Biogenesis / Troicki / Cilic / Doping in Tennis

[tented]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

I'm glad you mentioned this again. Since he was being physically hampered by the gluten allergy, and has now resolved it, these adjustments seem to have helped a lot.

 

[Moxie]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

I'm glad you mentioned this again. Since he was being physically hampered by the gluten allergy, and has now resolved it, these adjustments seem to have helped a lot.

Yes, my question about the egg is more general purposes, since this is a doping thread. We know that Djokovic "flirted" with the egg, but now seems to have distanced himself from it like a crazy girlfriend. The other options seem to make more sense as to him taking the next step up.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

I'm glad you mentioned this again. Since he was being physically hampered by the gluten allergy, and has now resolved it, these adjustments seem to have helped a lot.

This is where, I beg to differ. If somebody is found to have violated
doping rules and won, there should not be a later analysis like,
"he would have won even without doping", "the doping contributed
only 10% to his victory etc". It should be a binary matter and
the victory and prize money should be thrown away, along with
appropriate suspension.

This is the mistake that Pat McEnroe makes in that articles also
saying he would have any way won as his strokes are better etc.
If somebody can any way win, I say win it without doping.

Disclaimer: I am not saying Oxygen Egg Business is illegal
as it is technically not.

 

[Moxie]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

I'm glad you mentioned this again. Since he was being physically hampered by the gluten allergy, and has now resolved it, these adjustments seem to have helped a lot.

This is where, I beg to differ. If somebody is found to have violated
doping rules and won, there should not be a later analysis like,
"he would have won even without doping", "the doping contributed
only 10% to his victory etc". It should be a binary matter and
the victory and prize money should be thrown away, along with
appropriate suspension.

This is the mistake that Pat McEnroe makes in that articles also
saying he would have any way won as his strokes are better etc.
If somebody can any way win, I say win it without doping.

Disclaimer: I am not saying Oxygen Egg Business is illegal
as it is technically not.

Differ from what? I claim that Djokovic's ascention to the top is about his diet change, and a great run of confidence-gaining wins. The egg is not illegal.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

Differ from what? I claim that Djokovic's ascention to the top is about his diet change, and a great run of confidence-gaining wins. The egg is not illegal.

While I agree that egg is not illegal, Your original message quoted above has the tacit implication that the egg did not play a great role. You do not know
(neither do I), how much different factors contributed, including egg.

 

[Moxie]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

Differ from what? I claim that Djokovic's ascention to the top is about his diet change, and a great run of confidence-gaining wins. The egg is not illegal.

While I agree that egg is not illegal, Your original message quoted above has the tacit implication that the egg did not play a great role. You do not know
(neither do I), how much different factors contributed, including egg.

I believe I have been clear. I don't think the"Egg" featured, in terms of Djokovic. My question is whether or not it should be allowed in general terms. Of course I don't know if the Egg had a significant impact, as to Novak, but if you look at the diet change, and the sequence of matches that gave Novak the confidence to re-win the AO, and go on the tear that he did, I don't think you need an Egg to explain it.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I am very sure that according to the rules of ATP/ITF, a player
is not required to admit that he touched the net when the referee did not
see it. So, what Milos did is 100% legal. It may not be ethical or
in the "spirit of the sport".

All of us got irritated by this as is evident by multiple poster's reaction
in the CANADIAN MASTERS Thread.

It seems funny to me that we debate about the ethics of
one point so much, but pay no attention to entire matches
and sometimes even entire tournaments
being won in unethical manner against the "spirit of the sport"

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

athletics have changed the minimum ban from 2 years back up to 4 years..

tennis should do the same..as well as have some more frequent tests.

 

[Moxie]

I am very sure that according to the rules of ATP/ITF, a player
is not required to admit that he touched the net when the referee did not
see it. So, what Milos did is 100% legal. It may not be ethical or
in the "spirit of the sport".

All of us got irritated by this as is evident by multiple poster's reaction
in the CANADIAN MASTERS Thread.

It seems funny to me that we debate about the ethics of
one point so much, but pay no attention to entire matches
and sometimes even entire tournaments
being won in unethical manner against the "spirit of the sport"

I think you meant to post this on the Canadian Open thread.

 

[tented]

And, for the record, I believe that diet change and confidence made the difference.

I'm glad you mentioned this again. Since he was being physically hampered by the gluten allergy, and has now resolved it, these adjustments seem to have helped a lot.

This is where, I beg to differ. If somebody is found to have violated
doping rules and won, there should not be a later analysis like,
"he would have won even without doping", "the doping contributed
only 10% to his victory etc". It should be a binary matter and
the victory and prize money should be thrown away, along with
appropriate suspension.

This is the mistake that Pat McEnroe makes in that articles also
saying he would have any way won as his strokes are better etc.
If somebody can any way win, I say win it without doping.

Disclaimer: I am not saying Oxygen Egg Business is illegal
as it is technically not.

Re-read what I wrote. At no point did I mention doping, PEDs, the Egg, or any other illicit activity or substance. Nor did I mention anything about violating doping rules. Nor do I claim that his current diet is the answer to everything (that's the "helped a lot" part).

You're replying to something I never wrote, and making false conclusions on my positions on issues which weren't even being discussed.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Does any one know where Djokovic is staying this year, while playing at USO 2013?

 

[Moxie]

Does any one know where Djokovic is staying this year, while playing at USO 2013?

Now, how is anyone going to know that? And why would you put it on this thread, GSM?

 

[ftan]

Does any one know where Djokovic is staying this year, while playing at USO 2013?

Not in my house GSandM. Though he did say, if US Open happened in California, he would come :snigger

 

[August]

Not about tennis but worth posting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/sports/research-finds-wide-doping-study-withheld.html?ref=sports&_r=0

An anonymous study was made in 2011 in athletics with over 2,000 participants. 29% of participants at the World Ch'ships and 45% of participants at the Pan-Arab Games anonymously admitted doping even though only 2% of 2010 tests were positive.

What does that have to do with tennis? Well, that shows weaknesses of doping testing. And obviously a top-100 player makes more money than most track&field athletes, so they can afford doping even better.

Does any one know where Djokovic is staying this year, while playing at USO 2013?

Now, how is anyone going to know that? And why would you put it on this thread, GSM?

Maybe he'd be staying where the egg is.

 

[ClayDeath]

I hear he has ordered 3 eggs this year:

1. 1 for court side

2. 1 for the locker room

3. 1 for where he is staying.


and 3 Buddhist monks to teach him to be calm after he wins a point on the court.

 

[Front242]

I hear he has ordered 3 eggs this year:

1. 1 for court side

2. 1 for the locker room

3. 1 for where he is staying.


and 3 Buddhist monks to teach him to be calm after he wins a point on the court.

His tennis hasn't been great lately so I guess he's just trying to go one further in his efforts to stink the place up and maybe distract his opponents

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I hear he has ordered 3 eggs this year:

Most people buy eggs in a dozen. He must be very poor.

 

[isabelle]

Is it true that Cilic could be suspended during one year from Hambourg 2013 ?
ITF hasn't confirmed what a croatian paper said but I think it's harsh for a glucose tablet !!

 

[August]

Is it true that Cilic could be suspended during one year from Hambourg 2013 ?
ITF hasn't confirmed what a croatian paper said but I think it's harsh for a glucose tablet !!

I think somebody's confused Munich with Hamburg. Cilic's doping offence happened in Munich.

 

[Front242]

Is it true that Cilic could be suspended during one year from Hambourg 2013 ?
ITF hasn't confirmed what a croatian paper said but I think it's harsh for a glucose tablet !!

It's only harsh if you believe Cilic's excuse and that of his team.