2024 ATP General News

[El Dude]

FAA seems to become relevant during the non GS or master's series tournaments.

Maybe he just identifies more with his French heritage, as he's following in the tradition of other, ahem, great French players.

 

[don_fabio]

Coric against top 10 players is always playing top 10 tennis, but when he meets Zapata Miralles you can bet he's going to lose.

Rune got his ass kicked and decided to retire mid 2nd set. Got booed when leaving the court.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Coric against top 10 players is always playing top 10 tennis, but when he meets Zapata Miralles you can bet he's going to lose.

Rune got his ass kicked and decided to retire mid 2nd set. Got booed when leaving the court.

Just about to type that, anyway Coric was the better player, Rune was making too many ufe in the 1st set,
Coric wins by retirement in the 2nd SF 63 4-1 after Rune withdrew with a sore arm

 

[rafanoy1992]

Holger Rune needs to take a mini-break and just focus on getting physically fit. Yes, he is only 20 years old but he needs to realize that in order for him to take the next step, he needs to work on the hard yards (as Brad Gilbert will say).

I just looked at Rune's schedule: He is schedule to appear at Rotterdam, Los Cabos, and Acapulco. If I were him, I would NOT play any those tournaments and just focusing on getting physically healthier.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Regardless of Rune's injury which forced him to retire, I watched most of his matches this week, and he was playing no where near his best, pushing his shots and making too many UFE, and playing sloppy tennis, I knew Coric would be a test for Rune in the SF, he has yet to drop a set making the final

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Montpellier Final,
Sunday 4th February,
Not before 3pm local time,
A. Bublik (2) vs B.Coric (4)

 

[El Dude]

I'm definitely starting to worry about Rune. At 20, he obviously still has a lot of time and he's as talented as anyone on tour--including Alcaraz and Sinner. But the red flags aren't going away. At the least, his future stock is a bit less than it was at the end of 2022. At that point he looked like he was going to challenge Alcaraz for the future of tennis, now not only has he slipped well behind both Alcaraz but also Sinner too, and the chances that he becomes another Tsitsipas are significantly greater. My take on him:

<5%: Best player of the next ten years, an inner circle ATG ("Samprasian")
15%: Vying with Alcaraz and Sinner for Slams and #1s, a true ATG but not inner circle ("Beckerian")
40% Behind Alcaraz and Sinner, but still elite and at least one Slam, just without the consistency to be a true ATG ("Safin-esque")
30% Tsitsipasville - Top 10 guy, but erratic and overall disappointing
10% Kyrgiostown - a headcase who doesn't come close to fulfilling his potential, but at least provides entertainment for the next decade.

Or something like that. a Year and a half ago I might have said 10/40/25/20/5.

 

[Moxie]

I'm definitely starting to worry about Rune. At 20, he obviously still has a lot of time and he's as talented as anyone on tour--including Alcaraz and Sinner. But the red flags aren't going away. At the least, his future stock is a bit less than it was at the end of 2022. At that point he looked like he was going to challenge Alcaraz for the future of tennis, now not only has he slipped well behind both Alcaraz but also Sinner too, and the chances that he becomes another Tsitsipas are significantly greater. My take on him:

<5%: Best player of the next ten years, an inner circle ATG ("Samprasian")
15%: Vying with Alcaraz and Sinner for Slams and #1s, a true ATG but not inner circle ("Beckerian")
40% Behind Alcaraz and Sinner, but still elite and at least one Slam, just without the consistency to be a true ATG ("Safin-esque")
30% Tsitsipasville - Top 10 guy, but erratic and overall disappointing
10% Kyrgiostown - a headcase who doesn't come close to fulfilling his potential, but at least provides entertainment for the next decade.

Or something like that. a Year and a half ago I might have said 10/40/25/20/5.

I didn't watch any tennis today, but I'm with you on worrying about Rune, a bit. Above assessment is fair, including where you would have put him a while back. While it's too soon to panic, as Gordon Forbes would have said, but he seems to be more rudderless than less. Hard not to think what he could do with a great coach, and great relationship with him, a la Alcaraz/JCF and Sinner/Cahill. There has to be some burden of expectation. But Alcaraz has handled it pretty well, even with some wobbles.

 

[Moxie]

Coric against top 10 players is always playing top 10 tennis, but when he meets Zapata Miralles you can bet he's going to lose.

Rune got his ass kicked and decided to retire mid 2nd set. Got booed when leaving the court.

I was going to mention Coric on the "buy/sell" thread, as to players not mentioned. I know he's had a lot of struggles with injury, which is unfortunate. Some around here with remember a poster Jesuslookslikeborg, who touted him from early on. If he can get beyond injury, he's 27, and still has time to make more of his talents.

 

[rafanoy1992]

Interestingly enough, when Sinner hired Cahill, it was a month before his 21st birthday (July 2022). In addition, Sinner retired from a match at RG.

If Rune wants to take the next step, then the next couple of months will be imperative in terms of finding the correct coach.

 

[tented]

Interestingly enough, when Sinner hired Cahill, it was a month before his 21st birthday (July 2022). In addition, Sinner retired from a match at RG.

If Rune wants to take the next step, then the next couple of months will be imperative in terms of finding the correct coach.

I can’t watch him anymore without wondering if/when his body is going to shut things down, especially by cramping. I used to worry about cramping with Sinner, too, but didn’t think it was a concern in Melbourne. I distinctly remember thinking, Whew! I don’t have to worry about whether or not his body will handle such a long, physical match.

 

[El Dude]

I was going to mention Coric on the "buy/sell" thread, as to players not mentioned. I know he's had a lot of struggles with injury, which is unfortunate. Some around here with remember a poster Jesuslookslikeborg, who touted him from early on. If he can get beyond injury, he's 27, and still has time to make more of his talents.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rune had good results with Patrick M before they parted ways
Honestly he has had good coaches in the past and present, quite frankly I dont think it is a matter of getting another coach
Lets see if Becker can work with Rune this year,
One of Rune's problems is his focus in matches, a coach can only do soo much, at the end of the day it is up to a player, he controls what happens in a tennis match, on court.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I would like to remind people that Jannik has Simone Vagnozzi, who Jannik hired after he cut ties with Riccardo Piatti,.
Piatti built the foundation of Jannik's game from the age of 14.
Simone Vagnozzi has been an important part in the technical development of Sinner, it is not always about Darren Cahill btw.
Having 2 coaches at times can be difficult for players, having 2 voices, Simone and Darren have worked well together and were voted as the Coaches of the Year in 2023

 

[rafanoy1992]

The thing is when you are a young player, you need some type of guidance and/or clarity when entering the court. Yes, ultimately it all comes to the player on what he/she does during the match(es).

In a sense, it reminds me when Murray hired Ivan Lendl in 2012. Murray had all the talent and tools to become a Slam champion. He even had a great team surrounding him (Jez Green, Dani Valverdu and etc…) but he needed THAT one coach to give him some clarity and calmness going into a match. And Lendl was the ideal coach for him to find that missing piece.

Before the wrist injury, Dominic Thiem found Nicolas Massu and Thiem improved tremendously under Massu.

It is why it is important for Rune to find the correct coach to help him these problems. If not, it might be another FAA type of career for Rune.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

The thing is when you are a young player, you need some type of guidance and/or clarity when entering the court. Yes, ultimately it all comes to the player on what he/she does during the match(es).

In a sense, it reminds me when Murray hired Ivan Lendl in 2012. Murray had all the talent and tools to become a Slam champion. He even had a great team surrounding him (Jez Green, Dani Valverdu and etc…) but he needed THAT one coach to give him some clarity and calmness going into a match. And Lendl was the ideal coach for him to find that missing piece.

Before the wrist injury, Dominic Thiem found Nicolas Massu and Thiem improved tremendously under Massu.

It is why it is important for Rune to find the correct coach to help him these problems. If not, it might be another FAA type of career for Rune.

Lets see how Becker and Rune go this year, he has had enough changes of coaches quite frankly, another change of coach I dont think is the answer
At then end of the day it also up to a player, he can have the best coach in the world and the results may not come, it also comes down to 'work ethic' as a player.

 

[Moxie]

Lets see how Becker and Rune go this year, he has had enough changes of coaches quite frankly, another change of coach I dont think is the answer
At then end of the day it also up to a player, he can have the best coach in the world and the results may not come, it also comes down to 'work ethic' as a player.

This is pure instinct, but I don't love the idea of Becker for Rune. I don't see two hot-heads making one cool one. I'll be happy to be wrong, though.

 

[rafanoy1992]

This is pure instinct, but I don't love the idea of Becker for Rune. I don't see two hot-heads making one cool one. I'll be happy to be wrong, though.

Not only that, but Rune’s mom is also in the mix so you have three hot-heads in the team.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

This is pure instinct, but I don't love the idea of Becker for Rune. I don't see two hot-heads making one cool one. I'll be happy to be wrong, though.

Well it was the team of Rune that hired Becker in the first place, also the season of 2024 has just started, I think Rune has had too many changes for a 20 year old player to begin with. Lets give Becker a go first

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Not only that, but Rune’s mom is also in the mix so you have three hot-heads in the team.

Rune is just 20 year's old Rune;s mother is his manager,and her son, of course she wants the best for him, regardless of her being a hot head lol! maybe we know where Rune gets his temper at times from his mum