helped him to recovery his always positive and great mentality and comeback with the desire to win and I don't think he has to wait for his lovely clay where he plays this year even worse than on HC, he has to start since this next HC season and I'm sure that if he would want to make it he will, all depends of himself, nothing else :cool:
It would be great that he would win his third USO :clap
 

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Carol35 said:
Reading some comments here.....to each his own theme :rolleyes:
It's about time that Nadal breaks the deadlock and comeback once and for all
I don't think he needs a genie or a mentalist/doctor or two coaches or something similar, he just needs to get back the enthusiasm and the wish to win which I'm afraid he doesn't.
Hope these long vacations ( without any injury) have helped him to recovery his always positive and great mentality and comeback with the desire to win and I don't think he has to wait for his lovely clay where he plays this year even worse than on HC, he has to start since this next HC season and I'm sure that if he would want to make it he will, all depends of himself, nothing else :cool:
You just don't get it, do you. It is not the desire, it is his body which does not respond the way it used to. He has to make adjustments. If not, it is one way street, downwards.
 

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herios said:
Carol35 said:
Reading some comments here.....to each his own theme :rolleyes:
It's about time that Nadal breaks the deadlock and comeback once and for all
I don't think he needs a genie or a mentalist/doctor or two coaches or something similar, he just needs to get back the enthusiasm and the wish to win which I'm afraid he doesn't.
Hope these long vacations ( without any injury) have helped him to recovery his always positive and great mentality and comeback with the desire to win and I don't think he has to wait for his lovely clay where he plays this year even worse than on HC, he has to start since this next HC season and I'm sure that if he would want to make it he will, all depends of himself, nothing else :cool:
You just don't get it, do you. It is not the desire, it is his body which does not respond the way it used to. He has to make adjustments. If not, it is one way street, downwards.

I see that you are the one who don't get it, definitely you don't. Of course he has to make some adjustments, you are not saying anything new lol
 

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I've been down on Nadal's level since after the 2014 AO, but I must say this talk of miracle turnaround is much. The adjustments aren't as severe as some are making them out to be, as far as going deep in slams again. Now as far as having that little bit extra that is required to win slams, that's a different issue. One that won't happen this year.
 

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Don't know if Nadal can still have a major role in USO . he's especially unlucky in USA. Wait and see but I'm not very optimist about his chances. Nole remains the big fav but who knows ? maybe another surprise like in 2014 ??
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Carol35 said:
It's about time that Nadal breaks the dreadlock and comeback once and for all

Fixed it.

What are you talking about? why have you changed the word deadlock for that nonsense word and saying "fixed"? it's clear that you have a very serious problem against Nadal and everything about him, sad :(:rolleyes: