David Nalbandian retires from tennis.

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Kieran said:
Well said, Cali, and I'll be interested in how you develop your thesis of Nalbandian as a pure tennis principle as opposed to a tennis principal ...

Well, the résumé is too slim to be mentioned as a "principal". But no one has been more ideal in their beat moments.

In my big post, I'll try to avoid any cheap shots at Nadal. This moment is too serious for that. I'll save those digs for another time.
 

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calitennis127 said:
In my big post, I'll try to avoid any cheap shots at Nadal. This moment is too serious for that. I'll save those digs for another time.

Ah you're very good, cos we're all very insecure about how great he is. :lolz:

But I'm looking forward to your tennis obit. Daveed was a man of talent, but I hope you also don't gloss over his deficiencies, in particular his inability to rise to the occasion at slams. That's not a knock on him, but to point out the obvious. It's worth exploring, alongside his attributes. I know you've written candidly about this aspect before...
 

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I don't think anybody who truly enjoys the sport didn't enjoy watching Nalbandian play. He was quite unique and some of the best matches I ever saw from an entertainment perspective were his clashes with Federer several years ago.

While, I never agreed with Cali's synopsis that he was a one of the uber-elite or that he was THE most talented player in the sport, he was still a talent and good to watch.
 

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I must confess I though of you, Cali, upon hearing of David's retirement. I felt the same when Connors retired many (well, not that many :) ) years ago. I truly felt he could, on his day, stand toe-to-toe with anyone and some of his matches (like britbox noted) against his old nemesis, Roger Federer, were superlative. That one year he beat Nadal and Fed in the same Masters event showed how good he could be. All in all, he leaves me feeling a bit like how I felt about the Bit Cat, Miloslav Mecir--he ought to have been able to accomplish more than he actually did.
 

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Here's an interview. He says that he was perfectly fine playing from the baseline, but after a day of serving, he could no longer lift up his arm.




Q: When you had surgery in May did you think that this would be decisive for your career or that you might still be able to recover from it?

David: No, no. I was hoping to return because the tests didn't show the injury to be as serious as they realised it was when they opened me up. When the surgery was over the doctors told me that I was much more badly injured that they had expected. It's true, after that doubts arose about returning to the Tour. But before that I could no longer play. The pain I had was infernal. I couldn't train, my shoulder hurt all the time but the hope that I might be able to return was still there. And then it got complicated.

Q: Considering the draw for the Davis Cup 2014 [home tie for Argentina against Italy] some thought that you might retire there. Or maybe in February, at the Copa Claro.

David: No. The thing is that I'm perfectly fine, playing from the baseline. But the problems start when I serve. My shoulder will act up after only a short time and that's why I can't make any plans to play the tournament in Buenos Aires. The shoulder doesn't allow demanding training. Today I might be fine and then tomorrow I can't even lift my arm. February is too far away. If it was up to me I'd keep playing Davis Cup, also without a ranking, but I can't go on court giving [my opponents] so many advantages.

Q: How much of an influence has your daughter been for arriving at this decision?

David: Aheeem.... Actually not that much because if I could go on playing, I would. Obviously, I stay home now instead of going to the movies, I stay with her. But if I could keep playing and competing I'd do a little more of that. For the moment I continue my rehabilitation because I want to have a good farewell in front of the people and I hope that they will join me.

Q: What do you think is your legacy?

David: I don't know. You'd have to ask the guys about that, the youngest ones. But hopefully it's the best one, that they start playing tennis, doing sports, making an effort, trying to improve. I hope it'll be that. And the people? I hope they'll have good memories of me, or the best possible ones. But I don't know what's going to happen. Hopefully [the memories] will be good ones, of a guy who gave everything he could, every Davis Cup week.

Q: You were the last active member of La Legion. How would you describe this phenomenon that lasted over a decade?

David: I've never thought about being the last. I think about it from the perspective of having been part of a spectacular group of players, because there were actually different groups, that over the course of ten or twelve years achieved lots of things, we made headlines in world tennis. It'll be very difficult to repeat. It was great to have elevated Argentine tennis to this kind of level. I think it was a generation of players that brought tennis back to the people. Tennis has become very popular again [in Argentina] and I hope that I have contributed something to that.

Q: A lot of people think that in 2006 you could've been number one. What was missing?

David: I've had the fortune and the misfortune to meet basically two of the best tennis players of all time. That's how I'll summarise it for you, short and to the point. For me, it's about Federer and Nadal. Roger broke all the records and Rafa is on the brink of doing it. To have shared that great era with them, to have won, lost and to have been at that kind of level has been an honour.

Q: You've had a staggering career and you've also had some interests that other professional tennis players would perhaps not choose to pursue. Do you think at some point you might have neglected your physical fitness?

David: Many of those things, like bungee jumping, I did because of philosophy of life, personality or style. You live life only once and there's far more to it than tennis, or journalism, or whatever. People are the way they are and enjoy what they enjoy. At each of those stages that was what gave me air to breathe or what kept me grounded so I'd be able to keep up a good level on the Tour. Whether it was swimming, car racing or whatever. I like those kinds of sports, they allow me to breathe so I can return to competing with my batteries recharged. The tennis circuit is tough and you need mental breaks. If the same opportunity presented itself to me today I'd do it again. If I hadn't done it I would've retired earlier because of my head, no doubt about that.

Q: Do you have any regrets? Do you criticise yourself for things you have done and that have affected you or the Davis Cup team?

David: Everybody criticises themselves because if you go to bed 100% satisfied then that's not really normal. I keep these things to myself. I think that you get drawn into a huge maelstrom. In any case, I don't regret the things I have done.

Q: What will you miss?

David: Watching the video screens [at the press conference], what made me tear up were those Davis Cup images. The Davis Cup is a thorn in my side that I couldn't get rid of. We only needed to win three points, nothing more than just that. We got very close. We had a series of good performances in the last decade and the closest one was Mar del Plata. It's the only trophy we couldn't bring home to Argentina.

Q: What are you going to do in the future?

David: I don't have any plan. It's still too recent and tough to think about in the coming months.
 

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Like I said, Nalbandian will be Davis Cup Captain some day. Don't know if he can bother actually touring with other players though and doing the work he never fully committed to during his career.
 

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wtf? how did i miss that? i do visit my sports pages, but since he never crossed over to actually winning big titles, this one wasn't reflected in the headline sections, i guess. gee, i really wish i had more time to lurk around here.

now, from a more settled pov: of course, it's been a long time coming. hope he enjoys the family life. it'll be nice to have a big farewell opportunity with Rafa on court.
 

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johnsteinbeck said:
wtf? how did i miss that? i do visit my sports pages, but since he never crossed over to actually winning big titles, this one wasn't reflected in the headline sections, i guess. gee, i really wish i had more time to lurk around here.

now, from a more settled pov: of course, it's been a long time coming. hope he enjoys the family life. it'll be nice to have a big farewell opportunity with Rafa on court.

Your sport pages deserve a good spankling for treating King David like that....I guess he'll continue in tennis (coach, DC's captain...) but for now, he must continue his shoulder rehabilitation to be ready to play those 2 exhs with Nadal (a good friend of him)
 

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It's kind of funny if Nalbandian becomes a coach. Seriously. I mean, rigour and attention to detail aren't his attributes, nor is fitness and discipline. I suppose he'd hire someone in for that stuff. But guys like him don't always make good explainers of what it is they could do. I expect he'll be a Davis Cup captain, but so was John McEnroe...
 

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Kieran said:
It's kind of funny if Nalbandian becomes a coach. Seriously. I mean, rigour and attention to detail aren't his attributes, nor is fitness and discipline. I suppose he'd hire someone in for that stuff. But guys like him don't always make good explainers of what it is they could do. I expect he'll be a Davis Cup captain, but so was John McEnroe...


Kieran, I only partially agree with that. I do think Nalbandian in certain ways is very "rigorous" and attentive to detail. Almost, to the point of compulsive perfectionism - hence the Queen's incident.

But in other ways, he was not "rigorous" enough in fine tuning his game, particularly his serve. And you are of course right about discipline and fitness.

I do think Nalbandian would make an excellent coach, however, in terms of assessing match-ups and advising players on how best to approach opponents.
 

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calitennis127 said:
I do think Nalbandian would make an excellent coach, however, in terms of assessing match-ups and advising players on how best to approach opponents.

Then he would be a strategic coach, or tactical, but what about technical nuts and bolts stuff? It's impossible for us to say, but sometimes guys whose gifts are beyond even their understanding have difficulty transmitting the game to people of inferior skill. Could be that he'd be a great coach, we'll have to wait and see...
 

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johnsteinbeck said:
wtf? how did i miss that? i do visit my sports pages, but since he never crossed over to actually winning big titles, this one wasn't reflected in the headline sections, i guess. gee, i really wish i had more time to lurk around here.

now, from a more settled pov: of course, it's been a long time coming. hope he enjoys the family life. it'll be nice to have a big farewell opportunity with Rafa on court.

dave did win big titles.

.ok he 'forgot' to win a major, but the wtf and masters are still big. :celeb:
 

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Kieran said:
calitennis127 said:
I do think Nalbandian would make an excellent coach, however, in terms of assessing match-ups and advising players on how best to approach opponents.

Then he would be a strategic coach, or tactical, but what about technical nuts and bolts stuff? It's impossible for us to say, but sometimes guys whose gifts are beyond even their understanding have difficulty transmitting the game to people of inferior skill. Could be that he'd be a great coach, we'll have to wait and see...

I'll put it this way: if I was a player who was struggling at 53% of first serves in and I wanted a coach who would help me get that number into the 60s, I wouldn't be calling up Coach Nalbandian.

If, however, I was someone like, say, Roger Federer and I needed advice on how not to be a bonehead in rallies against Rafael Nadal, then I would call up Coach Nalbandian in a second.
 

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Nalbandian is 2-5 against Rafa - that's an even worse ratio than Roger. Still advice is cheap and Roger is a rich man...
 

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Nalbandian's 2 handed backhand is a stunning shot and that's why he has more success in many rallies than Federer does against Nadal but no advice will make a 32 year with a one handed BH suddenly start using 2.
 

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Kieran said:
Nalbandian is 2-5 against Rafa - that's an even worse ratio than Roger. Still advice is cheap and Roger is a rich man...


Three of Nadal's wins over Nalbandian were lucky, cheap wins that Nalbandian gave away with a second-set meltdown. They had nothing to do with Nalbandian being deficient in rallies, which is what Federer could use a little bit of help with.
 

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calitennis127 said:
Kieran said:
Nalbandian is 2-5 against Rafa - that's an even worse ratio than Roger. Still advice is cheap and Roger is a rich man...


Three of Nadal's wins over Nalbandian were lucky, cheap wins that Nalbandian gave away with a second-set meltdown. They had nothing to do with Nalbandian being deficient in rallies, which is what Federer could use a little bit of help with.

Three out of 5. "Lucky." ("Cheap" I'll ignore, because it's just a derogatory and purely editorial.) I'll invite you to back that up, if you like, but I also want you to try hard to come up with another example of two players, one who has a similar H2H v. the other, whose majority victories came, in your opinion, via "luck." I'm sure you must pay attention to this, since it insults you, so. Or is Nadal the only lucky man, (and surely by your definition the luckiest,) in tennis?
 

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calitennis127 said:
Here's an interview. He says that he was perfectly fine playing from the baseline, but after a day of serving, he could no longer lift up his arm.





Q: A lot of people think that in 2006 you could've been number one. What was missing?

David: I've had the fortune and the misfortune to meet basically two of the best tennis players of alltime. That's how I'll summarise it for you, short and to the point. For me, it's about Federer and Nadal. Roger broke all the records and Rafa is on the brink of doing it. To have shared that great era with them, to have won, lost and to have been at that kind of level has been an honour.

So, Cali, now that you have heard it from YOUR horses' mouth, maybe a bit more respect towards these two?:cool:
 

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Moxie629 said:
calitennis127 said:
Kieran said:
Nalbandian is 2-5 against Rafa - that's an even worse ratio than Roger. Still advice is cheap and Roger is a rich man...


Three of Nadal's wins over Nalbandian were lucky, cheap wins that Nalbandian gave away with a second-set meltdown. They had nothing to do with Nalbandian being deficient in rallies, which is what Federer could use a little bit of help with.

Three out of 5. "Lucky." ("Cheap" I'll ignore, because it's just a derogatory and purely editorial.) I'll invite you to back that up, if you like, but I also want you to try hard to come up with another example of two players, one who has a similar H2H v. the other, whose majority victories came, in your opinion, via "luck." I'm sure you must pay attention to this, since it insults you, so. Or is Nadal the only lucky man, (and surely by your definition the luckiest,) in tennis?



Nalbandian was decidedly the better player for the first two sets of both of their Indian Wells matches. Each of those matches should have been over in 2, especially the 2009 one, though the 2012 match was no less inexcusable a collapse on Nalbandian's part.

In the Miami 2010 match, it was just vintage Nadal: be outplayed and then pull out one game by holding a couple breakpoints, turn up the stamina heat and make the opponent hit an extra ball every time, and then mix in one or two opportunistic winners. Nalbandian should've won the 5th game of the second set to go up 3-2 when he was up 15-40 on Nadal's serve, and from there he should have taken the set 6-3. It was right there for him. He had been the superior match to that point, but lost because of Nadal's stamina and persistence, and his own lack of a gameplan for key deciding points.