AUSTRALIAN OPEN, Melbourne, ATP GRAND SLAM

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On a different note, I'm impressed with Nadal's serving and I think he's been hitting better from behind the baseline. I still think he would need to raise his game an extra level if he is to seriously contend next week, but this win is a huge positive.
 

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I think he has a bright future but it's not a given because right now he's shown a propensity to choke hard. Maybe he figures it out...maybe he doesn't

Not sure it's choking. He's not great at the net. And he has mental lapses. First games after going up 2-1 in sets pretty much ruined his chances of winning this match. That and giving away leads in his serve games.
 

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I never dismiss Rafa, I've been rooting for his demise at every tournament for about a decade.
On a more positive note, it seems our pal Ferrer is definitely on his way out.
 
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Not sure it's choking. He's not great at the net. And he has mental lapses. First games after going up 2-1 in sets pretty much ruined his chances of winning this match. That and giving away leads in his serve games.

Yeah, I don't think it was choking... his mental deficiencies are more to do with concentration and shot selection. One thing I don't think he lacks is self-belief. He's got it.

We've got to remember this pup was in with one of the greatest players ever to pick up a racquet.... and he hasn't played many five set matches. Lots more to come from Zverev. He's the best youngster out there, is consistently getting better and has so much more to improve on. The prospect is frightening.
 

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Results from the Australian Open Men's Singles Round 3 matches on Saturday

3-Milos Raonic (Canada) beat 25-Gilles Simon (France) 6-2 7-6(5) 3-6 6-3
6-Gael Monfils (France) beat 32-Philipp Kohlschreiber (Germany) 6-3 7-6(1) 6-4
9-Rafa Nadal (Spain) beat 24-Alexander Zverev (Germany) 4-6 6-3 6-7(5) 6-3 6-2
13-Roberto Bautista (Spain) beat 21-David Ferrer (Spain) 7-5 6-7(6) 7-6(3) 6-4
Denis Istomin (Uzbekistan) beat 30-Pablo Carreno (Spain) 6-4 4-6 6-4 4-6 6-2
8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) beat Benoit Paire (France) 6-1 4-6 6-4 6-4
11-David Goffin (Belgium) beat 20-Ivo Karlovic (Croatia) 6-3 6-2 6-4
 

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Good analysis as usual, @masterclass. It really shows a kind of a path for Nadal, but, as I stated above, I think he has a very big task in front of him in Zverev. The fun thing about this AO is that all matches seem so important in we´re not even in the first weekend!

Zverev did a bit better than I thought he would taking 2 sets off Nadal today, but in my opinion the youngster simply needed more experience in majors and situations with top players, which is why I wrote him off a bit. I didn't read too much in his previous best of 3 victories over top 10 players. Best of 5 and majors are a different animal. He played well at times against Nadal, but was just too up and down, and Nadal was good enough today to take control when needed. In the end, it was young Zverev's fitness that was questionable, while Nadal still looked ok. Nadal's fitness looks better in my opinion, but he still needs to improve on return, make up his mind on court positioning, and get better consistency of depth on his ground strokes. Rafa will need all of that against Raonic if they get there...

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Yeah, I don't think it was choking... his mental deficiencies are more to do with concentration and shot selection. One thing I don't think he lacks is self-belief. He's got it.

We've got to remember this pup was in with one of the greatest players ever to pick up a racquet.... and he hasn't played many five set matches. Lots more to come from Zverev. He's the best youngster out there, is consistently getting better and has so much more to improve on. The prospect is frightening.

We tend to use the word "choking" way too liberally anyway, and it's often when a match is close but doesn't go the desired way for us as fans. Mats Wilander, who showered Zverev with praise (and rightfully so) brought up a very good point: Zverev was actually never close to winning the match, as the last two sets ended 6-3 6-2 in Nadal's favor.

Therefore, portraying this as some big missed opportunity that Zverev blew away is disingenuous. You could even argue that as good as he played, he was marginally outplayed for 4 out of 5 sets, as I really think Nadal was the better player in the third set but Zverev's serve ultimately won it.

We need to give these kids a break. Zverev was coming up against a better conditioned, far more experienced opponent who as you said, is one of the best ever. Experience plays a huge part in these matches as little things like navigating the match on a point-to-point basis, making strategic adjustments, playing the big points a certain way, and other subtle factors all influence the result heavily, and that is why the higher rated players will more often than not come out on top in these situations.
 

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It's nearly midnight Melbourne time and Richard Gasquet vs Grigor Dimitrov match has only just started. Quite ridiculous to be playing tennis at that time. What if it's another epic ?
 

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great effort from Manacor's bull, his experience and his willingness made him win, good match from Zverev, a very promising guy, I enjoyed this match
 

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We tend to use the word "choking" way too liberally anyway, and it's often when a match is close but doesn't go the desired way for us as fans. Mats Wilander, who showered Zverev with praise (and rightfully so) brought up a very good point: Zverev was actually never close to winning the match, as the last two sets ended 6-3 6-2 in Nadal's favor.

Therefore, portraying this as some big missed opportunity that Zverev blew away is disingenuous. You could even argue that as good as he played, he was marginally outplayed for 4 out of 5 sets, as I really think Nadal was the better player in the third set but Zverev's serve ultimately won it.

We need to give these kids a break. Zverev was coming up against a better conditioned, far more experienced opponent who as you said, is one of the best ever. Experience plays a huge part in these matches as little things like navigating the match on a point-to-point basis, making strategic adjustments, playing the big points a certain way, and other subtle factors all influence the result heavily, and that is why the higher rated players will more often than not come out on top in these situations.

Yeah, I mentioned Nadal was probably a bit unfortunate to lose the third set at the time... he didn't really do anything wrong. Not sure if you caught the on-court interview with Rafa but he just said he forgot about winning and focused on fighting for each point one at a time. He gutted out some of those tight games in the fifth. Good match and it's an interesting matchup - I hope to see these two sparring again in the future, particularly as Zverev keeps improving. It's also the best I've seen Rafa play for a while.
 
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Yeah, not for the first time , but what a long game and battle of the one handed backhands we're seeing already. This is a match I was looking forward to seeing all day.
 

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Yeah, not for the first time , but what a long game and battle of the one handed backhands we're seeing already. This is a match I was looking forward to seeing all day.

I'll have to watch highlights in the morning... don't think I can keep my eyes open for another few hours.
 

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I can't understand why some people was doing so much deal with this match. I agree that Zeverev could have a good future, at the present he is playing very well and has a good serve but sometimes with too much risk which for a player like Nadal playing well (he didn't have to play his best) can't work so well. I think the next match Rafa will have to play better (he was doing many unforced errors in the first set and also in the third) though I'm glad how his serve is working
 
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